Re: Potty Training --- HELP!!!

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Hi,We were at our wits end too however my son just turned ten and we have only finally been successful at potty training.The one thing that has worked for us is timer training. We literally got a kitchen timer and started setting it at 10 mins, 12 min, 15, 20, 25, 30. We took him potty every time it rang. He was unhappy with it until we stretched it out to about 20 minutes and then he was very compliant but we had to start somewhere. We did not go longer than 30 because at 30 he began going independently for some reason. We gave him his food reinforcers for going independently but not when he went at the times the timer went off. If he went independently before the timer went off we just reset the timer back to 30 mins. He has been accident free at school, he's riding the bus home with no accidents and

has been accident free at home for over 2 weeks!Not exactly sure how it worked but it did work for us.JenniSubject: Potty Training --- HELP!!!To: melody@...Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 6:00 PMThis email is going far and wide because I really REALLY need any and all advice I can get at this point., my 4 yr old, HFA, is refusing to use the potty. It isn't regression as we have never gotten him to potty train period. We've been at this since he was 18 mos old. (He was successful a few times at that age so it wasn't too early.) He's successfully pee'd on the potty at school several

times at this point and holding it all other times.We are getting in-home training help from the school and they're stumped too. We've tried potty parties.. Potty training without tears.. Potty training in a Day.. Wayman Center's potty training method.. First-Then strategies.. Tripping Schedules.. Presents for when he's successful.. Sticker charts for completing the process even if he didn't pee.. Food reinforcers.. Turning the water on. Leaving him for a short time.. leaving him on the potty for a long time.. Leaving the room so he's not pressured.. Staying in the room so he is pressured.. Staying in so he's relaxed.. Giving him things to do while he's on the potty...At this point, we do not know what else to do. Nothing has worked. He's aware that he's about to go because he's spontaneously went without telling anyone once so he could get a corndog! He's only eliminating 4 times a day. Once

around 9-10.. Again at 2-3.. Again from 5-8.. then bedwetting. I don't care about the bedwetting as we're doing goodnights and at this point I just want him to go potty.So please, someone, tell me something I haven't tried.. Something that will make him go when he's on the potty. And thanks for any suggestions that do come our way. Feel free to email me privately if you would like.Melody------------------------------------Texas Autism Advocacywww.TexasAutismAdvocacy.orgTexas Disability Network Calendar of Eventswww.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

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My boys were also very challenging and different in their potty success.

When Tyler was in Pre K in NJ his teacher told us he was ready around 3 yrs old, but we had to follow the same routine at home as at school. She wanted to make sure we were ready. Similar to the experience another parent posted, we took him to the potty every 30 minutes. However, the big difference was we went cold turkey to underwear. If he was successful on the potty he got a treat. If he wasn't - nothing. If he had an accident, we raced him into the bathroom to finish his business, saying "pee pee on the potty not in the floor". Then we pulled the wet underpants back on and took him to clean up the puddle with paper towels and told him is a neutral voice - "pee pee on the potty not in the floor". Of course we didn't do this if his underpants were soiled with #2 but used the phrase "poopy in the potty not on the floor". It only took 2 weeks to for him to be

successful going on the potty at some of the 30 minute intervals - which were stretched longer as he was successful - and one more week for him to begin requesting to go to the potty. Tyler has autism.

My younger son - who has ADD - was harder. He is my little space cadet and he just didn't get what was going on down there. Like you, we tried just about everything. This same method did not work for him. I truly cannot remember how we accomplished it, but he wasn't potty trained until he was 4 or 4 1/2. He needed to be more self aware of his bodily functions before he was developmentally ready.

If you see a pattern with his schedule, I would try going cold turkey into underwear and diligently bring him to the potty at 8:50 am, etc and wait for it to happen. I would reward him any time he is successful on the potty. I probably wouldn't wait until 2 pm to take him back to the potty, but try at regular intervals just in case.

Maggie

To: melody@...Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:00:25 PMSubject: Potty Training --- HELP!!!

