Re: Lyme Disease

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Vitamin D - HUGE!Not just in tx of Lyme but in prevention of so many ills.Lyme is everywhere.  In my opinion, most everyone harbors the bacteria.  But, just like those who have HIV but never develop AIDS, or those that have Herpes, but never an outbreak... the health of the immune system dictates the probability of getting sick.

Fact is, 77% of Americans are in the basement as far as D levels.  that's not good.  I could talk for hours and hours about it.  I have had my levels checked 3 times in the last years just to really gauge where I am at with it.  I am now taking 10,000 iu a day and will stay there for 3 months, test again and see if that has brought the level to where it needs to be.

As far as tx of my Lyme, I chose an herbal protocol rather than antibiotics.  Better everyday.  I get to build my immune system rather than blast it apart with anitbiotics and I like that.So much great information coming out about D!

I see the vitamin D council now recommends 5,000 i.u. a day and then having level checked.  Good idea.  And you want to save the world billions on flu shots?  Give everybody a couple of whopping doses of good d3 at the start of flu season and you'll have your cure

OK, don't get me started.... or I just might start talking about vitamin C, too!!!!!My best to everyone,Garret

 

Good afternoon,I read recently about 'The Marshall Protocol' (can do a search - lots of info available on the web) ... apparently working wonders for Lyme sufferers (and other 'autoimmune disorders').  It's an interesting foray into Vitamin D - from an alternate point of view.  I haven't any personal experience with it, but it is interesting to think about as many others have.  I don't care for parts 2 and 3 of the treatment regimen, but I do believe one could use something more natural in place of those.  Perhaps colloidal silver (ie. mesosilver, sovereign silver), hydrogen peroxide, or some of the other antibacterial treatments that work well.

Just a completely off topic thought to share!  You never know who may be helped by esoteric references.Have a wonderful day, everyone.Maureen Re: MILK and Blood Sugar> >   > >    I have hypoglycemic tendencies and I think that if the milk > is very fatty ( raw cow or goat) you should be ok. You can also

> mix raw cream with it. Self experimentation seems to be the best > way to figure this stuff out, so that's what I do! >    One thing I've discovered, even with something like oatmeal, > with a high glycemic index, that if I soak it for 24 hrs AND add

> lots of butter  (like around 2 tbsp per bowl) and milk, that I > don't get shaky after. If I dare eat just soaked and cooked > oatmeal without any fat added I'm a mess within 15 minutes after

> eating it. I recommend not listening to most food activists and > nutritionists when it comes to dairy because there is such a > strong prejudice against it. Best to keep an open mind and find > out what works for you and your family.

>    I have a friend that one day decided that she doesn't have > any of the food intolerances/ allergies she thought she had > (being a enthusiastic health food person, she assumed all the > usual suspects (dairy, wheat, nightshades) were bothering her).

> After that, she was able to eat everything and be just fine. > There are true food intolerances, but oftentimes it's just > balance that we need.> > To your health.> Rebekah

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An acquaintance of mine has lyme disease.  A doctor from the Mayo clinic put her on the milk cure.  He told her that he has had luck with it. 

  She has been very happy with it and she thinks it is working.  She eats or drinks nothing but raw milk.  I will let you know when she is through if her lyme is gone.  She is on no other medications for it.  They were not working.

 

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That is much the same as my thoughts, the use of Vitamin C mega-doses which is then converted to peroxide to detoxify the body and I believe ia also used to combat many diseases as well it seems H2O2 can have much more effect [including cancer] than most other treatments except it must be 3-1/2 % food grade and diluted with distilled water to the appropriate dilution needed to be used safely.

 

Good afternoon,I read recently about 'The Marshall Protocol' (can do a search - lots of info available on the web) ... apparently working wonders for Lyme sufferers (and other 'autoimmune disorders').  It's an interesting foray into Vitamin D - from an alternate point of view.  I haven't any personal experience with it, but it is interesting to think about as many others have.  I don't care for parts 2 and 3 of the treatment regimen, but I do believe one could use something more natural in place of those.  Perhaps colloidal silver (ie. mesosilver, sovereign silver), hydrogen peroxide, or some of the other antibacterial treatments that work well.

