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Aletha,

The price better not go up! The National Monster Society can find another disease to "help" and get the drug companies to sponsor them. I don't really think that the price will go up

because there is no patent on LDN.

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Dear all,helloon http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_referral.docis a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this questionnaire that I do not understand :

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SOCIÉTÉ NATIONALE DE SCLÉROSE EN PLAQUES DE QUESTIONNAIRE DE RÉFÉRENCE DE MÉDECIN Veuillez expédier ce questionnaire à la société nationale de sclérose en plaques, au chapitre de l'Alabama à la commande de 3840 Ridgeway, au Birmingham, à l'AL 35209 ou au fax (205) 879-8869, attention : Nom De Médecin : (un pour chaque adresse de physician)Office : (si plus d'un, joignent svp la liste de tous les adresses et numbers)Telephone de téléphone : Fax : E-mail : Spécialité Médicale : 1. Êtes-vous intéressé à être sur la liste de référence de la MME. nationale société ? de q No. oui q Si vous répondiez au non, vous pouvez renvoyer cette forme maintenant. Merci infiniment de participer à cette signature de ______________________________(d'aperçu et date) vous pouvez également remplir le questionnaire ainsi nous pouvons finir par vous connaître mieux. 2a. Quel est/sont votre degree(s) professionnel ? q MD q FONT q MD, PhD dans le ____________________ 2b. Veuillez décrire n'importe quelle formation universitaire supérieure vous ont a eu dans la MME. ? ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 3a de __________________. Êtes-vous conseil certifié ? q oui q aucun b. Si pas, êtes-vous conseil éligible ? q oui q aucun c. Quel ?______________________________________________________ De Board(s) 4a. Dans quel state(s) avez-vous un permis de pratiquer la médecine ? ___________________ 4b. Quelles sont vos affiliations d'hôpital ? ___________________________________________________________________ de ______________________________________ 5. La gestion des risques du NMSS exige l'information sur l'assurance contre l'erreur médicale pour toutes les sources potentielles de référence, pour la protection des personnes avec la MME. et le NMSS : Portez-vous au moins $1 l'assurance du méfait million/$3 millions ? q oui q aucun si non sûr, expliquent svp le ________________________________________________ (note : la question #5 ne sera pas incluse dans la base de données publique ni ne veut pas l'information soit donnée dehors.) 6. Nombre approximatif des patients avec la MME. vue annuellement ? _____________________ 7. Approximativement nombre d'heures de CME spécifiquement liées à la MME. dans le bout deux ans ? ______ 8. Veuillez décrire n'importe quelle formation que votre personnel reçoit qui est spécifique au ?___________ de MME. ______________________________________________________________________ accomplissez svp du verso 9. Dans quelle mesure votre bureau est équipé pour adapter à des personnes avec des incapacités ? bureau réglable accessible accessible accessible accessible de la rampe q d'entrée d'aide de stationnement de la table q de salle q d'examen du stationnement q de la salle de bains q du fauteuil roulant q de q (valet) q sur l'ascenseur du rez-de-chaussée q au bureau 10. Acceptez-vous l'assurance suivante ? le qNone de qMedicaid de qMedicare a accepté 11. Prescrivez-vous les médicaments de modification de la maladie approuvés par FDA, si approprié, dans le traitement de la MME. ? (comme Betaseron, Avonex, Copaxone) de q No. oui q 12. Quel rapport décrit mieux votre attitude concernant des thérapies de complementary/alternative ? le qdiscourage elles regard de q à elles sur une base individuelle qStrongly ou favorisent qmoderately une partie qui vous favorise ? _________________________________________________ 13. Quels services votre office/facility fournit-il aux personnes en MME., et quels services vous référez-vous régulièrement à d'autres équipements ? Veuillez vérifier tous les services appropriés. Le service fournissent se réfèrent régulièrement des services sociaux psychosociaux professionnels de travail d'éducation de patient et de famille de la thérapie cognitive Svcs. de la parole de thérapie de diagnostic et de deuxième thérapie physique urologique médicale continue de services de gestion de douleur de gestion de symptôme de gestion d'opinion et de thérapie de langue (l'individ'l ou groupent la consultation) enseignant pour l'enseignement de art de l'auto-portrait-injection pour art de l'auto-portrait-catheterization d'autres services : décrivez le personnel de Bilingual/Multilingual : qYes de qNo (qui langues ?) 14. Avez-vous été impliqué dans des épreuves cliniques de MME. ou toute autre recherche de MME. ? qPreviously, mais pas maintenant qCurrently qNo En signant cet aperçu, je certifie à l'exactitude d'informations fournies et donne la permission à la société nationale de sclérose en plaques de la passer en revue et de distribuer l'information publique ci-dessus, pour le but unique de fournir des références. _________ De Date De __________________________________ de la SIGNATURE du MÉDECIN

