Re: Help convince a skeptic

July 8, 2011

Hi,

There is no easy way to convince a skeptic. All you can do is show them the

evidence, point out the problems with conventional therapy and let them come to

their own conclusions.

You will find a lot of useful material for this in the Cancer section of the

Rife Forum.

http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23

This includes the following articles:

- Introduction to Alternative Cancer Treatments

- How Effective is Chemotherapy?

- How Effective is Radiotherapy?

- How scientific are orthodox cancer treatments?

I can also strongly recommend Nenah's Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy, which

is full of useful info, too.

http://www.nenahsylver.com/rife_handbook_2009_description.html

It's a big book so you might prefer to start with her online video instead as

that has a lot of interesting material:

http://www.nenahsylver.com/video_crash_course_in_frequency_therapy.html

That should get you started.

Regards

Moderator

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> Six months ago my brother Don had one of his kidneys removed because it was

home to a very large cancer tumor. Following the surgery they didn't put him

on any treatment, they just sent him home. Last week he went back for a six

month check-up and they found that he now has cancer in both lungs. He has

never been a smoker. He has an appointment with the oncologist this coming

Monday to discuss his options. He knows very little about alternative cancer

treatments and is very skeptical. I have showed him the list of stage4 alt

treatments on the " cancer tutor " web site and he's not impressed. He says that

if these protocols were truly effective the sponsors would be proudly displaying

their documented success statistics. He believes that the lack of such

evidence is an indication that the protocols are more scam than reality. Can

anyone help me convince him that the protocols are real? Are there documented

success statistics available? Don told me that he plans to discuss the list of

alt treatments with his oncologist when he sees him to determine if any are

worthy of attention. I've tried to tell him he is not likely to get an

informed and unbiased evaluation from his VA cancer doctor. I expect they will

recommend that he start radiation and chemo immediately. I know this path is a

death sentence. Can anyone help me?

>

July 8, 2011

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July 9, 2011

Dear emyl64,

In general, the RIFE group is not such structured to keep statistical analysis on who dies and who lives if your use RIFE to fight disease.

Between 1995 to 1998 a friend and I made hundreds of Hulda Zappers. The Uniting Church bought about 110 of these zappers from us and sent them to a town in Australia called Coffs Harbour which had the highest incidence of leukemia in the world, due to agriculture pesticides leaking into the town water supply. Children were being born with leukemia, cancers and physical malformations.

By the end of 1998, we had reports from the church that 50 of these 110 people were classified by the local hospital and doctors as in remission. No detectable cancers in their body.

We had around 20 confirmed deaths, and the remainder of the people we just didn't know or hear from them. Many had moved out of Coffs Harbour because of the drinking water problem.

From what data we could access, we estimated 50% of people using zappers in that town were cured of their cancers and in remission. Now this is just the 9 volt 30kHz zapper, not the sophisticated RIFE machines of modern day which would enjoy a much higher success rate. Taking into account other nutritional therapies these people may have been on was not considered in the data, we just didn't have the information. Also, the placebo aspect of the church giving its sick followers a frequency therapy tool would account for a large remission rate too.

We prepared a report and sent it to the TGA seeking registration of the Hulda Zapper, the equivalent of your FDA in America. We promptly received a letter from the TGA to cease all manufacturing and distribution of the zappers, or we would be prosecuted very aggressively by the Australian Federal Government and we would be looking at jail time.

Numerous other vendors of zappers and RIFE machines in Australia did end up in jail and lost their homes and families.

America, Canada, UK, Australia, and other Empire countries suffer from the same rules and policing. Not a very healthy environment to gather statistical data when you risk going to jail for doing so.

Geoff Baker, an Australian is the only person I know in modern times to do a double blind placebo pilot study using frequency therapy on arthritis. It cost him many millions of dollars to do the trial, and the TGA approved his device, but insurance companies keep him out of the market with prohibitive fees that had to be paid on each device.

The important operative here is the government medical experts and regulators "did approve his device" for the treatment and cure of arthritis. Yes, it was proven to medical experts and they agreed, frequencies in the audio spectrum did work when delivered via a bio-electrical device.