Just a completely off topic thought to share!  You never know who may be helped by esoteric references.Have a wonderful day, everyone.Maureen Re: MILK and Blood Sugar> >   > >    I have hypoglycemic tendencies and I think that if the milk > is very fatty ( raw cow or goat) you should be ok. You can also

> mix raw cream with it. Self experimentation seems to be the best > way to figure this stuff out, so that's what I do! >    One thing I've discovered, even with something like oatmeal, > with a high glycemic index, that if I soak it for 24 hrs AND add

> lots of butter  (like around 2 tbsp per bowl) and milk, that I > don't get shaky after. If I dare eat just soaked and cooked > oatmeal without any fat added I'm a mess within 15 minutes after

> eating it. I recommend not listening to most food activists and > nutritionists when it comes to dairy because there is such a > strong prejudice against it. Best to keep an open mind and find > out what works for you and your family.

>    I have a friend that one day decided that she doesn't have > any of the food intolerances/ allergies she thought she had > (being a enthusiastic health food person, she assumed all the > usual suspects (dairy, wheat, nightshades) were bothering her).

> After that, she was able to eat everything and be just fine. > There are true food intolerances, but oftentimes it's just > balance that we need.> > To your health.> Rebekah

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I have lived with Chronic Lyme for some time. I actually got involved with raw milk because of it!I had gotten to the point of being unable to get out of bed in the morning, was sick all the time and was willing to try anything! A friend suggested raw milk.....being unable to find a source near me....I bought a Jersey! Now, a few years later, I feel better than ever! I still ache at times and every now and then, I do have a flare up or two, but I can actually enjoy life now instead of dreading morning!!!! My one Jersey grew to a small herd and I now run a cow share program!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: canty@...Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:48:31 -0500To: <RawDairy >Subject: Re: Lyme Disease Hi!An acquaintance of mine has lyme disease.  A doctor from the Mayo clinic put her on the milk cure.  He told her that he has had luck with it.   She has been very happy with it and she thinks it is working.  She eats or drinks nothing but raw milk.  I will let you know when she is through if her lyme is gone.  She is on no other medications for it.  They were not working. >   > > > > >>    PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com MARKETPLACEHobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests.Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .

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Hi Garret,Not to take away from anything you feel or shared, but the Marshall Protocol has a very different viewpoint on Vitamin D. Best just to check it out and see if the information makes sense to you.I wouldn't have given this the time of day, except that as soon as something is 'pushed' into mainstream, as vitamin D now is, my hackles go up and I start to get suspicious. Great day!MaureenIncidentally, I don't think there is any interest in getting rid of vaccines ... how else can they make our children sick for life? Oh right ... our food ... and water ... gasp - where's my coffee? Re: MILK and Blood Sugar> > >> > >> > >> > > I have hypoglycemic tendencies and I think > that if the milk> > > is very fatty ( raw cow or goat) you should be ok. You can also> > > mix raw cream with it. Self experimentation seems to be the best> > > way to figure this stuff out, so that's what I do!> > > One thing I've discovered, even with > something like oatmeal,> > > with a high glycemic index, that if I soak it for 24 hrs AND add> > > lots of butter (like around 2 tbsp per bowl) and milk, > that I> > > don't get shaky after. If I dare eat just soaked and cooked> > > oatmeal without any fat added I'm a mess within 15 minutes after> > > eating it. I recommend not listening to most food activists and> > > nutritionists when it comes to dairy because there is such a> > > strong prejudice against it. Best to keep an open mind and find> > > out what works for you and your family.> > > I have a friend that one day decided that > she doesn't have> > > any of the food intolerances/ allergies she thought she had> > > (being a enthusiastic health food person, she assumed all the> > > usual suspects (dairy, wheat, nightshades) were bothering her).> > > After that, she was able to eat everything and be just fine.> > > There are true food intolerances, but oftentimes it's just> > > balance that we need.> > >> > > To your health.> > > Rebekah> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > -- > Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent > one. - Albert> Einstein>

