Re: Monday confessions! :)

[Guest guest]

Hello there

I am in a discouraged mood. I have followed the workouts faithfully and am

hitting the highs aerobically that my body (ie... smokers lungs) can handle

right now. It's not as much as the muscles will allow but when the heart

rate goes over 200 and the breathing is a chore, I figure it's time to back

off. My biggest cheat last week was splitting an order of chicken fingers

with my daughter in the middle of a day of skiing. I had eaten my bar, and

she had those and well I had 2 of them. I have been doing this since 1/1.

My meals are not always on time but fairly close. My discouragement comes in

because when I weight myself which is a few times a week, I am still

waivering between 2 pounds less and 2 pounds more than when I started. The

body fat keep flopping around the same way 2% either way. Any other people

that this is happening with????

Thanks

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Yes it is a Tanita scale that measures BF and weight. I haven't seen any

changes to speak of. The clothes still fit the same, no more energy, just no

changes to speak of. I took more pics over the weekend to compare with the

" befores " and nadda. Perhaps I am hoping for to much, just 3 weeks into

this, I was looking for more changes. That's why I posted this, to see if

anyone else has gone thru this

S

[Guest guest]

Okay, here my confessions. Be ready....

1. Friday I helped cook Eastern Indian cuisine at my Mom's (I think they're

called Samoas which are stuffed with a potato and peas mixture and spiced

ground lamb mixture, and deep fried). I went there ready to eat my BF meal

packed in my lunch bag. BAM. I failed and ate three of each instead. One

meal blown!

2. I am not getting my three 24 oz bottles of AquaFina in every day. Will

keep trying.

3. I haven't written in my Success Journal consistently. Too bad because it

really keeps me focused when I do.

4. Missed getting meal#6 in on 2 days.

5. Missed a cardio on Tuesday.

Okay, I have to close with success otherwise I might feel brought down.

I kicked butte on all of my workouts! Looks like I am gonna have to do

lower body at the gym because my dumbells only go to 35 # and I'm finding

that is not enough for calves. The machine seems to provide a better

workout.

Kelley

Cleveland

[Guest guest]

on 1/20/03 9:54 AM, Teedlepeep@... at Teedlepeep@... wrote:

> My discouragement comes in

> because when I weight myself which is a few times a week, I am still

> waivering between 2 pounds less and 2 pounds more than when I started. The

> body fat keep flopping around the same way 2% either way. Any other people

> that this is happening with????

1) Don't weigh yourself more than once a week.

2) Take measurements of the parts of your body you really want to change,

waist, chest, hips, bicep, thigh. Do that once a week and see if they

change.

How are you measuring BF? Is a BF scale? That's what I use and it can easily

fluctuate 2% in a day. I try to do my official weighing at the same time of

day, first thing in the morning after a pee, every week to get similar

hydration.

3) Give it time. You'll see other changes faster than scale changes. Do you

have more energy? Are your clothes fitting any different? Do you have more

stamina? Can you do stuff you couldn't 2 weeks ago?

--

Ron

" The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make

sense. " - Tom Clancy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/20/2003 3:01:48 PM Central Standard Time,

warmfuzzies@... writes:

> d.) down, depressed feel like I'll never make my goal.

>

> Don't need a " you can do it " .. I dunno what I need.

> Lana

>

>

Sorry, Lana.......but you CAN do it. And I guarantee you'll feel a lot less

depressed once you start! You go, girl!

cynthy

[Guest guest]

Ron,

>How are you measuring BF? Is a BF scale? That's what I use and it can easily

fluctuate 2% in a day.

---Do you use a Tanita?

Thanks,

Bob M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

---I missed the lower body workout last week, went to a Kenney

Chesney/Montgomery Gentry/ Coffey concert with my wife, had Belgian waffle

with strawberries and whipped cream, scrambled eggs and 5 pieces of bacon the

next morning (fortunately it was my free day)......Not hydrating enough with the

water, pretty tough to do - do ya'll drink 10 full glasses a day???

Still trying,

Bob M.

In a message dated 1/20/2003 10:37:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,

fitjen@... writes:

> I had an okay week last week - could have been better. Not enough

> sleep, too much work stress, not eating on schedule often enough, but

> all-in-all I think I did alright considering the life-stress that's

> going on right now. Sometimes you just gotta squeak by and

> do the

> best you can. Okay, now your turn!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/20/2003 4:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

warmfuzzies@... writes:

> Don't need a " you can do it " .. I dunno what I need.

