Re: Did Rife's MOR's actually work by resonance?

[Guest guest]

Excuse me for attempting to answer my own question ... but is there any _solid_

evidence that the mortality effects Rife's observed with his microscopes ever

occured when NOT in the presence of direct light emitted by a plasma tube?

I am refering to the seminal work, not to heresay, what may or may not have been

achieved later without tubes.

On the surface, it would appear UV rays were involved, and these were being

somehow tuned in frequency by the MOR's to resonante with each specific microbe.

I believe Rife used quartz tubes, didn't he?

[Guest guest]

This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche M.D.

who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

" There was fifteen inches of concrete on the floor so as to stop any earthquake

shocks from interfering with his work. And in his laboratory upon the ground

floor he had a microscope with a slide on it that this group of people and

myself looked at. And this was not stained, there was no killing of the bacteria

on it. It was just a fresh culture of the colon bacillus…..Well we all went down

under the stairs into the cellar right immediately under the microscope upon the

floor above us and the Rife machine was down in underneath there, under the

culture in the cellar probably I suppose about ten feet away, eight or ten feet

away. And he turned the machine on and gave it less than a half minute's

frequency for the colon bacillus...Then he turned the machine off and we all

came upstairs and waited for ten or fifteen minutes. And presently he came back

to his microscope and he said, " Well gentlemen come and look at the slide now. "

Well to my astonishment the bacilli all had been killed and they were all

stacked up on the slide. " ( Marsh Rife CDs - CD 3 track 1)

Since there was 15 inches of concrete floor between the ray tube and the

organism I believe this rules out any UV ray being a factor.

Jeff Garff

>

> Excuse me for attempting to answer my own question ... but is there any

_solid_ evidence that the mortality effects Rife's observed with his microscopes

ever occured when NOT in the presence of direct light emitted by a plasma tube?

>

> I am refering to the seminal work, not to heresay, what may or may not have

been achieved later without tubes.

>

> On the surface, it would appear UV rays were involved, and these were being

somehow tuned in frequency by the MOR's to resonante with each specific microbe.

I believe Rife used quartz tubes, didn't he?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting that Jeff,saved me time in looking for it.

I don't believe that the Rife effect is totally resonance, the mention of the

ecoli being all stacked up,and other references of agglutination and lines of

force,point to additional factors.

None uniform electric fields causing dielectrophoresis, and or standing waves.

The Gruner circuit will cause standing waves,not sure about the sideband method

used in the clinical instrument.

Mike

> >

> > Excuse me for attempting to answer my own question ... but is there any

_solid_ evidence that the mortality effects Rife's observed with his microscopes

ever occured when NOT in the presence of direct light emitted by a plasma tube?

> >

> > I am refering to the seminal work, not to heresay, what may or may not have

been achieved later without tubes.

> >

> > On the surface, it would appear UV rays were involved, and these were being

somehow tuned in frequency by the MOR's to resonante with each specific microbe.

I believe Rife used quartz tubes, didn't he?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I recall previously reading the quote you kindly provided. I do not doubt

its authenticity, but it appears to be an isolated instance that differed from

Rife's normal protocol which was to have the culture near the tube.

From the " stacked up " description in the story it seems almost as though the

entire culture was being resonated, and not the individual microbes.

In any event, as I pointed out in my OP, electromagnetic resonance at micron

wavelengths is highly unlikely given the relatively low frequencies Rife used.

This is why I was looking at UV.

However, if we consider the plasma acoustic effect as a possible candidate, the

required wavelength reduces by a factor of around 900,000. IOW a 1.2 micron

strep ballicus would now resonate at around 200MHz or only about 7 octaves above

the maximum frequencies Rife was using.

Perhaps some of the more experienced researchers here could calculate the

higher harmonics for each original MOR, and see if they correspond to the

acoustic wavelength of the correponding pathogen.

Or maybe this has been done already?

TG

>

> This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche M.D.

who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

>

[Guest guest]

That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency energy is absorbed (resonates on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group?Jim Ke7azs

I noticed that the #4 machine frequency for Streptococcus is given as 720,000Hz. The wavelength of strep lies between 0.5 to 1.2 microns. On the low end, that translates to a frequency of 250,000,000,000,000Hz (250,000GHz).