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Lyme never really disappears. Once it's in, it's there for good. It comes down to building up the immunity and for many of us, raw dairy can be a big part of building that. Hopefully, your friend has looked into and been tested for gluten intolerance as well as checking for any antibodies for milk. Because if there are antibodies, all the raw dairy in the world is not going to help the immune system fight the Lyme. Also, I surely encourage her to get d level tested and do a vitamin c calibration test to determine her therapeutic dosage for vitamin c. We have a doctor here in our city (Winona, MN) who mayo doctors send their kids to for Lyme. One definitely wants an LLMD when it comes to this stuff. Sorry, that's Lyme Literate MD. A doc who can see the whole picture and get down to the nitty gritty as far as diagnosing, nutritional recommendations, treatment. GarretReality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein

Hi!

An acquaintance of mine has lyme disease. A doctor from the Mayo clinic put her on the milk cure. He told her that he has had luck with it.

She has been very happy with it and she thinks it is working. She eats or drinks nothing but raw milk. I will let you know when she is through if her lyme is gone. She is on no other medications for it. They were not working.

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Maureen, Thank you for reminding me to check out more of the Marshall protocol. I just did a quick skimming of it and will learn more about his theory and study in the next couple of days. Life is one big experiment, isn't it??? :)Everyone on this forum already knows that the mainstream experiment just ain't workin'. Good to be surrounded by folks who know to be vigilant and trust themselves to know what is right With gratitude,GarretReality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein

Hi Garret,Not to take away from anything you feel or shared, but the Marshall Protocol has a very different viewpoint on Vitamin D. Best just to check it out and see if the information makes sense to you.I wouldn't have given this the time of day, except that as soon as something is 'pushed' into mainstream, as vitamin D now is, my hackles go up and I start to get suspicious. Great day!MaureenIncidentally, I don't think there is any interest in getting rid of vaccines ... how else can they make our children sick for life? Oh right ... our food ... and water ... gasp - where's my coffee? Re: MILK and Blood Sugar> > >> > >> > >> > > I have hypoglycemic tendencies and I think > that if the milk> > > is very fatty ( raw cow or goat) you should be ok. You can also> > > mix raw cream with it. Self experimentation seems to be the best> > > way to figure this stuff out, so that's what I do!> > > One thing I've discovered, even with > something like oatmeal,> > > with a high glycemic index, that if I soak it for 24 hrs AND add> > > lots of butter (like around 2 tbsp per bowl) and milk, > that I> > > don't get shaky after. If I dare eat just soaked and cooked> > > oatmeal without any fat added I'm a mess within 15 minutes after> > > eating it. I recommend not listening to most food activists and> > > nutritionists when it comes to dairy because there is such a> > > strong prejudice against it. Best to keep an open mind and find> > > out what works for you and your family.> > > I have a friend that one day decided that > she doesn't have> > > any of the food intolerances/ allergies she thought she had> > > (being a enthusiastic health food person, she assumed all the> > > usual suspects (dairy, wheat, nightshades) were bothering her).> > > After that, she was able to eat everything and be just fine.> > > There are true food intolerances, but oftentimes it's just> > > balance that we need.> > >> > > To your health.> > > Rebekah> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > -- > Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent > one. - Albert> Einstein>

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Thanks.  I will tell her that.  I know that she is happy with her doctor, and I was happy to hear a doctor prescribe something like that.  I don't hear that very often.

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Lyme never really disappears.  Once it's in, it's there for good.  It comes down to building up the immunity and for many of us, raw dairy can be a big part of building that. 

Hopefully, your friend has looked into and been tested for gluten intolerance as well as checking for any antibodies for milk.  Because if there are antibodies, all the raw dairy in the world is not going to help the immune system fight the Lyme.  

Also, I surely encourage her to get d level tested and do a vitamin c calibration test to determine her therapeutic dosage for vitamin c.  