This email is going far and wide because I really REALLY need any and all advice I can get at this point., my 4 yr old, HFA, is refusing to use the potty. It isn't regression as we have never gotten him to potty train period. We've been at this since he was 18 mos old. (He was successful a few times at that age so it wasn't too early.) He's successfully pee'd on the potty at school several times at this point and holding it all other times.We are getting in-home training help from the school and they're stumped too. We've tried potty parties.. Potty training without tears.. Potty training in a Day.. Wayman Center's potty training method.. First-Then strategies.. Tripping Schedules.. Presents for when he's successful.. Sticker charts for completing the process even if he didn't pee.. Food reinforcers. . Turning the water on. Leaving him for a short time.. leaving him on the potty for a

long time.. Leaving the room so he's not pressured.. Staying in the room so he is pressured.. Staying in so he's relaxed.. Giving him things to do while he's on the potty...At this point, we do not know what else to do. Nothing has worked. He's aware that he's about to go because he's spontaneously went without telling anyone once so he could get a corndog! He's only eliminating 4 times a day. Once around 9-10.. Again at 2-3.. Again from 5-8.. then bedwetting. I don't care about the bedwetting as we're doing goodnights and at this point I just want him to go potty.So please, someone, tell me something I haven't tried.. Something that will make him go when he's on the potty. And thanks for any suggestions that do come our way. Feel free to email me privately if you would like.Melody

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I guess I forgot to mention that he's cold turkey underwear right now.

The thing is, he'll hold it if we put him on the potty til he goes. We

sat in the bathroom with his SLP from school (who is doing our in home

training as well) for an hour and a half.

She left, we pulled out the timer and set it for 15 minutes. He sat on

the potty for about 5-10 minutes.. Didn't go, so let him get back up.

Set for another 15 min.. At 13 min he wet his pants.. And not just any

pants but his favorite Galaxy PJ pants. He was upset that he was

wet.. but he had stubbornly held it for those 100 minutes before that.

We put on a big production for when he does go. He gets cupcakes and

party hats and gets to blow out a candle and make a wish.. Noise makers

(he's a sensory kid and seeks that kind of stuff). We go all out and he

LOVES it. But nothing has sustained him.

I keep forgetting that down here it's not called a tripping schedule.

But the 15 (or 20 or 30) minute intervals and making him go sit is what

I mean by a tripping schedule. We've tried it several times in

variation. Including a really intensive ABA style where if he wet

himself he had to go back and forth to the potty 5 times consecutively.

And then set the clock for 20 minutes again. And he was to sit on the

potty for 15 min intervals. We did that for 2 weeks and he thought it

was so funny. He even had to clean up the mess, clean himself.. It was

horrible and after those 2 weeks of him just laughing as we went to the

potty, I gave up on that method. It was complete torture.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go that long.. But I'm sure you can tell I'm at

my wits end. He's supposed to be 5 in April, and is a doll in every

other area. Everyone loves him and he's just a delightful, happy boy,

except when it comes to the potty.

Thanks for all the advice. We will keep at it. Maybe just keeping him

on the potty for hours at those times will work.

Melody

 

My boys were also very challenging and different in their potty

success.

 

When Tyler was in Pre K in NJ his teacher told us he was ready

around 3 yrs old, but we had to follow the same routine at home as at

school.  She wanted to make sure we were ready.  Similar to the

experience another parent posted, we took him to the potty every 30

minutes.  However, the big difference was we went cold turkey to

underwear. If he was successful on the potty he got a treat.  If he

wasn't - nothing.  If he had an accident, we raced him into the

bathroom to finish his business, saying "pee pee on the potty not in

the floor".  Then we pulled the wet underpants back on and took him

to clean up the puddle with paper towels and told him is a neutral

voice - "pee pee on the potty not in the floor".  Of course we didn't

do this if his underpants were soiled with #2 but used the phrase

"poopy in the potty not on the floor".  It only took 2 weeks to for him

to be successful going on the potty at some of the 30 minute intervals

- which were stretched longer as he was successful - and one more week

for him to begin requesting to go to the potty.  Tyler has autism.

My younger son - who has ADD - was harder.  He is my little space cadet

and he just didn't get what was going on down there.  Like you, we

tried just about everything.  This same method did not work for him.  I

truly cannot remember how we accomplished it, but he wasn't potty

trained until he was 4 or 4 1/2.  He needed to be more self aware of

his bodily functions before he was developmentally ready. 

 

If you see a pattern with his schedule, I would try going cold

turkey into underwear and diligently bring him to the potty at 8:50 am,

etc and wait for it to happen.  I would reward him any time he is

successful on the potty.  I probably wouldn't wait until 2 pm to take

him back to the potty, but try at regular intervals just in case.

