Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Tests can undertaken to determine the state of your son's gut. Where are you located as someone on list can suggest a practioner for you to go and see. Marina My son 3.4 y.o. is undergoing an assessment for ASD, we will find out the result in a couple of days. Having found out about Biomedical approach in treatment of autism I, as a mother, decided to give it a go. We started a CFGF diet 3 weeks ago and have seen some improvement: such as more communication, better eye contact, more speech. However after a week his condition stalled and he became more tired, often having red cheeks, often babbling away. My husband has been supporting me with CFGF diet at the beginning, but when I started taking some other products out of my son's diet like tomatoes, bananas, soya, etc. he raised a concern and addressed to GP seeking for medical opinion. He is waiting for the referral to a specialist, we don't know what type of doctor (maybe paediatrician or gastroenterologist), what tests my son would need to take and what we need to find out and WHY? My husband's aim is to treat my son's gut because diarrhea persists for more than a week now after having a good stool for several days at the beginning of the diet. He undermines my attempt to treat my son from Candida, which I diagnosed myself by overall symptoms. Should I refrain from self-administering treatment of my son and seek for advice of some other specialist? How would I know what I am doing is not doing any harm for my son?Pease help me understand what can I do to help my son correctly and how to direct my husband to the right way in his will to help his son. Does anyone know a good doctor (and what type of doctor) on NHS or private with Doctor diploma that could help us heal my son's gut and take the right tests. Please advice. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 We are from Bolton area, Lancashire. What tests should be understaken? What are they looking in the tests? And what type of doctor we need? Thanks > > Tests can undertaken to determine the state of your son's gut. Where are > you located as someone on list can suggest a practioner for you to go and > see. Marina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think it's best to ask your husband to read a book written by a DR such as 'changing the course of autism' by Dr Jepson. Also explain (as it does in the book) that mainstream medicine is not up to date with the latest autism treatments and that, if you can afford it, you are better off seeing a specialist dr like Dr Goyal at the Breakspear in Hemel Hempstead. Also attend the Treating Autism conference in London on June 18th and 19th or try to make it to one of the DAN! or Autism one conferences in the states. Sara x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 If you go to the treating autism website you will find a list of practitioners across the UK. Most will carry out a stool and urine test, further you can do a Genova blood test and also a hair element test. Marina We are from Bolton area, Lancashire. What tests should be understaken? What are they looking in the tests? And what type of doctor we need?Thanks >> Tests can undertaken to determine the state of your son's gut. Where are > you located as someone on list can suggest a practioner for you to go and> see. Marina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I wouold suggest perhaps consider asking for a referral to an NHS dietician for advice in implementing a gluten- and dairy- free diet. Then everyone is likely to relax and know that you are being reasonable (in their terms), following medical advice, etc and it's less likely you will have any opposition to your trying the diet. In the mean time I would suggest just concentrating on doing GFCF and not taking anything else out of the diet. It's important with GFCF not to replace those foods with lots of refined carbs and sugar. I don't know how hold your child is but you need to look into their required calcium needs and make sure that they are getting enough. Some people supplement calcium. At least one study has shown that children on a GFCF diet tend to have weaker bones, so that is a reason for being careful about giving your child enough dietary calcium - and to be able to show that your are doing this. Margaret > > My son 3.4 y.o. is undergoing an assessment for ASD, we will find out the result in a couple of days. Having found out about Biomedical approach in treatment of autism I, as a mother, decided to give it a go. We started a CFGF diet 3 weeks ago and have seen some improvement: such as more communication, better eye contact, more speech. However after a week his condition stalled and he became more tired, often having red cheeks, often babbling away. > My husband has been supporting me with CFGF diet at the beginning, but when I started taking some other products out of my son's diet like tomatoes, bananas, soya, etc. he raised a concern and addressed to GP seeking for medical opinion. He is waiting for the referral to a specialist, we don't know what type of doctor (maybe paediatrician or gastroenterologist), what tests my son would need to take and what we need to find out and WHY? > My husband's aim is to treat my son's gut because diarrhea persists for more than a week now after having a good stool for several days at the beginning of the diet. He undermines my attempt to treat my son from Candida, which I diagnosed myself by overall symptoms. > Should I refrain from