Another statistic comes from the Bare camp of RIFE RF Plasma systems. Health Canada (I think much the same as the USA FDA) approved the PHERL as a medical device for the treatment of pain. After a few years of enjoying medical registration, they lost their license. Why? The pain went away so the PHERL was doing its job. Ah ... now comes the cruncher, the pain went away because the PHERL cured the disease. Resonant Light were allowed to remove pain from the body, but they weren't allowed to cure the disease. Naughty Resonant Light for actually curing diseases ... however, this curing of disease took them to another medical level of regulation which they weren't regulated for, and Health Canada was not about to resister a RIFE device for the treatment of disease.

The largest "alternative" healing group in the world is called the Orthomolecular Medicine group. This group is made up with hundreds of medical doctors, nutritionists, naturopaths, and homeopath practitioners. They claim about a 50% success rate on cancers with the use of IV vitamin C therapy.

Just think of the wonders if we combine IV vitamin C with RIFE success ... ohhhh ... dizzy high success rates of 80% or more might be the case. Who is going to fund trials and studies, have a spare few million dollars around. Remember, you wont get insurance cover, so there is no return on investment. Someone just has to raise several million dollars and give it away.

There have been and are many individual medical doctors that have chosen to serve humanity and face the on-coming storm from government regulators and developed and researched their own cure for cancer, but as they are only individuals, they lack the deep pockets of government, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and it is easy to get them into a court room and destroy their family and remove all their savings. Most individuals back down from this type of aggressive onslaught.

The last vendor (Jim Folsom) of RIFE machines who choose to stand upto government regulators is now doing jail time. He only had a $100,000 in his pocket and this was gone in a few weeks.

Cancer is a disease of modern day civilization and poor diet and nutrition. As Dr Hulda says, a toxic overload in an oxygen low cellular state that see's the flourishing of virus, bacteria and fungus. No wonder human cells go ballistic and loose control.

Freedom is all about following the beat of one's own drum. If some one with cancer wants to put more toxicity into their body, then they should be allowed to do this, the medical system will very eagerly help them do so and extract a nice fee for their work.

When we look at the food in the grocery shop, we see mass ignorance of the laws of nature, and nature will extract its toll on us for breaking her laws. So when we get into trouble, do we abide by the laws of nature for a cure, or do we choose to jump on the spiraling nightmare of medical hell.

So long as we are free to make our choice, then all is good, we did end up doing it our way!

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzellhttp://heal-me.com.au

Help convince a skeptic

Six months ago my brother Don had one of his kidneys removed because it was home to a very large cancer tumor. Following the surgery they didn't put him on any treatment, they just sent him home. Last week he went back for a six month check-up and they found that he now has cancer in both lungs. He has never been a smoker. He has an appointment with the oncologist this coming Monday to discuss his options. He knows very little about alternative cancer treatments and is very skeptical. I have showed him the list of stage4 alt treatments on the "cancer tutor" web site and he's not impressed. He says that if these protocols were truly effective the sponsors would be proudly displaying their documented success statistics. He believes that the lack of such evidence is an indication that the protocols are more scam than reality. Can anyone help me convince him that the protocols are real? Are there documented success statistics available? Don told me that he plans to discuss the list of alt treatments with his oncologist when he sees him to determine if any are worthy of attention. I've tried to tell him he is not likely to get an informed and unbiased evaluation from his V cancer doctor. I expect they will recommend that he start radiation and chemo immediately. I know this path is a death sentence. Can anyone help me?

July 9, 2011

Your brother wanting to discuss his list of alternatives with his

oncologist is akin to the chickens discussing locking the hen house

door at night with the local den of foxes.

Most alternatives are going to be about diet and temporarily

assisting the body in shutting down the killing assault in its

tracks until the body's immune system can take over and mop up the

residual and keep the body attack free in the future.

Since conventional treatment of cancer does not deal with the immune

system or the body as a whole but looks at cancer as "tumor located"

and kill the tumor and you have killed the cancer, then they are not

open to any alternatives as they are "leaf" oriented and have no

vision of the tree much less the forest.