720,000Hz is such a distant octave from this, the energy transfer to the bacteria would be virtually non-existent. And I can see no way the equipment Rife used could generate anywhere near these frequencies, regardless of the methods available to him.

Has any one else given any thought to this, and come up with a logical explanation for how Rife's MOR's could destructively resonate anything of this minute size?

While I have used strep as an example, the same situation exists with the other MOR's.

Of course light, such as would be emitted from the phanotron tube, ranges between 0.4-0.7 microns. This is only two octaves away From microbal wavelengths.

[Guest guest]

Wow it looks like there is a real opportunity for some of the Rife scientists among you to get together and run courses with all the various variations and equipement your all mentioning, this would help many more Rifers to become better healers and scientists.

In the mean time it makes the Bob Beck protocol a favourite for me as a lessser scientist. I fully understand the advantages of Rifeing if we know exactly which equipment which settings plasma or non plasma mors or not etc. In the meantime might many invest in something to only fall short of their needs.

If you gents and ladies could put on a training and devise equipment between you that covers all these variations then you would truly have something even more special

Hugs and hopes chris

To: Rife Sent: Wed, 18 May, 2011 6:04:01Subject: Re: Did Rife's MOR's actually work by resonance?

That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency

energy is absorbed (resonates on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group? Jim

Ke7azs

I noticed that the #4 machine frequency for Streptococcus is given as 720,000Hz. The wavelength of strep lies between 0.5 to 1.2 microns. On the low end, that translates to a frequency of 250,000,000,000,000Hz (250,000GHz).720,000Hz is such a distant octave from this, the energy transfer to the bacteria would be virtually non-existent. And I can see no way the equipment Rife used could generate anywhere near these frequencies, regardless of the methods available to him.Has any one else given any thought to this, and come up with a logical explanation for how Rife's MOR's could destructively resonate anything of this minute size?While I have used strep as an example, the same situation exists with the other MOR's.Of course light, such as would be emitted from the phanotron tube, ranges between 0.4-0.7 microns. This is only two octaves away From microbal

wavelengths.

[Guest guest]

Tg: I have had many of the same thoughts over the years about UV and why a

microbe might resonate at the wavelengths Rife was using. As far as the UV here

is a statement on the testing of the #4 machine using horse meat,which would

eliminate UV.

http://www.rife.org/miscellaneous/no4test-1.jpg

http://www.rife.org/miscellaneous/no4test-2.jpg

As far as resonance at bacterial dimensions, don't know but a few thoughts.

Using a plasm tube the output frequencies are higher than the input

frequencies,possibly up into the gigahertz range.

The wavelenght of a 1Mhz electromagnetic wave in free space is 300 meters,yet

this same 1Mhz electromagnetic wave has a wavelenght of only 2.57 meters when

passing through body fluid with a conductivity of 1.5 S/m. This is due to the

dielectric constant of water/salt water which changes with wavelenght. Read down

to #8 here.

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k16940 & pageid=icb.page91944 & pageCon\

tentId=icb.pagecontent502214 & view=view.do & viewParam_name=indepth.html

Mike

> >

> > This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche

M.D. who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I should have just added this in my other post. But if microbes act as

loop antenna then it becomes even more interesting. Read down to appendix

iii,here. Especialy Hellers thoughts.

Mike

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k16940 & pageid=icb.page91944 & pageCon\

tentId=icb.pagecontent502214 & view=view.do & viewParam_name=indepth.html

Appendix iii: The B-field antenna consists of a 2.75 " diameter single loop

formed from 1/8 " OD copper tubing. Its inductance was calculated to be 0.14ìH

[F. Grover, Inductance Calculations, (D. Van Nostrand, 1946) in Cabot QC 638 G78

and F.E. Terman, Radio Engineer's Handbook, (McGraw-Hill, 1950) Cabot TK 6550.T4

are two excellent references for this]. Two small copper tabs form the

capacitor. They measure 2 cm square and are separated by 3 to 4 mm. The

capacitance is approximately 2 pF. A thin plastic ruler between the plates

serves as the dielectric — its position can be changed to adjust the

capacitance. In this way the resonance frequency can be fine-tuned to match the

transmitted signal. A type 338 (2.7V, 60mA) miniature incandescent lamb gives a

visual indication of the field strength. The adjustment of the spacing between

the lamp's two lead contact points provides the needed impedance matching. With

the impedance properly matched, the bulb brilliance for this " magnetic antenna "

is equal to that of the ë/2 dipole antenna.