self-administering treatment of my son and seek for advice of some other specialist? How would I know what I am doing is not doing any harm for my son? > Pease help me understand what can I do to help my son correctly and how to direct my husband to the right way in his will to help his son. Does anyone know a good doctor (and what type of doctor) on NHS or private with Doctor diploma that could help us heal my son's gut and take the right tests. Please advice. > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Thank you Margaret! I see you understand our situation quite well. My husband is the worst sceptic ever and no book (which he refuses to read) or any other opinion will convince him apart from the word of the specialist. My husband is arranging an appointment to a private doctor and HALLILUJA, that is a dietician. We will go privately shortly as soon as he sorts out with insurance company and GP referral. Will dietician suggest undergoing the test on gluten and casein tolerance? I heard in this case you have to fill your child with as much as gluten and casein the day before testing. Brrrr..... that sounds scary to me as we are not having it for more than 3 weeks now. Yes, we still have some problems with the diet, and did not rotate anything properly to find out his allergies yet, but I took out soya just in case and reduced the amount of fructose and fruits he is taking (1 pear, or 2 plums or 1 kiwi and 1 plum a day), which made him at some point very tired and weak. So I am not sure if I should cut out fructose from his diet at all or give him just small amounts, and how much. Calcium: that is the reason why my husband urged to investigating my interference in my son's diet (he is 3 years and 4 month old now). We drinking GFCF milk with no Calcium in it (I bought Almond Milk from H & B plus we try Kallo Low fat Rice milk). Do we need to switch to the Milk with Calcium? I am not sure about what substitute for the milk is the best at the moment, could you please advise me on that??? Do we also need to take Calcium in the supplement? But if my son cannot digest anything at the moment (He's got yellow acid-smelly diarhea for 2 weeks now after the beginning of the diet. I think it could be because of GSE and fish oil (the latter my husband insisted on giving to my son) he won't be able to digest calcium as well. And you are right, I don't know what amount of calcium I need to give to my son. We need to go and see the dietician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I hope you get an NHS dietician who is supportive. I think the way to go is maybe to say to them you want to try the GFCF diet as there is some evidence it helps some chidlren with autisn, but you are aware that you need to make sure your child gets all the nutrients they need, The dietician will be able to advise you re how much calcium to supplement. Now, it's not at all straightforward. Some parents on this list report that their children react badly to calcium supplements, but others don't report this as a problem. So you may need to try various brands and types - I am sure there are people on this list who can sy what they are using. Obviously you won't be wanting to go down the route of replacing milk with soya, even though there are readily-available soya products with added calcium. It's important to go slowly and in a systematic manner, as otherwise if things improve or get worse you won't have any chance of working out the cause. It can't be guaranteed that the NHS dietician will be helpful, but we haven't had any problems. Professionals have their pride and some of them really resent it when you try to take charge - so try asking for their help, while saying what it is you would like to be considered. It's important to try and keep them on side as far as possible; that said quite a few of us here have had unpleasnat disagreements with one of more of them. Margaret PS: I can't recommend any particular replacement for milk. We used to used Rice Dream with calcium, but then it was found not to be 100% gluten-free (some barley enzymes), then rice milk was found to contain some arsenic, because rice itself contains arsenic. It's hard to know how signifiacnt this is - it would depend on how high the level was and also how much you were drinking - but it has been reported that Basmati rice has the lowest level. There are nut milks but I've never used them - and some people are allergic to nuts, of course. At some stage you may want to try sheep's milk and then goat's milk. > > Thank you Margaret! > I see you understand our situation quite well. My husband is the worst sceptic ever and no book (which he refuses to read) or any other opinion will convince him apart from the word of the specialist. > My husband is arranging an appointment to a private doctor and HALLILUJA, that is a dietician. We will go privately shortly as soon as he sorts out with insurance company and GP referral. Will dietician suggest undergoing the test on gluten and casein tolerance? I heard in this case you have to fill your child with as much as gluten and casein the day before testing. Brrrr..... that sounds scary to me as we are not having it for more than 3 weeks now. Yes, we still have some problems with the diet, and did not rotate anything properly to find out his allergies yet, but I took out soya just in case and reduced the amount of fructose and fruits he is taking (1 pear, or 2 plums or 1 kiwi and 1 plum a day), which made him at some point very tired and weak. So I am not sure if I should