We have a doctor here in our city (Winona, MN) who mayo doctors send their kids to for Lyme.  

One definitely wants an LLMD when it comes to this stuff.  Sorry, that's Lyme Literate MD.  A doc who can see the whole picture and get down to the nitty gritty as far as diagnosing, nutritional recommendations, treatment.   

Garret

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.  - Albert Einstein 

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Hi!

An acquaintance of mine has lyme disease.  A doctor from the Mayo clinic put her on the milk cure.  He told her that he has had luck with it. 

  She has been very happy with it and she thinks it is working.  She eats or drinks nothing but raw milk.  I will let you know when she is through if her lyme is gone.  She is on no other medications for it.  They were not working.

 

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One has to remember that Vitamin D from a natural source is a totally different item than Vitamin D that is used as a a food additive and in many cases in our mainstream Vitamin supplements. It is much like references to milk that really only apply to raw or pasteurized milk specifically.Kurtis Hi Garret,Not to take away from anything you feel or shared, but the Marshall Protocol has a very different viewpoint on Vitamin D. Best just to check it out and see if the information makes sense to you.I wouldn't have given this the time of day, except that as soon as something is 'pushed' into mainstream, as vitamin D now is, my hackles go up and I start to get suspicious. Great day!MaureenIncidentally, I don't think there is any interest in getting rid of vaccines ... how else can they make our children sick for life? Oh right ... our food ... and water ... gasp - where's my coffee? Re: MILK and Blood Sugar> > >> > >> > >> > > I have hypoglycemic tendencies and I think > that if the milk> > > is very fatty ( raw cow or goat) you should be ok. You can also> > > mix raw cream with it. Self experimentation seems to be the best> > > way to figure this stuff out, so that's what I do!> > > One thing I've discovered, even with > something like oatmeal,> > > with a high glycemic index, that if I soak it for 24 hrs AND add> > > lots of butter (like around 2 tbsp per bowl) and milk, > that I> > > don't get shaky after. If I dare eat just soaked and cooked> > > oatmeal without any fat added I'm a mess within 15 minutes after> > > eating it. I recommend not listening to most food activists and> > > nutritionists when it comes to dairy because there is such a> > > strong prejudice against it. Best to keep an open mind and find> > > out what works for you and your family.> > > I have a friend that one day decided that > she doesn't have> > > any of the food intolerances/ allergies she thought she had> > > (being a enthusiastic health food person, she assumed all the> > > usual suspects (dairy, wheat, nightshades) were bothering her).> > > After that, she was able to eat everything and be just fine.> > > There are true food intolerances, but oftentimes it's just> > > balance that we need.> > >> > > To your health.> > > Rebekah> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > -- > Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent > one. - Albert> Einstein> Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca

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I would be very interested in hearing the results Krisitn. I am a Lyme patient and I write about things related to Lyme...conspiracies, treatments, politics...etc. I am pretty surprised that someone from the Mayo Clinic suggested the milk cure. As far as CHRONIC Lyme disease goes, they haven't been any help in the past. There are many deniers out there that Lyme can be chronic and people have a very difficutl time getting treatment. I drink raw milk but only a couple of glasses a day along with meals

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Subject: Re: Lyme DiseaseTo: RawDairy Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:48 PM

Hi!

An acquaintance of mine has lyme disease. A doctor from the Mayo clinic put her on the milk cure. He told her that he has had luck with it.

She has been very happy with it and she thinks it is working. She eats or drinks nothing but raw milk. I will let you know when she is through if her lyme is gone. She is on no other medications for it. They were not working.

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I'm following this thread with great interest because I, too, have Lyme. I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

1. We have a Jersey who is on pasture when pasture is available (we live in northern Utah and still have a foot of snow on the ground). She is otherwise fed alfalfa hay. We grain her at milking, 1-3 quarts depending on season, more in the winter. We just started backing off on the grain since it is getting a bit warmer now. Is that amount of grain significantly decreasing the quality of milk?