> Lana

>

Bummer. How about a " I hear you " . Maybe you need to have a good old fashion

pity-party and a good cry. I really mean it. Helps get some of that

frustration and hopelessness mobilized.

Email me off-line if you want to. I can offer an objective ear.

Kelley

Cleveland

[Guest guest]

I am in a discouraged mood. The

> body fat keep flopping around the same way 2% either way. Any other

people

> that this is happening with????

> Thanks

> Sue

Sue, I lost over 30#'s during my first 12 week challenge and what you

described happened all the time. I am not in week 3 of challenge 2

and what you describe still happens all the time. Know why? Because

you check every couple of days. Yep, the more often you check, the

more often it will happen. If you check say every two weeks on the

same day, at the same time and under the same conditions, this will

not happen so much.

From day to day based on a huge amount of things you will retain more

water. Also how accurate you are with those bodyfat calipers can

cause fluctuations in the readings. The same margins of error add up

to a lot more in the beginning than in the end. Did your water

consumption drop yesterday? If so then your water retention is up

today. Did something you ate yesterday have more salt in it? If so

your water retention is up. And for the ladies water retention is

more fluctuating than for men, but for the men it is still there.

Ever see those ads that say " lose 6#'s in five days " ? well what you

lose is water, plain and simple.

TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

Not hydrating enough with the water, pretty tough to do - do

ya'll drink 10 full glasses a day???

>

> Still trying,

> Bob M.

Bob, this might help: I divide my gallon into five bottles. I drink

one bottle during workouts and arobics. I drink one bottle during

each of the three main meals rather than drinking anything else. I

drink the fifth bottle through the remainder of the day. Now the

results are that I often end up drinking additional water as a result.

When I started bfl, I drank 1 or 2 glasses a week ... on good weeks.

TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

That's why I posted this, to see if anyone else has gone thru this

> S

Here is something you should look at:

Day 1 Challenge 1 ...

People with fast metabolisms see changes fast during the first four

weeks and then the metabalism begins to slow down, results taper off.

People with slow metabolisms see little change during the first four

weeks and then the metabolism speeds up and they see large changed

during the last four weeks. During the middle four weeks is when you

will probably start seeing change with the biggest changes ahead of

you.

Also remember, every time you check that weight and body fat% and do

not see change you probably run up your stress level and run down the

positive feelings ... this reaction can cause your body to hold onto

fat, slowing the process ... remember the watched pot.

TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

on 1/20/03 10:31 AM, Rmcdonsub1@... at Rmcdonsub1@... wrote:

> ---Do you use a Tanita?

Yep. Hydration makes a huge difference. In reality night is 2-4% less than

morning.

--

Ron

" The true work of art is but a shadow of the divine perfection. "

-Michelangelo

[Guest guest]

Well, let's see. My bottled water bill is now more than my car

payment, so I'm OK there. I seemed to have a few problems last week.

#1 -- I didn't write in my Success Journal until too late at night,

and sometimes I didn't write at all. I still followed the plan

though, so not much lost there.

#2 -- Had to drive my son Friday, right after work (my workout time),

and didn't get back until after midnight. So, I went to bed and did

LBWO on Saturday, and skipped cardio. I know...I know...

#3 -- Saturday's suck. Slept WAY too late (again), then woke up,

read postings, did LBWO, etc. Didn't eat my first meal until nearly

2:00 (again), so I was behind all day! Of course, I hadn't filled

out the Success Jounal the night before. Can I blame that????

Back in line, and going strong today! Best of luck to all!

Bob White

http://members.tripod.com/bflbob/

Okay, now your turn!

>

> Jen B.

[Guest guest]

Janeen (and everyone else who wrote) Thanks. It helps

I started doing the BFL, because I really believed in the principles. Eating

right, exercising and of course, I loved the idea of the free day. There are

a lot of personal stresses going on around me, so perhaps that is helping to

cloud my thinking. But a good friend of mine started Weight Watchers the

same day I started this. She called me this morning to tell me that she was

down 11 pounds. I'm sitting here going " what the * & ^* " , I am eating as I

should, I am working out etc etc and all she is doing is counting points.