cut out fructose from his diet at all or give him just small amounts, and how much. > Calcium: that is the reason why my husband urged to investigating my interference in my son's diet (he is 3 years and 4 month old now). We drinking GFCF milk with no Calcium in it (I bought Almond Milk from H & B plus we try Kallo Low fat Rice milk). Do we need to switch to the Milk with Calcium? > > I am not sure about what substitute for the milk is the best at the moment, could you please advise me on that??? > > Do we also need to take Calcium in the supplement? But if my son cannot digest anything at the moment (He's got yellow acid-smelly diarhea for 2 weeks now after the beginning of the diet. I think it could be because of GSE and fish oil (the latter my husband insisted on giving to my son) he won't be able to digest calcium as well. And you are right, I don't know what amount of calcium I need to give to my son. We need to go and see the dietician. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 PS - I haven't adressed anything to do with your son's gut issues - obviously he needs help with these quite separately to anything to do with the GFCF diet. Also GSE is very strong stuff - suggest stopping it. Margaret > > > > Thank you Margaret! > > I see you understand our situation quite well. My husband is the worst sceptic ever and no book (which he refuses to read) or any other opinion will convince him apart from the word of the specialist. > > My husband is arranging an appointment to a private doctor and HALLILUJA, that is a dietician. We will go privately shortly as soon as he sorts out with insurance company and GP referral. Will dietician suggest undergoing the test on gluten and casein tolerance? I heard in this case you have to fill your child with as much as gluten and casein the day before testing. Brrrr..... that sounds scary to me as we are not having it for more than 3 weeks now. Yes, we still have some problems with the diet, and did not rotate anything properly to find out his allergies yet, but I took out soya just in case and reduced the amount of fructose and fruits he is taking (1 pear, or 2 plums or 1 kiwi and 1 plum a day), which made him at some point very tired and weak. So I am not sure if I should cut out fructose from his diet at all or give him just small amounts, and how much. > > Calcium: that is the reason why my husband urged to investigating my interference in my son's diet (he is 3 years and 4 month old now). We drinking GFCF milk with no Calcium in it (I bought Almond Milk from H & B plus we try Kallo Low fat Rice milk). Do we need to switch to the Milk with Calcium? > > > > I am not sure about what substitute for the milk is the best at the moment, could you please advise me on that??? > > > > Do we also need to take Calcium in the supplement? But if my son cannot digest anything at the moment (He's got yellow acid-smelly diarhea for 2 weeks now after the beginning of the diet. I think it could be because of GSE and fish oil (the latter my husband insisted on giving to my son) he won't be able to digest calcium as well. And you are right, I don't know what amount of calcium I need to give to my son. We need to go and see the dietician. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi I would recommend that you see Dr Natasha McBride. She's a fully qualified medical doctor with additional degrees in Neurology and Human Nutrition. She runs a clinic near Cambridge. She's written a brilliant book supporting SCD (like GFCF but more extreme) which she calls GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet. She has a new website here http://www.doctor-natasha.com/index.php and lots of info about her diet here http://www.gaps.me/ This is her email address: medinform@... She's extremely convincing, she's a doctor and she has a lot of science to back it up. I would be very surprised if she didn't convince your husband to try the diet. She's also speaking at the Weston A Price Foundation Conference on 26 March in London. http://www.westonaprice.org/index.php?option=com_content & & Itemid=340 & & catid=130 & \ & id=1806 & & lang=en & & view=article She was the first one I saw when we were starting out and my kids have been on her diet now for almost four years. I have heard of a few children who did not benefit from a restricted diet but I think the overwhelming majority do. Dr Natasha does not like to do testing however, so I would look at the Treating Autism website for DAN practitioners to help you with this. Best wishes > > My son 3.4 y.o. is undergoing an assessment for ASD, we will find out the result in a couple of days. Having found out about Biomedical approach in treatment of autism I, as a mother, decided to give it a go. We started a CFGF diet 3 weeks ago and have seen some improvement: such as more communication, better eye contact, more speech. However after a week his condition stalled and he became more tired, often having red cheeks, often babbling away. > My husband has been supporting me with CFGF diet at the beginning, but when I started taking some other products out of my son's diet like tomatoes, bananas, soya, etc. he raised a concern and addressed to GP seeking for medical opinion. He is waiting for the referral to a specialist, we don't know what type of doctor (maybe paediatrician or gastroenterologist), what tests my son would need to take and what we need to find out and WHY? > My husband's aim is to treat my son's gut because diarrhea persists for more than a week now after having a good