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Dear all,hello

on

http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_r

eferral.doc

is a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their

referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot

understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this

questionnaire that I do not understand :

_____________________________________________________

2a. What is/are your professional degree(s)?

? MD

? DO

? MD, PhD in____________________

What is a degree ?

I do not understand the abreviations MD, DO, PhD

_____________________________________________________

2b.Please describe any post-graduate training have you had in MS?

What is a post-graduate degree ?

_____________________________________________________

3a. Are you Board Certified? ? yes ? no

b. If not, are you Board Eligible? ? yes ? no

c. Which Board(s)?

What is a board ?

How to get board eligible ?

______________________________________________________

7. Approx. number of CME hours specifically related to MS in

last two years? ______

CME ??? I do not understand

______________________________________________________

Diagnosis & Second Opinion

I do not understand what it refers to ???

______________________________________________________

Ongoing medical management

I do not understand what it refers to ???

______________________________________________________

Thanks for help

Portez vous bien,

Baptiste

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Hi Baptiste,

The application that you are looking at is for doctors to fill out in order

to be able to be on the National Multiple Sclerosis Society list (which is

a non-profit group that is supposed to help people with Multiple Sclerosis).

They are an organization that has a lot of power in the world of Multiple

Sclerosis and medicine. It is supposed to be very helpful for people with

MS and therefore once someone learns they have MS they usually will turn to

them for help. The doctors that they put on there list would most likely be

the first doctors that most MS patients would turn to. What many people on

this chat site believe is that this non-profit group does not want to

acknowledge LDN as a possible help to people with MS because of 2 reasons.

*One is that there is no money to be made with it from the large pharmacy

companies (there is no patent and no pharmacy can claim the market) and

these large pharmacies are thought to give large donations to this

non-profit organization (NMSS), therefore the organization does not want to

add doctors to their list if they are looking at alternative medicines like

LDN. At least that is the theory. *The second reason that the NMSS would

not like to acknowledge LDN is that it has not had any scientific trials

that could be concrete evidence that it works for MS. Many of us believe

that it does work and much better than the CRAB drugs (which the pharmacies

make great sums of money with, and which the doctors on the NMSS group list

will prescribe). So indirectly this group which is supposed to be helping

MS patients is advocating to them to use these expensive medications that

have terrible side effects and do not help as well as LDN.

Many of us are hoping that there will be clinical trials of LDN soon, so

that it can help as many people with MS as possible. Some of us however are

hoping that LDN does not get recognition from the scientific community as

they worry that the price will go way up once the big pharmacies get

involved.

I hope I have explained the situation to you and what the list is that you

are looking at. If I have misinterpreted anything in this message, I invite

any input from other chatters.

Kind regards

Aletha

[low dose naltrexone] Help for translation please, thanks

>

>

> Dear all,hello

>

> on

> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_r

> eferral.doc

>

> is a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their

> referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot

> understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this

> questionnaire that I do not understand :

> _____________________________________________________

>

> 2a. What is/are your professional degree(s)?

> ? MD

> ? DO

> ? MD, PhD in____________________

>

> What is a degree ?

> I do not understand the abreviations MD, DO, PhD

> _____________________________________________________

>

> 2b.Please describe any post-graduate training have you had in MS?