Heller's thoughts on this last statement: That this is true, despite the

fact that the magnetic " loop " is only a tiny fraction of a wavelength in linear

extent, beautifully demonstrates the truth of the " antenna theorem " : the

absorption cross section of a resonant loop depends on its directivity pattern,

and is of the order of the square of the wavelength, rather than the square of

the linear dimensions, as one might have thought. At the level of an

intermediate course in electromagnetism, the fact that the resonant loop has an

effective cross section many times as great (e.g. a hundred) as the square of

its size, can be discussed by showing how the energy (Poynting) flux is

" funneled " into the loop. This is due to the way the incident field combines

with that of the loop itself; the point here is that the loop, although it is

functioning as a " receiving antenna, " is also producing its own radiation field.

This field is superimposed on the original incident (plane-wave) field. The

Poynting vector field corresponding to the total field has the property that its

" field lines " in a region of area of the order of the squared wavelength

ultimately terminate (i.e. " flow to " ) the receiving loop, even though the latter

is physically very much smaller than the wavelength. He published this in the

Am. J. Phys. 65(1), pp 22-25, 1997.

> > >

> > > This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche

M.D. who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Some bacteria have an electrical motor made from protein. It is identical to the larger electrical motors we use. The motor runs at 20,000 RPM (easy to break with audio frequencies). Bacteria with a broken motor means no movement and death of the bacteria.

Parasites are made up of many components, respiration, reproduction, movement system, sensing systems, digestion and elimination systems, DNA (spare parts manufacture). Anyone of these individual systems can be broken by audio frequencies and the harmonics they generate.

So the idea of having a single MOR frequency to blow-up a parasite is not a very ntelligent method of approaching this therapy.

Breaking any one of the several "systems" in a parasite can bring about its demise. This I believe has been the success of the CAFL and audio frequencies.

From my understanding, it is better not to "blow-up" and rupture the parasite, it will leak toxic material and may-be other virus into the body. Far better breaking one of its systems rendering it intact, but unable to reproduce or carry out a vital life survival functions. I believe this is a far more intelligent and "healthy" way of approaching RIFE.

Dr. Rife was able to blow-up parasites with his machine, and at high frequencies, but at the end of the day, is this the smartest thing to do ? I think it is much more intelligent to break an internal component of the parasite, thus keeping toxic loadings low in the body and also effectively killing the parasite. The immune system is not placed under extra stresses and healing becomes a faster and more rewarding experience.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzellhttp://heal-me.com.au

Re: Did Rife's MOR's actually work by resonance?

That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency energy is absorbed (resonat es on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group?

Jim

Ke7azs

I noticed that the #4 machine frequency for Streptococcus is given as 720,000Hz. The wavelength of strep lies between 0.5 to 1.2 microns. On the low end, that translates to a frequency of 250,000,000,000,000Hz (250,000GHz).720,000Hz is such a distant octave from this, the energy transfer to the bacteria would be virtually non-existent. And I can see no way the equipment Rife used could generate anywhere near these frequencies, regardless of the methods available to him.Has any one else given any thought to this, and come up with a logical explanation for how Rife's MOR's could destructively resonate anything of this minute size?While I have used strep as an example, the same situation exists with the other MOR's.Of course light, such as would be emitted from the phanotron tube, ranges between 0.4-0.7 microns. This is only two octaves away From microbal wavelengths.

[Guest guest]

This may be of interest. It is not a recommendation though.

http://www.radiowaveclinic.com/page.php?section=66

>

> That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio

frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the

original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any

field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for

over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her

general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I

have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that

something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing

the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have

offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there

is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like

antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency energy is

absorbed (resonates on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My

understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line

please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group?

> Jim

> Ke7azs

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but once again the DNA frequencies are in the UV range. They may be

effective there, but translated way down into the audio spectrum there would not

be sufficient residual energy (ie. hundreds of thousands of times less) to do

anything, at least by conventional wisdom. If people are getting results, it may

be due to other factors more specifically associated with general stimulation of

the immune system, etc. by audio frequencies.