I'm either 2 pounds lighter or 2 pounds heavier. Didn't make a ton of sense

to me. Although I do have to say all the exercise, with or without being

able to see results is very very good for the mind. So there is my

motivation for all this right now.

[Guest guest]

Hi TwoWalks,

Good to hear from you! I appreciate your relaying your experience. I'll keep

plugging away at it, gotta change my lifestyle some. My wife, bless her heart,

is doing her best to keep me in line at home. I'll give your method a shot,

thanks.

Bob M.

In a message dated 1/20/2003 12:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spirithorse@... writes:

> Not hydrating enough with the water, pretty tough to do - do

> ya'll drink 10 full glasses a day???

> >

> > Still trying,

> > Bob M.

>

> Bob, this might help: I divide my gallon into five bottles. I drink

> one bottle during workouts and arobics. I drink one bottle during

> each of the three main meals rather than drinking anything else. I

> drink the fifth bottle through the remainder of the day. Now the

> results are that I often end up drinking additional water as a result.

>

> When I started bfl, I drank 1 or 2 glasses a week ... on good weeks.

>

> TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

>Yep. Hydration makes a huge difference. In reality night is 2-4% less than

morning.

---Yes, I got one, measured myself at the beginning of the 12 weeks just before

suppertime - also happened to have gone for my physical that morning, so I could

compare my Tanita scale weight to that of the doctors - it was extremely

close.....I don't plan on getting back on them until the 12 weeks are up, again,

at the same time of day. I think on my second challenge, I'll probably do it

more frequently, that is, if I make it through this first one and have any

measurable change, which, hopefully, I will. This group sure helps!

Bob M.

[Guest guest]

on 1/20/03 3:02 PM, Lana at warmfuzzies@... wrote:

> Well Here's MY mondy confession. It's a biggie.

>

> a.) haven't hardly read this board for weeks. Highlight and delete alot of

> stuff.

> b.) haven't been to the gym in a week.... kinda the point where i could care

> less if I went today or not.

> c.) ate like a cow all last week (did try to get at least whole wheat

> breads, lots of protein, etc.)

> d.) down, depressed feel like I'll never make my goal.

>

> Don't need a " you can do it " .. I dunno what I need.

How about a " bend over so I can kick you in the ass " ? :>

I can say this because my ass is sore from the kicking I needed too. I

worked out for the first time in 2 weeks this morning. I was out of town for

a week on business and didn't do anything, then when I came back I was

totally unmotivated and depressed. Read my blog, its there.

(http://www.reactuate.com/)

Your stick-to-it-ness is one of my inspirations. You've been doing this for

a LONG time. So could you do me a favor and put off giving up for a few

days? BTW: How much total have you lost over the time you've been doing BFL?

Interestingly today BFL success story is Pam Brown, whom I believe was an

inspiration to you at one point.

Seems to be that time of year. I've been dragging through at plateau. My

wife's stuck too and wants to send Bill her Success Journal back with I Quit

on it. Now Lana is dragging too.

--

Ron

" Call for a cop, an ambulance and a pizza, and ask which is likelier to get

to you first. " -- Will

[Guest guest]

Uh-oh, Lana. I won't say it......I'll just think it. Well, maybe I'll say it.

If you don't get back on track, where will you be in 12 weeks or 6 weeks or 2

weeks? You KNOW you are going to get back on track.....why not do it now

instead of later and save yourself a lot of frustration?

Sara

Don't need a " you can do it " .. I dunno what I need.

Lana

[Guest guest]

> Well Here's MY mondy confession. It's a biggie.

> Don't need a " you can do it " .. I dunno what I need.

> Lana

Well how about: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Unless you change a number of things, you will not meet your goals.

Workouts - arobics and nutrition are key and without them ... there

are only good intentions.

Sorry but that is the way it is

TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

My discouragement comes in

> because when I weight myself which is a few times a week, I am

still

> waivering between 2 pounds less and 2 pounds more than when I

started. The

> body fat keep flopping around the same way 2% either way. Any

other people

> that this is happening with????

> Thanks

> Sue

>

Sue -

Don't let this get you down. Seriously - don't hop on that evil

thing more than once a week. And personally, I'm on my 3rd challenge

and I'm all over the place. I changed the batteries on my Tanita -

but it didn't help so I really think it's just water fluctuation. I

was literally down 8% yesterday with my weight going up and I KNOW I

didn't gain 11 pounds of muscle since last week. Hang in there it

will start to show consistency over time.