Maggie

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Melody Latimer <melodyasparenting>

To: melodyasparenting

Sent: Thu, January 14,

2010 8:00:25 PM

Subject:

Potty Training --- HELP!!!

 

This email is going far and wide because I really REALLY need any

and

all advice I can get at this point.

, my 4 yr old, HFA, is refusing to use the potty. It isn't

regression as we have never gotten him to potty train period. We've

been

at this since he was 18 mos old. (He was successful a few times at that

age so it wasn't too early.) He's successfully pee'd on the potty at

school several times at this point and holding it all other times.

We are getting in-home training help from the school and they're

stumped

too. We've tried potty parties.. Potty training without tears.. Potty

training in a Day.. Wayman Center's potty training method.. First-Then

strategies.. Tripping Schedules.. Presents for when he's successful..

Sticker charts for completing the process even if he didn't pee.. Food

reinforcers. . Turning the water on. Leaving him for a short time..

leaving him on the potty for a long time.. Leaving the room so he's not

pressured.. Staying in the room so he is pressured.. Staying in so he's

relaxed.. Giving him things to do while he's on the potty...

At this point, we do not know what else to do. Nothing has worked. He's

aware that he's about to go because he's spontaneously went without

telling anyone once so he could get a corndog! He's only eliminating 4

times a day. Once around 9-10.. Again at 2-3.. Again from 5-8.. then

bedwetting. I don't care about the bedwetting as we're doing goodnights

and at this point I just want him to go potty.

So please, someone, tell me something I haven't tried.. Something that

will make him go when he's on the potty. And thanks for any suggestions

that do come our way. Feel free to email me privately if you would like.

Melody

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Melody:Our son who doctors said would never be potty trained was potty trained in three days using Batts' method.  She gives seminars on the method sometimes int he Dallas area.  She is the director of Focus on the Future Training Center in Plano.

She wrote a book called, " The Road to Independence. " In it she outlines this method.  You have to set aside three days that you will devote solely to potty training.  You must have a partner so you guys can take turns with the bathroom duty. 

First you prepare what you will need:We did photographs of our son going through each tiny step of the potty process.  We put a narrative sentence under each photograph.Pic one:  I go into the bathroom

2:  I pull down my pants3.  I go pee or poo in the potty.4: I pull my pants up.5.  I wash my hands with soap and water.6. I dry my hands.7.  Then I pick a prize from the prize basket!If you expect him to stand to pee, then you need to put foot print sticker on the floor to show him where to place his feet.  We just let Ethan sit and the standing cam naturally to him later ( we live on a farm so I had him with me in the barn and I'd say, " Just go pee in the stall. " )  Then we graduated to aiming at these little biodegradable things you can put in the toilet for him to aim at while standing.

The last picture is of our family together hugging our son.  The capture read:  " Mommy and Daddy are so proud of me because I know how to pee and poo in the potty! " There was also a pre picture that said, " I am a big boy now and I am going to pee and poo in the potty. "

You can break the steps down how you deem appropriate.Before day one, decorate the bathroom with anything you can think of that your son likes.  We decorated with lots of helium balloons, blues clues stickers, Dora posters etc...

Have a prize basket with party favors he likes or whatever works for him.  Our son liked yo-yos, match box cars, colors, markers, safe putty or clay, stickers, etc...Down load some pecs pictures of the steps to going to the bathroom.  We found these in black and white diagrams.  Make a steps strip and tape it at the eye level of your child somewhere in the bathroom where he can see it.

Make a bathroom chart so that you can chart whether he pees, poos, does nothing or does everything.  EVERY hour, read through the photograph story so he can see himself doing the steps.  Point out the pecs strip.  Let him know if he does pee or poo in the potty he gets a prize. 

You must take him to the bathroom EVERY hour that he is awake.  Once you start, take away the pull-ups or diapers.  During the three days, only put a pull up on him AFTER he has gone to sleep.Make a BIG DEAL about it all.  It is a celebration, a right of passage.  If he did anything in the potty, we acted like the best thing in the world had just occurred.

Our son was completely potty trained in three days with this method.  We put a pull-up on hm at night the first week after --after he had gone to sleep.  He never set the pull-up during the night. He did have two accidents at school, but I'm thinking someone wasn't paying attention to the bathroom schedule.  he never again had an accident at home unless he was on a medication that gave him diarrhea.

I hope this helps.Haven