Perhaps Ms. Boehm can inform us how her original _UV_ frequencies, or a near

lower harmonic, can be successfully administered at a level of technology that

is accessible to members of this group.

>

> >

>

> > This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche

M.D. who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I believe that your question was answered. All the information that was given to

you shows that Rife was devitalizing the organisms with resonance and not UV

light. What else would you have people do to answer your question? Rife's

records show that he was able to devitalize the organisms through concrete walls

and using glass tubes that would not pass UV light. Another proof that it was

not UV light is the fact that he was putting the organisms in test animals and

then treating these animals with the frequencies. The animals recovered. This

also shows that it was not UV that was devitalizing the microorganism because

these organisms were inside the animals bodies were UV light could not

penetrate. I would hope that you would not leave the group and would take the

information that has been given and do your own testing.

Your question has been answered by those in this group.

Take care,

Jeff

> > >

> > > This may help to answer your question. It is a statement from Dr. Couche

> M.D. who used Dr. Rife's equipment for over 20 years.

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting point. But do we believe Rife would have known about or

engineered these complex parameters? Due to manufacturing tolerances of the day,

they would probably be different with every tube, thereby shifting the MOR. Also

why don't we see any modern plasma machines attempting to incorporate this

principle?

>

> TG,

>

> One must look at what is going on within the plasma tube for some

> answers. The plasma tube will produce microwave radiation based upon

> it's Ionic Plasma Resonance Frequency ( IPRF). The IPRF is related to

> the various parameters of the plasma tube ( gas type, pressure,

> volume and so on ) , the input power to the tube, the carrier

> frequency, and of course the modulation frequency.

>

> This paper discusses this - http://rifetechnologies.com/davos2009-D.doc

>

> This paper is an actual case history of the principle put into usage.

>

> http://rifetechnologies.com/WAS%20RIFE%20RIGHT%20FINAL-D.doc

>

> Jim Bare

>

>

> >In any event, as I pointed out in my OP, electromagnetic resonance

> >at micron wavelengths is highly unlikely given the relatively low

> >frequencies Rife used. This is why I was looking at UV.

> >

> >However, if we consider the plasma acoustic effect as a possible

> >candidate, the required wavelength reduces by a factor of around

> >900,000. IOW a 1.2 micron strep ballicus would now resonate at

> >around 200MHz or only about 7 octaves above the maximum frequencies

> >Rife was using.

>

[Guest guest]

> The wavelenght of a 1Mhz electromagnetic wave in free space is 300 meters,yet

this same 1Mhz electromagnetic wave has a wavelenght of only 2.57 meters when

passing through body fluid with a conductivity of 1.5 S/m.

In which case the resonant frequency would be 116MHz. However, I believe this is

over-ridden, for our purposes, by the physical wavelength of the intended

resonator, eg. microbe. Where is the contiguous 2.57 metres of medium for the

signal to pass through?

Unlike acoustic waves, trsnsverse EMR travels at the speed of light irrespective

of intervening medium.

[Guest guest]

> found a 7-octave span from Rife's numbers when calculating possible

> DNA-related frequencies using speed of sound through DNA, instead of speed

> of light. There is probably an electro-acoustic effect involved when using

> plasma. The induced motion on free ions and attached charges by the fields

> emitted from the plasma will cause repetitive motion, which qualifies as an

> acoustic type of response - this phenomenon is mentioned in literature.

>

Many thanks for your detailed response. In light of your statement above, do you

recommend people apply your audio translated DNA frequencies using longitudinal

waves? In other words, via a plasma tube or as high intensity sound, as opposed

to a contact plate system, etc.

You mention the plasma spectrum changes with tube characteristics and applied

signal. Have you seen any evidience that Rife was consciously using this effect?

[Guest guest]

Maybe wants to know what kind of resonance and the the mode of interaction

involved.

Plasma emissions are complex, but I question if engineering certain aspects of

this complexity, as a replicable influence, would have been feasible, or even

considered, in Rife's time. The impression I receive from his writings is that

only one frequency parameter was adjustable, eg. the MOR.

His lab notes also list operational voltages, so it is probable the plasma

needed to be pre-conditioned. For example, as the wave frequency approaches the

plasma ion frequency, the former is slowed down. The dampening factor is also

affected by the plasma density and shape of the vessel.