Janeen

[Guest guest]

> Well, let's see. My bottled water bill is now more than my car

> payment, so I'm OK there. I seemed to have a few problems last

week.

>

I have a tip here for those of you who are frugal! I was going nuts

over the amount of money we were spending on bottled water so... I

went out and bought a PUR filter that attaches to my faucet and a

funnel. I keep my bottles, fill them back up and put them in the

fridge. It's saved me an enormous amount of money!

Janeen

[Guest guest]

She called me this morning to tell me that

she was

> down 11 pounds. I'm sitting here going " what the * & ^* " , I am eating

as I

> should, I am working out etc etc and all she is doing is counting

points.

I have had more than a couple of friends that have done weight

watchers and unless your friend is the exception, you are right, all

she is doing is counting points. If like all I have known, she has

lost maybe four pounds of fat and three pounds of water coupled with

3-4#'s of muscle mass ... when it is over she will probably gain it

back in fat + about 20% in body fat increasing the bodyfat% even if

the weight stays lower. Ask her what her starting bodyfat% was and

what it is now? A far better indicator of overall health instead of

the scale.

TwoWalks

[Guest guest]

> two walks...

>

> I'm not getting into all I've been through with this in the past

year with

> you.. but I'll tell you what, I've been doing crap that *olympia

level*

> bodybuilders do, and yet I've stuck in one spot. So I'm sure you

can

> understand my frustration.

Lana, first one thing I don't like about yahoo is being able to smiley

faces into what we write. My response was more to respond to the

" Don't tell me " . I have admired you and what you have accomplished

for some time. Like I said, If you do not change some things then you

are right you will not meet your goals.

I do understand the frustration of being stuck in one spot while you

work yourself to death. I also know that you have done this long

enough that it is not dedication or desire that is missing. When a

person is stuck for a long time, I usually ask and go over their diet

with them, but in your case I think you have that down good. One thing

missing in BFL for people doing it a long time is calorie variation.

If you think that might be the problem you can email me off line and I

would be honored to work with you too see. If you know that is not

it, then you might also want to get a blood test to make sure that

glucose levels and such are staying high enough.

Any way, I hope you get through this soon and I hope you reach your

goal and then some. I don't like ramming my head into a wall and I

know you don't either.

TwoWalks

spirithorse@...

put: BFL in the subject line

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHHAHA I love it!!!!!!

Sometimes we can out dazzle ourselves with all the thinking about this that we

do...when

it really comes down to it, it is something that you just gotta do, and faking

it when

you don't wanna do it. I remember reading something back in the fall of '95

that I just

loved, it went something like, " blah blah blah blah blah; pick up the weight. "

I've got a tanktop that says, " shut up and train "

Yes there are more effective ways/techniques/programs and less effective ones

(BFL is

among the more effective) but there are also times when nothing is happening,

and while

you are figuring it out, " pick up the weight " . Lana, you've BTDT, used many

different

training routines, both diet and weights, with a very scientific and objective

approach,

at least from where I sit (cheap seats). Some things work, some things

don't...what's

worked? I've got my own mysteries right now...my squat has been in a downhill

slide for

months, ever since I started going deep and strict. It's just barely starting

to level

out and maybe come back up. Now if I could get my bench back up...I'm baffled

there too,

down 20-30 lbs. Go figure.

Hopefully, this will be a nice break, and you'll get back to it...otherwise the

BFL

posse's gonna get headed to MO to do some butt kickin'...

Brett (...and trying out the new tires on the jeep - got any snow?)

Ron wrote:

>

> How about a " bend over so I can kick you in the ass " ? :>

>

[Guest guest]

on 1/20/03 5:40 PM, Lana at warmfuzzies@... wrote:

> Ron...

> Because of what you said, I went to the gym.

> everyone's been saying " don't give up, you can do it " but no one said " get

> off your dead ass and go to the gym " LOL.

> dammit.

>

> Do feel a bit better but still in a raggy mood!

> Lana

Hey you asked for the non-nice answer. Besides isn't ass kicking an HIT

workout?

--

Ron

" The true work of art is but a shadow of the divine perfection. "

-Michelangelo