The problem is that your brother is so short on time that he does

not have time nor the health to investigate fully the alternatives

to make an informed decision and he will probably come from the

school who thinks Md's were trained on Mt Olympus with the Gods and

this is an uphill and against the wind mindset to overcome in making

him go to alternatives.

Alternatives have a great chance of working if they are done before

radiation and chemo but they have a much poorer chance of success if

tried after and most look at alternatives as their last choice when

conventional medicine has failed.

One book that is the best of the best to give one a broad view of

alternatives is one by Lothar Herneise. entitled "Chemo Cures

Cancer and the World is Flat". This one book might start your

brother to thinking strongly in terms of alternatives but his hour

is very late.

I know of no cancer curing diet that will allow the ingesting of

more than 5% animal protein. If your brother cannot give up meat,

it is a bitch to get his immune system to rebound and his body to

fight cancer.

Unfortunately the mindset needs to be developed months to years

before the body is invaded much like acquiring a skill with a

firearm before you are required to shoot a burglar to save your

life.

The oncologist will be pulling him in one direction and the

alternatives in the other while most around will be conventional

thinkers who are not used to being told that the conventional

medical profession has been trained to maximize profit off of

treating the symptoms of cancer and know nothing about curing it and

do not wish to know as it goes against their bank account to know.

You will find many alternatives that have had wonderful success in

treating cancer and you will find zero successes of radiation and

chemo in treating cancer if you look at true stats.

If radiation is so good and chemo is so good, why do not the

oncologist take a little radiation each morning or a little taste of

chemo each morning at breakfast as a preventative?

You could not pay them enough money to do to themselves on even a

watered down scale what they prescribe to their patients on a grand

scale as they do not walk the talk. Their talk is about making

money and not curing anything.

You have a very difficult task in front of you and Lothar would be a

place to start that is not insurmountable for such a short time to

come to a good decision.

Harvey in Houston

Dear emyl64,

In general, the RIFE group is not such

structured to keep statistical analysis on who dies and

who lives if your use RIFE to fight disease.

Between 1995 to 1998 a friend and I made

hundreds of Hulda Zappers. The Uniting Church

bought about 110 of these zappers from us and sent them

to a town in Australia called Coffs Harbour which had

the highest incidence of leukemia in the world, due to

agriculture pesticides leaking into the town water

supply. Children were being born with leukemia,

cancers and physical malformations.

By the end of 1998, we had reports from

the church that 50 of these 110 people were classified

by the local hospital and doctors as in remission. No

detectable cancers in their body.

We had around 20 confirmed deaths, and

the remainder of the people we just didn't know or hear

from them. Many had moved out of Coffs Harbour because

of the drinking water problem.

From what data we could access, we

estimated 50% of people using zappers in that town were

cured of their cancers and in remission. Now this is

just the 9 volt 30kHz zapper, not the sophisticated RIFE

machines of modern day which would enjoy a much higher

success rate. Taking into account other nutritional

therapies these people may have been on was not

considered in the data, we just didn't have the

information. Also, the placebo aspect of the church

giving its sick followers a frequency therapy tool would

account for a large remission rate too.

We prepared a report and sent it to the

TGA seeking registration of the Hulda Zapper, the

equivalent of your FDA in America. We promptly received

a letter from the TGA to cease all manufacturing and

distribution of the zappers, or we would be prosecuted

very aggressively by the Australian Federal Government

and we would be looking at jail time.

Numerous other vendors of zappers and

RIFE machines in Australia did end up in jail and lost

their homes and families.

America, Canada, UK, Australia, and

other Empire countries suffer from the same rules and

policing. Not a very healthy environment to gather

statistical data when you risk going to jail for doing

so.

Geoff Baker, an Australian is the only

person I know in modern times to do a double blind

placebo pilot study using frequency therapy on

arthritis. It cost him many millions of dollars to do

the trial, and the TGA approved his device, but

insurance companies keep him out of the market with

prohibitive fees that had to be paid on each device.