2. I have been ladling off the cream to make butter and sour cream. Of course, I can't get all of it, so we are still drinking some of the cream. How much volume do we still need in the milk to glean all the great nutrients? She produces 20-25% cream by volume. Should I only use the very top, thick cream to make butter? Am I losing valuable nutrients in the buttermilk that is left?

3. My husband loves milk. He has gained weight since we started drinking raw milk, which is definitely more creamy than the skim, 1% or 2% we used to drink from the store. He thinks his weight gain is because we drink the milk too creamy.

4. Does raw milk have a natural vit D3 content? What is a good source of vit D3 supplement? Mine is still within what the mainstream medical community would call "normal", however on the low end of that spectrum.

5. Vitamin C? What kind of doses are ya'll talking about to boost the immune system? My immune system is trashed after 14 months of high-dose antibiotics back in 1999-2000.

6. I'm looking for any suggestions you experienced raw milkers might have! We have our own free range chickens, layers, not meat. We have our own pasture/hay raised beef. We think whole foods and succeed most of the time. My son was making up a list of "junk foods" for a scouting activity the other day and he hadn't even heard of most of what other kids would recognize as "junk" food. We went through our fridge and pantry and came up with things like white flour (which we only use on special occasions), hot dogs and ramen noodles (which my husband insists on having around to fix when I'm not around to fix lunch or dinner), deli meats, white pasta.

Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.

Sincerely,

Dona

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Hi Dona,Vitamin C:  Read this:http://www.vitamins-today.com/c_flush.htmlIt's a simple way to find out just how much vitamin C YOUR body needs to take in.

I like to do this simple test every season in order to see where I am at with my body's vitamin C intake and absorption.In regard to gaining weight on dairy (or anything for that matter):  Calories in should equal calories out.  Any overages of intake will eventually lead to addition of weight.  No way around it. 

And granted, your body " needs " fat to burn fat, and good honest-to-goodness milk fat is good fat (for some of us, some or all of the time) the equation still holds....And as we get older, unless we are pushing these bodies and preserving our muscle mass through exercise, our bodies will lose muscle mass and that means our metabolism will also decrease and that means we will burn less of the calories that come in and turn the excess in to fat, plain and simple.

In regard to vitamin D and milk - you'd need to drink 200 8-ounce glasses of vitamin d fortified milk  a day  in order to get the levels up.  I base this only on my recent readings of D3 studies, interviews.  I am not a doctor.... 

but... when you realize that the average doctor has 4 measly hours of training in nutrition in 4 years of medical school, everyone on this forum most likely knows more than the average doc!!!Yay us!!!Grateful,

Garret

 



I'm following this thread with great interest because I, too, have Lyme.  I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

 

1.  We have a Jersey who is on pasture when pasture is available (we live in northern Utah and still have a foot of snow on the ground).  She is otherwise fed alfalfa hay.  We grain her at milking, 1-3 quarts depending on season, more in the winter.  We just started backing off on the grain since it is getting a bit warmer now.  Is that amount of grain significantly decreasing the quality of milk?

 

2.  I have been ladling off the cream to make butter and sour cream.  Of course, I can't get all of it, so we are still drinking some of the cream.  How much volume do we still need in the milk to glean all the great nutrients? She produces 20-25% cream by volume.  Should I only use the very top, thick cream to make butter?  Am I losing valuable nutrients in the buttermilk that is left?

 

3.  My husband loves milk.  He has gained weight since we started drinking raw milk, which is definitely more creamy than the skim, 1% or 2% we used to drink from the store.  He thinks his weight gain is because we drink the milk too creamy.

 

4.  Does raw milk have a natural vit D3 content?  What is a good source of vit D3 supplement?  Mine is still within what the mainstream medical community would call " normal " , however on the low end of that spectrum.

 

5. Vitamin C?  What kind of doses are ya'll talking about to boost the immune system?  My immune system is trashed after 14 months of high-dose antibiotics back in 1999-2000.