> What is a post-graduate degree ?

> _____________________________________________________

>

> 3a. Are you Board Certified? ? yes ? no

> b. If not, are you Board Eligible? ? yes ? no

> c. Which Board(s)?

>

> What is a board ?

> How to get board eligible ?

> ______________________________________________________

> 7. Approx. number of CME hours specifically related to MS in

> last two years? ______

>

> CME ??? I do not understand

> ______________________________________________________

> Diagnosis & Second Opinion

> I do not understand what it refers to ???

> ______________________________________________________

> Ongoing medical management

> I do not understand what it refers to ???

> ______________________________________________________

>

> Thanks for help

>

> Portez vous bien,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Aletha and

thanks for that long pharmaco medico gangster precisions.

Then NMSS directs patients to doctors that prescribes expensive

inefficient, dangerous drugs insteadf of cheep and efficient one.

Worl Wide Company !

Merci beaucoup

Jean-Baptiste

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Aletha,

The price better not go up! The National Monster Society can find another disease to "help" and get the drug companies to sponsor them. I don't really think that the price will go up

because there is no patent on LDN.

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I'm going to take a shot at this, and I hope that

what I type in blue comes through that way because there is more than one

question in this email and I want to put my answers below each question

so that there is some reference point to the answers I am attempting to

give.

Date:

Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:11:46 -0000

From: " renaudjba1 " <renaudjba@...>

Subject: Help for translation please, thanks

Dear all,hello

on

http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_r

eferral.doc

is a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their

referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot

understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this

questionnaire that I do not understand :

_____________________________________________________

2a. What is/are your

professional degree(s)?

? MD

? DO

? MD, PhD in____________________

What is a degree ?

A degree is given by a university after a person

has completed a required course of study. Our school systems in this

country are quite different from what I understand of the French school

system. When a French student graduates from high school (from the 12th

grade, or whatever is your last grade of basic education) he or she has

the equivalent of what we would generally consider to be a Bachelor's

degree here, or at least he will have that if he has gone to a certain

type of school. People I have known who have come here from France for

higher education at a university generally enroll in a program for a

Master's or Doctoral degree because their high school education has

covered what our universities cover in their Bachelor's degree programs.

I do not understand the

abreviations MD, DO, PhD

Someone else gave a good definition of what these

degrees mean. I'll just add that a PhD is the highest degree that most

universities give to people. The order is generally a Bachelor's degree,

then sometimes a Master's degree, and finally a PhD, which is also called

a Doctoral degree. A Doctoral degree does not necessarily have anything

to do with medicine. It is just the highest degree on the ladder in any

field other than medicine.

_____________________________________________________

2b.Please describe any post-graduate training have you had in MS?

What is a post-graduate degree ?

Post-graduate degrees are degrees that people

receive when they go on to do further study after they have received a

Bachelor's degree. Most people who go to a university in this country

receive a Bachelor's degree. After getting that degree, most people get a

job that their degree has prepared them for. All medical degrees are

post-graduate degrees, and I think that is what this particular survey

question is asking about. I think that it is asking doctors what specific

training they received after they received their Bachelor's degree and

entered medical school, and how it applies to treating MS

patients.

_____________________________________________________

3a. Are you Board

Certified? ?

yes ? no

b. If not, are you Board

Eligible? ?

yes ? no

c. Which Board(s)?

What is a board ?

A board is a professional organization of sorts

which sets up standards for doctors in various areas. Their are boards in

psychiatry, immunology, neurology, etc.

How to get board eligible

?

By getting a medical degree, and probably further

training in a specialty such as neurology.

______________________________________________________

7. Approx. number of CME

hours specifically related to MS in

last two years? ______

CME ??? I do not understand

CME stands for Continuing Medical Education. I am a

medical laboratory technician/medical technologist, and I have to have a

certain number of hours of continuing medical education every year to

keep my certification to work in medical laboratories. I do not think

that doctors generally have to have continuing medical education to be

able to continue practicing as doctors, but most doctors attend a lot of

conferences and take courses to learn about new developments in their

specific fields, and that is what this question is referring to.