The important operative here is the

government medical experts and regulators "did approve

his device" for the treatment and cure of arthritis.

Yes, it was proven to medical experts and they agreed,

frequencies in the audio spectrum did work when

delivered via a bio-electrical device.

Another statistic comes from the

Bare camp of RIFE RF Plasma systems. Health Canada (I

think much the same as the USA FDA) approved the PHERL

as a medical device for the treatment of pain. After a

few years of enjoying medical registration, they lost

their license. Why? The pain went away so the PHERL was

doing its job. Ah ... now comes the cruncher, the pain

went away because the PHERL cured the disease. Resonant

Light were allowed to remove pain from the body, but

they weren't allowed to cure the disease. Naughty

Resonant Light for actually curing diseases ... however,

this curing of disease took them to another medical

level of regulation which they weren't regulated for,

and Health Canada was not about to resister a RIFE

device for the treatment of disease.

The largest "alternative" healing group

in the world is called the Orthomolecular Medicine

group. This group is made up with hundreds of medical

doctors, nutritionists, naturopaths, and homeopath

practitioners. They claim about a 50% success rate on

cancers with the use of IV vitamin C therapy.

Just think of the wonders if we combine

IV vitamin C with RIFE success ... ohhhh ... dizzy high

success rates of 80% or more might be the case. Who is

going to fund trials and studies, have a spare few

million dollars around. Remember, you wont get insurance

cover, so there is no return on investment. Someone just

has to raise several million dollars and give it away.

There have been and are many individual

medical doctors that have chosen to serve humanity and

face the on-coming storm from government regulators and

developed and researched their own cure for cancer, but

as they are only individuals, they lack the deep pockets

of government, insurance companies and pharmaceutical

companies and it is easy to get them into a court room

and destroy their family and remove all their savings.

Most individuals back down from this type of aggressive

onslaught.

The last vendor (Jim Folsom) of RIFE

machines who choose to stand upto government regulators

is now doing jail time. He only had a $100,000 in his

pocket and this was gone in a few weeks.

Cancer is a disease of modern day

civilization and poor diet and nutrition. As Dr Hulda

says, a toxic overload in an oxygen low cellular

state that see's the flourishing of virus, bacteria and

fungus. No wonder human cells go ballistic and loose

control.

Freedom is all about following the beat

of one's own drum. If some one with cancer wants to put

more toxicity into their body, then they should be

allowed to do this, the medical system will very eagerly

help them do so and extract a nice fee for their work.

When we look at the food in the grocery

shop, we see mass ignorance of the laws of nature, and

nature will extract its toll on us for breaking her

laws. So when we get into trouble, do we abide by the

laws of nature for a cure, or do we choose to jump on

the spiraling nightmare of medical hell.

So long as we are free to make our

choice, then all is good, we did end up doing it our

way!

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Help

convince a skeptic

Six months ago my brother Don had one of his kidneys

removed because it was home to a very large cancer

tumor. Following the surgery they didn't put him on any

treatment, they just sent him home. Last week he went

back for a six month check-up and they found that he now

has cancer in both lungs. He has never been a smoker. He

has an appointment with the oncologist this coming Monday

to discuss his options. He knows very little about

alternative cancer treatments and is very skeptical. I

have showed him the list of stage4 alt treatments on the

"cancer tutor" web site and he's not impressed. He says

that if these protocols were truly effective the sponsors

would be proudly displaying their documented success

statistics. He believes that the lack of such evidence

is an indication that the protocols are more scam than

reality. Can anyone help me convince him that the

protocols are real? Are there documented success

statistics available? Don told me that he plans to

discuss the list of alt treatments with his oncologist

when he sees him to determine if any are worthy of

attention. I've tried to tell him he is not likely to

get an informed and unbiased evaluation from his V cancer

doctor. I expect they will recommend that he start

radiation and chemo immediately. I know this path is a

death sentence. Can anyone help me?

July 9, 2011

It would seem the April ? FDA approval of a similar device for brain cancer would be an indication ! I understand the FDA may have other similar approved apps like depression !

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