stool for several days at the beginning of the diet. He undermines my attempt to treat my son from Candida, which I diagnosed myself by overall symptoms. > Should I refrain from self-administering treatment of my son and seek for advice of some other specialist? How would I know what I am doing is not doing any harm for my son? > Pease help me understand what can I do to help my son correctly and how to direct my husband to the right way in his will to help his son. Does anyone know a good doctor (and what type of doctor) on NHS or private with Doctor diploma that could help us heal my son's gut and take the right tests. Please advice. > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi Margaret! You gave me a valuable advice on how to explain the situation to the doctor, thanks. You were right, after speaking to my friend dietician(I didn't know she was) I found out that dietician does not do any medical tests and just advice on how much supplements to take, which is very important as well but gastroenterologist is the one who is dealing with testing, so we will try to get referral to him first. So you are right, we will treat these issues separately. GSE we stopped a week ago, I was not happy with it at the moment. I am not sure if we are allergic to nuts, I hope not. What about your son or daughter? Does him/her drink any substitute of milk? Do you make it yourself? I did not know that cheep's and goat's milk is allowed for autistic children at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi Sara! I hope it will help. I have downloaded the book for him to read. I will send it to him, I will pray he reads it. I keep telling him all the time. Thanks. > > I think it's best to ask your husband to read a book written by a DR > such as 'changing the course of autism' by Dr Jepson. Also explain > (as it does in the book) that mainstream medicine is not up to date with > the latest autism treatments and that, if you can afford it, you are > better off seeing a specialist dr like Dr Goyal at the Breakspear in > Hemel Hempstead. > Also attend the Treating Autism conference in London on June 18th and > 19th or try to make it to one of the DAN! or Autism one conferences in > the states. > Sara x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 you could also check out the yahoo group called www.recoveryfromautism@... they got all kinds great info on that site To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 3:20:55 PMSubject: Re: What type of doctor, What tests? Husband's not supportive. Hi I would recommend that you see Dr Natasha McBride. She's a fully qualified medical doctor with additional degrees in Neurology and Human Nutrition. She runs a clinic near Cambridge. She's written a brilliant book supporting SCD (like GFCF but more extreme) which she calls GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet. She has a new website herehttp://www.doctor-natasha.com/index.phpand lots of info about her diet herehttp://www.gaps.me/This is her email address:medinform@...She's extremely convincing, she's a doctor and she has a lot of science to back it up. I would be very surprised if she didn't convince your husband to try the diet. She's also speaking at the Weston A Price Foundation Conference on 26 March in London.http://www.westonaprice.org/index.php?option=com_content & & Itemid=340 & & catid=130 & & id=1806 & & lang=en & & view=articleShe was the first one I saw when we were starting out and my kids have been on her diet now for almost four years. I have heard of a few children who did not benefit from a restricted diet but I think the overwhelming majority do.Dr Natasha does not like to do testing however, so I would look at the Treating Autism website for DAN practitioners to help you with this.Best wishes>> My son 3.4 y.o. is undergoing an assessment for ASD, we will find out the result in a couple of days. Having found out about Biomedical approach in treatment of autism I, as a mother, decided to give it a go. We started a CFGF diet 3 weeks ago and have seen some improvement: such as more communication, better eye contact, more speech. However after a week his condition stalled and he became more tired, often having red cheeks, often babbling away. > My husband has been supporting me with CFGF diet at the beginning, but when I started taking some other products out of my son's diet like tomatoes, bananas, soya, etc. he raised a concern and addressed to GP seeking for medical opinion. He is waiting for the referral to a specialist, we don't know what type of doctor (maybe paediatrician or gastroenterologist), what tests my son would need to take and what we need to find out and WHY? > My husband's aim is to treat my son's gut because diarrhea persists for more than a week now after having a good stool for several days at the beginning of the diet. He undermines my attempt to treat my son from Candida, which I diagnosed myself by overall symptoms.> Should I refrain from self-administering treatment of my son and seek for advice of some other specialist? How would I know what I am doing is not doing any harm for my son?> Pease help me understand what can I do to help my son correctly and how to direct my husband to the right way in his will to help his son. Does anyone know a good doctor (and what type of doctor) on NHS or private with Doctor diploma that could help us heal my son's gut and take the right tests. Please advice.> Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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