______________________________________________________

Diagnosis & Second

Opinion

I do not understand what it refers to ???

If I recall this questionnaire correctly (I

downloaded it and looked at it), this question is asking whether or not a

particular doctor's practice gives both diagnosis and second opinions to

patients. In other words, do they diagnose patients with MS, and do they

give second opinions to patients who have been diagnosed with MS. Often a

patient who gets some diagnosis will go to another doctor to get a second

opinion, in other words they want a second doctor to evaluate whether or

not the diagnosis they received was the correct one.

______________________________________________________

Ongoing medical management

I do not understand what it refers to ???

I think ongoing medical management is ongoing

treatment of a patient's disease and other conditions which the patient

may also have. In other words, this question is asking whether a doctor

just diagnoses patients and sends them on their way with a prescription,

or whether the doctor follows up with the patients and follows their

progress once they have started treatment.

______________________________________________________

Thanks for help

Portez vous bien,

Baptiste

I hope this all helps a bit. That questionnaire was

a bit confusing to me at times, and it's written in my primary language!

Portez vous bien aussi,

Vali

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> Dear all,hello

>

> on

> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_r

> eferral.doc

>

> is a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their

> referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot

> understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this

> questionnaire that I do not understand :

> _____________________________________________________

>

> 2a. What is/are your professional degree(s)?

> ? MD

> ? DO

> ? MD, PhD in____________________

>

> What is a degree ?

> I do not understand the abreviations MD, DO, PhD

(A degree in this questionaire is a school certificate that tells you how much

education a doctor has obtained.)

> _____________________________________________________

>

> 2b.Please describe any post-graduate training have you had in MS?

> What is a post-graduate degree ?

>

(More schooling. Amount of education.)

_____________________________________________________

>

> 3a. Are you Board Certified? ? yes ? no

> b. If not, are you Board Eligible? ? yes ? no

> c. Which Board(s)?

>

> What is a board ?

> How to get board eligible ?

(Qualification for doctors)

> ______________________________________________________

> 7. Approx. number of CME hours specifically related to MS in

> last two years? ______

>

> CME ??? I do not understand

>

(This would tell how many hours of work a doctor has been involed in for the

treatment of Multiple Sclerosis)

______________________________________________________

> Diagnosis & Second Opinion

> I do not understand what it refers to ???

(Diagnosis also printed at times as DX or Dx'd is refering to the disease a

doctor has said a patient has. Diagnosis=Multiple Sclerosis, Diagnosis=Lupus,

Diagnosis=cancer and so on.)

> ______________________________________________________

> Ongoing medical management

> I do not understand what it refers to ???

(Continued treatment of a disease.)

> ______________________________________________________

>

> Thanks for help

>

> Portez vous bien,

>

> Baptiste

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dear Vali

Very deep thanks for this complete reply.

Will be very helpful for me

Continue à bien te porter, et à prendre bien soin de toi

jean Baptiste

________________________

--- In low dose naltrexone , Vali Tamayo <valip@c...>

wrote:

> I'm going to take a shot at this, and I hope that what I type in

blue comes

> through that way because there is more than one question in this

email and

> I want to put my answers below each question so that there is some

> reference point to the answers I am attempting to give.

>

>

>

> > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:11:46 -0000

> > From: " renaudjba1 " <renaudjba@v...>

> >Subject: Help for translation please, thanks

> >

> >

> >Dear all,hello

> >

> >on

>

>http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/more_content/professionals/phys_

r

> >eferral.doc

> >

> >is a questionnaire the NMSS has the doctor fill for being on their

> >referral list. I'm French and there is many things I cannot

> >understand. Could someone help me ? I only ask for things in this

> >questionnaire that I do not understand :

> >_____________________________________________________

> >

> >2a. What is/are your professional degree(s)?

> >? MD

> >? DO

> >? MD, PhD in____________________

> >

> >What is a degree ?