My best guess is ion acoustic waves. These would be achievable within a few

octaves of the microbe wavelength. This seems to be supported by the gated

waveform Rife was using. Unlike sound waves, they are accompanied by an

oscillating electric & #64257;eld which may expalin their effect through

concrete.

>

> Hello ,

>

>

> I believe that your question was answered. All the information that was given

to you shows that Rife was devitalizing the organisms with resonance and not UV

light. What else would you have people do to answer your question?

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what you are trying to say here, the speed of light slows down in

any medium besides vacuum,the frequency stays the same but the wavelength

changes,this determines refractive index of a medium.

2.57 meters of medium is not necessary, something as thin as a microscope cover

glass will have a refractive index,and light will slow down as long as it is in

that medium.

If you look at this experiment section #8.

http://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k16940 & panel=icb\

..pagecontent502214%3Ar%241%3Fname%3Dindepth.html & pageid=icb.page91944 & pageConten\

tId=icb.pagecontent502214 & state=maximize

Another possibility is that bacteria may act like loop antennas.

see appendix iii.

Mike

>

> > The wavelenght of a 1Mhz electromagnetic wave in free space is 300

meters,yet this same 1Mhz electromagnetic wave has a wavelenght of only 2.57

meters when passing through body fluid with a conductivity of 1.5 S/m.

>

>

> In which case the resonant frequency would be 116MHz. However, I believe this

is over-ridden, for our purposes, by the physical wavelength of the intended

resonator, eg. microbe. Where is the contiguous 2.57 metres of medium for the

signal to pass through?

>

> Unlike acoustic waves, trsnsverse EMR travels at the speed of light

irrespective of intervening medium.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You may want to look into the Nanoknife technology, which uses a locally applied pulsed e-field via needle electrodes to achieve electroporation of tumor material.

from http://www.baptist-health.com/technology/nanoknife.asp

...."The Nano Knife system employs irreversible electroporation – a novel new in cancer treatment technology that uses a series of microsecond electrical pulses instead of extreme heat, freezing, radiation or microwave energy – to permanently open cell membranes in cancerous tumors. Once the cell membrane pores are opened, the death of the targeted cancer cells is induced. Surrounding veins, nerves and ducts within the targeted area are largely unaffected by the process around them, providing a compelling tool for procedures in difficult-to-treat parts of the body"...

It's my understanding this technology works even better than radio ablation, because there is less danger of destruction of surrounding blood vessels (bleeding problems) and other tissue destruction.

More information is at http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/devices/electroporation-knife-for-cancer

Best wishes,

Char

Re: Did Rife's MOR's actually work by resonance?

That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency energy is absorbed (resonates on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group?

Jim

Ke7azs

[Guest guest]

Yes, but the carrier is not the information. If UV frequencies are translated

down to audio, that is presumably the influence one wishes to convey. A carrier

may improve absorption, but will not change the essential frequency of the

modulating waveform which still bears the same distant harmonic relationship to

UV light. And then there is the uncorrelated effect of the carrier frequency

itself to account for.

>

>

> Just as the radio station emissions, going through us right now, carry the

embedded

> audio frequencies that we hear, so does a good EMEM machine use a radio

carrier.

>

[Guest guest]

Your decision to look at DNA is interesting, but its mass within a cell is

relatively minute, a few picograms. It is responsive to electrical fields, but I

have trouble seeing how resonating it would cause the type of near instantaneous

destruction observed by Rife.

As you imply, there may be another mechanism involved in the results you are

apparently observing with your system. But I suggest audio resonance of DNA, or

the rise time of a squarewave, are not the best places to find it.

While not being skeptical of your general claims, may I ask what lab work you

have done to objectify that DNA is actually involved, and not simply a more

systemic effect?

For example, if we assume the resonant frequency of DNA is biologically

influential, than any stimulus in harmonic relationship may also be. This would

relate more to the anatomical evolution of lifeforms than any specific

frequency-mediated effect.

>

> Hello TG,

>

> The original DNA-related frequencies are actually slightly lower than UV.

> Most of them are in the near or general infrared region; a few very short

> items fall into the red end of the visible spectrum. The original

> frequencies are divided down by octaves only (a power of 2), not just any

> subharmonic number.