 

6.  I'm looking for any suggestions you experienced raw milkers might have!  We have our own free range chickens, layers, not meat.  We have our own pasture/hay raised beef.  We think whole foods and succeed most of the time.  My son was making up a list of " junk foods " for a scouting activity the other day and he hadn't even heard of most of what other kids would recognize as " junk " food.  We went through our fridge and pantry and came up with things like white flour (which we only use on special occasions), hot dogs and ramen noodles (which my husband insists on having around to fix when I'm not around to fix lunch or dinner), deli meats, white pasta. 

 

Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.

 

Sincerely,

Dona

-- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.  - Albert Einstein

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as to the buttermilk, as long as you consume it, your aren't losing any

nutrients.

is your husband drinking more of the raw milk than he was of the store-bought?

this page lists the vitamins in raw milk

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

Cod liver oil, especially fermented cod liver oil is a good source of Vitamin D.

Lard from pastured pigs is also a good source.

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course, I can't get all of it, so we are still drinking some of the cream. How

much volume do we still need in the milk to glean all the great nutrients? She

produces 20-25% cream by volume. Should I only use the very top, thick cream to

make butter? Am I losing valuable nutrients in the buttermilk that is left?

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> 3. My husband loves milk. He has gained weight since we started drinking raw

milk, which is definitely more creamy than the skim, 1% or 2% we used to drink

from the store. He thinks his weight gain is because we drink the milk too

creamy.

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> 4. Does raw milk have a natural vit D3 content? What is a good source of vit

D3 supplement? Mine is still within what the mainstream medical community would

call " normal " , however on the low end of that spectrum.

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Hi Garret and all you other wonderful people,I so appreciate everyone's posts here. Thank you. Garret, one thing you wrote struck a chord for me that I recently learned. Out of appreciation of your input I want to bring it to your attention. I recently watch the video "Sugar - the Bitter Truth" by Lustig. It's very educational and entertaining. In the video Dr. Lustig debunks the 'calories in - calories out' theory. Although we all generally believe that, it's not accurate. I think you would enjoy the video. Here's a link to watch it... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=UQvQ-ZXdk8c & v=dBnniua6-oMKeep up the great (positive) posts!Thank you,Will

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HI Will!!!I will definitely watch the video you suggested.Just a quick reply before my next massage here - I definitely do believe that there are differences in the calories we take in, no doubt about it - give me the calories of a grass-fed organic steak over the same calories in corn chips, anyday!

I was only speaking in general terms in my posts, I suppose.  Just that no matter what the source, even if it's wonderful, we still have to burn it off... I have seen many people get into raw dairy for health reasons and then gain plenty of weight as they take too much of a good thing in. 

All things in moderation, including moderation :)I look forward to watching the video once I am done with my sessions today!!  Thank you for sending it!!!My berry best,Garret

 

Hi Garret and all you other wonderful people,I so appreciate everyone's posts here.  Thank you.  Garret, one thing you wrote struck a chord for me that I recently learned.  Out of appreciation of your input I want to bring it to your attention.  I recently watch the video " Sugar - the Bitter Truth " by Lustig.  It's very educational and entertaining.  In the video Dr. Lustig debunks the 'calories in - calories out' theory.  Although we all generally believe that, it's not accurate.  I think you would enjoy the video.  Here's a link to watch it... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=UQvQ-ZXdk8c & v=dBnniua6-oM

Keep up the great (positive) posts!Thank you,Will

-- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.  - Albert Einstein

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" calories in - calories out " aka First Law of thermodynamics, was in the

end the only way I could get my weight down fast and keep it there. It

is also the way the universe works and is one of the Conservation

Principles that makes it tick.

Perpetual Motion types are everywhere and I usually ignore them.

If Lustig demands that the First Law of Thermodynamics doesnt hold, he

is a perpetual motion freak.

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> the 'calories in - calories out' theory.

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Hi LV,I want to clarify. Lustig doesn't balk at the first law of thermodynamics. In fact, he references it in his video. He does suggest that 'calories in - calories out' is a too simplified view for the crazy complex biochemical system each of us shlep around each day. If you would like to hear if he is a lunatic or not, I encourage you to watch his video. At the very least, it will be entertaining. Thank you for posting.Will