>

> A degree is given by a university after a person has completed a

required

> course of study. Our school systems in this country are quite

different

> from what I understand of the French school system. When a French

student

> graduates from high school (from the 12th grade, or whatever is

your last

> grade of basic education) he or she has the equivalent of what we

would

> generally consider to be a Bachelor's degree here, or at least he

will have

> that if he has gone to a certain type of school. People I have

known who

> have come here from France for higher education at a university

generally

> enroll in a program for a Master's or Doctoral degree because their

high

> school education has covered what our universities cover in their

> Bachelor's degree programs.

>

>

> >I do not understand the abreviations MD, DO, PhD

>

> Someone else gave a good definition of what these degrees mean.

I'll just

> add that a PhD is the highest degree that most universities give to

people.

> The order is generally a Bachelor's degree, then sometimes a

Master's

> degree, and finally a PhD, which is also called a Doctoral degree.

A

> Doctoral degree does not necessarily have anything to do with

medicine. It

> is just the highest degree on the ladder in any field other than

medicine.

>

>

> >_____________________________________________________

> >

> >2b.Please describe any post-graduate training have you had in MS?

> >What is a post-graduate degree ?

>

> Post-graduate degrees are degrees that people receive when they go

on to do

> further study after they have received a Bachelor's degree. Most

people who

> go to a university in this country receive a Bachelor's degree.

After

> getting that degree, most people get a job that their degree has

prepared

> them for. All medical degrees are post-graduate degrees, and I

think that

> is what this particular survey question is asking about. I think

that it is

> asking doctors what specific training they received after they

received

> their Bachelor's degree and entered medical school, and how it

applies to

> treating MS patients.

>

> >_____________________________________________________

> >

> >3a. Are you Board Certified? ? yes ?

no

> > b. If not, are you Board Eligible? ? yes ?

no

> > c. Which Board(s)?

> >

> >What is a board ?

>

> A board is a professional organization of sorts which sets up

standards for

> doctors in various areas. Their are boards in psychiatry,

immunology,

> neurology, etc.

>

> >How to get board eligible ?

>

> By getting a medical degree, and probably further training in a

specialty

> such as neurology.

>

> >______________________________________________________

> >7. Approx. number of CME hours specifically related to MS in

> >last two years? ______

> >

> >CME ??? I do not understand

>

> CME stands for Continuing Medical Education. I am a medical

laboratory

> technician/medical technologist, and I have to have a certain

number of

> hours of continuing medical education every year to keep my

certification

> to work in medical laboratories. I do not think that doctors

generally have

> to have continuing medical education to be able to continue

practicing as

> doctors, but most doctors attend a lot of conferences and take

courses to

> learn about new developments in their specific fields, and that is

what

> this question is referring to.

>

> >______________________________________________________

> >Diagnosis & Second Opinion

> >I do not understand what it refers to ???

>

> If I recall this questionnaire correctly (I downloaded it and

looked at

> it), this question is asking whether or not a particular doctor's

practice

> gives both diagnosis and second opinions to patients. In other

words, do

> they diagnose patients with MS, and do they give second opinions to

> patients who have been diagnosed with MS. Often a patient who gets

some

> diagnosis will go to another doctor to get a second opinion, in

other words

> they want a second doctor to evaluate whether or not the diagnosis

they

> received was the correct one.

>

> >

> >______________________________________________________

> >Ongoing medical management

> >I do not understand what it refers to ???

>

> I think ongoing medical management is ongoing treatment of a

patient's

> disease and other conditions which the patient may also have. In

other

> words, this question is asking whether a doctor just diagnoses

patients and

> sends them on their way with a prescription, or whether the doctor

follows

> up with the patients and follows their progress once they have

started

> treatment.

>

> >

> >______________________________________________________

> >

> >Thanks for help

> >

> >Portez vous bien,

> >

> >Baptiste

>

> I hope this all helps a bit. That questionnaire was a bit confusing

to me

> at times, and it's written in my primary language!

>

> Portez vous bien aussi,

>

> Vali

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