>

> It is not completely understood the exact mechanism of how this far

> reduction of the original frequencies by octaves might be working. There

> are some ideas being looked at, and Mike (BeamRay) posted this morning some

> very nice material regarding interactions of waves, which deserves a very

> careful look.

>

> There are other aspects of audio frequencies to consider such as fast rise

> time, which can mimic the rise time of a much higher sine wave frequency.

> Here we want to consider the rate of change of the (electrical) action, in

> time.

>

> While I do not doubt there are beneficial immune system responses when

> people use the devices, it does not explain the results Rife got with an

> appropriate MOR under the microscope. From what I have seen over the years,

> there is a higher rate of beneficial response when the frequency is

> appropriate for the pathogen - in the cases of infectious disease, that is.

>

> Many years ago I looked carefully at the overall size of the organism being

> related to a wavelength. However with bacteria, there was so much size

> variance within one species, that is was impossible to get a decent

> size-resonance relationship. If one sits down with Bergey's Manual of

> Determinative Bacteriology, one can find the bacterial size ranges. And

> bacteria change shape in response to electromagnetic/environmental

> influences. Even viruses can change. I have seen pictures of influenza

> virus particles having a filament.

>

> Once it became clear to me that overall shape of the organism might not be a

> reliable way to get a wavelength, is when I started looking seriously at

> DNA. It is the most electrically sensitive molecule in any living organism

> due to its very dense outer negative charge along the length of the molecule

> and the resultant surrounding positive free counterion cloud (the " Manning

> cloud " ). Thus making it highly prone to EM influences. I'll include a

> related article abstract below.

>

> Best wishes,

> Char

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[Guest guest]

Confusing isn't it? The speed of light in anything other than a vacuum is not

the " speed of light " by normal definition.

Yes, helical structures in cells are inductive. This was the principle as

explained by Lakhovsky for his multiple wave oscillator (MWO).

http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm

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> I am not sure what you are trying to say here, the speed of light slows down

in any medium besides vacuum,the frequency stays the same but the wavelength

changes,this determines refractive index of a medium.

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Char,Thanks for the great link. This appears to be a reasonable treatment for small tumors. The Manufacture of the device indicates up to 3000 volts per centimeter is used to open the membranes of the cells. It would take a better mathematician than I to determine if the Rife e-fields could create similar voltages per cm in the cells under resonances. Just a fleeting thought.Best regard,G

Hi ,

You may want to look into the Nanoknife technology, which uses a locally applied pulsed e-field via needle electrodes to achieve electroporation of tumor material.

from http://www.baptist-health.com/technology/nanoknife.asp

...."The Nano Knife system employs irreversible electroporation – a novel new in cancer treatment technology that uses a series of microsecond electrical pulses instead of extreme heat, freezing, radiation or microwave energy – to permanently open cell membranes in cancerous tumors. Once the cell membrane pores are opened, the death of the targeted cancer cells is induced. Surrounding veins, nerves and ducts within the targeted area are largely unaffected by the process around them, providing a compelling tool for procedures in difficult-to-treat parts of the body"...

It's my understanding this technology works even better than radio ablation, because there is less danger of destruction of surrounding blood vessels (bleeding problems) and other tissue destruction.

More information is at http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/devices/electroporation-knife-for-cancer

Best wishes,

Char

Re: Did Rife's MOR's actually work by resonance?

That is a something that has disturbed me when trying to understand how audio frequency could produce MOR. My guess is that it is the RF energy from the original plasma tube that actually did the MOR. I am not an expert in any field so please take my comments as general discussion. My wife has cancer for over five years starting with colon, lung, now a tumor in the spine. Her general health has degraded to critical because of chemo and radiation. I have read most of the alternatives over the past seven years and conclude that something better than the so called standard protocols for profit are not doing the job. After the harsh chemo therapies can no longer be tolerated They have offered something called Radio Frequency Ablation. I further understand there is also some experimental work using an injection of very small gold rods (like antenna size for a frequency) into the tumor and an RF frequency energy is absorbed (resonates on the rods) which heats and kill the tumor. My understanding cancer can be killed by heat. If any of this is out of line please advise. Not sure if I need to post to the individual or the group?

Jim

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