Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 This strain is waterborne as well. I'm working with the farmers to get independent testing of the water done and the health department is calling those families asking about other foods consumed, so there's no telling where it came from, but they certainly have no interest in clearing the milk. Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT & T mark ludeman wrote: >One of the local small diary farms has recently had a quite serious >potential E coli outbreak. I say potential because it well be several weeks >before the state gets backs it testing from the samples taken at the farm . >There is several under fifteen years old in the hospital tow with kidney >failure and eleven others that got sick so it is quite serious. This is >outside of portland oregon in wilsonville. > > >This has prompted me to learn alot more about E coli. I would appreciate > any info and or links anyone has one E coli especially in raw milk. Can it >occur. How does it occur? And how best to work with it. thanks >-- >mark ludeman >Healing pond farm >ludemans backyard farm and garden store. >ludemans.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yes i am very curious too and looking forward to the replies. These kind of outbreaks can make us raw milk drinkers who rely on farms nervous!! Not too far from ville . > > One of the local small diary farms has recently had a quite serious > potential E coli outbreak. I say potential because it well be several weeks > before the state gets backs it testing from the samples taken at the farm . > There is several under fifteen years old in the hospital tow with kidney > failure and eleven others that got sick so it is quite serious. This is > outside of portland oregon in wilsonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 E. Coli is in all manure, and most strains are harmless. Some studies have linked the virulent strains (aka O157:H7, etc...) to feeding distillers grains, and to high-stress situations (like shortly after calving). I think some of it may have to do with modern commercial dairy breeds, which produce such high volumes of milk, and as a consequence have to eat very high-potency feeds and place a lot of stress on the cow's system. I'm not an expert, but the Raw Milk Institute is developping some of this data and best practices information. -Bill > One of the local small diary farms has recently had a quite serious > potential E coli outbreak. I say potential because it well be several weeks > before the state gets backs it testing from the samples taken at the farm . > There is several under fifteen years old in the hospital tow with kidney > failure and eleven others that got sick so it is quite serious. This is > outside of portland oregon in wilsonville. > > > This has prompted me to learn alot more about E coli. I would appreciate > any info and or links anyone has one E coli especially in raw milk. Can it > occur. How does it occur? And how best to work with it. thanks > -- > mark ludeman > Healing pond farm > ludemans backyard farm and garden store. > ludemans.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Ive Read a Diet High in CORN products Pre or Post Distillery are a major Probable Cause.... > One of the local small diary farms has recently had a quite serious > potential E coli outbreak. I say potential because it well be several weeks > before the state gets backs it testing from the samples taken at the farm . > There is several under fifteen years old in the hospital tow with kidney > failure and eleven others that got sick so it is quite serious. This is > outside of portland oregon in wilsonville. > > > This has prompted me to learn alot more about E coli. I would appreciate > any info and or links anyone has one E coli especially in raw milk. Can it > occur. How does it occur? And how best to work with it. thanks > -- > mark ludeman > Healing pond farm > ludemans backyard farm and garden store. > ludemans.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Mark do you know anything about this farms practices? I have not seen any articles that actually go into diet, breeds, etc. I was wondering if they feed a lot of grains. > > One of the local small diary farms has recently had a quite serious > potential E coli outbreak. I say potential because it well be several weeks > before the state gets backs it testing from the samples taken at the farm . > There is several under fifteen years old in the hospital tow with kidney > failure and eleven others that got sick so it is quite serious. This is > outside of portland oregon in wilsonville. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Let it grow. I seldom graze anything less than knee high on our farm (no grain for 12 years ). Short grass has too much protein which causes problems with MUN and BUN, plus, it takes energy to process the excess protein. Energy that could be going for milk production and/or body condition, breed back, etc. A dairy cow only needs 15% to 16% total protein. Ever checked short grass? It can easily be in the mid 20's or higher. That's a lot of extra protein for the cow to process. By letting it get some height, the protein decreases and the fiber increases which makes a much better balance for the cow. Sulfur is supposed to help build more complete proteins, so adding some sulfur to deficient soil may help. Mineral levels and biology are vital to growing high quality pasture and eliminating grain. We want the nutrition to come through the grass. I've tested pasture samples that have the energy levels of corn silage (.83 NEL) with RFQ pushing 300 and total digestibility around 80% By contrast, standard " dairy quality " hay is usually in the 160-180 RFQ range, with NEL around .60 and digestibility around 60%. Dry grass/grass mix hay would be good to supplement with lush pasture, but I would avoid pure alfalfa as it has a lot of soluble protein that causes the same problems. I have alfalfa mixed in all of my pastures as it can give drought tolerance and variety, but not as a monoculture. For those in the South, your plants will lignify faster in the heat making them less digestible. I would try different heights to figure out how tall you can go without losing quality. Also, something like Japanese millet can give some great summer grazing. Cheyenne > > That's the struggle here in the Willamette Valley, OR. Lots of rain and short green grass. You try to rotate pastures, provide good quality hay, etc and sometimes you still end up with issues. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I don't know if there is a relation to protein other than excess protein puts stress on the cow. All diseases are opportunistic and will crop up when nutrition falters. E-coli is related to grain feeding, especially heavy grain like in the feed lots. Ruminants were not designed to eat grain. Even the studies done where they fed hay to those acidotic animals for a short time helped dramatically. If $science had any merit, that would have told them to end the heavy grain feeding immediately, but $cience isn't about truth! I posted my comments in relation to no grain feeding, and what I have experienced first hand that may help others. It may be possible to get somewhat acidotic feeding only short grass as the cow was designed to digest fiber. It takes some height to get decent fiber in the pasture. The cow makes buffer when she ruminates. Not enough ruminating on short grass. Cheyenne > > > > > > That's the struggle here in the Willamette Valley, OR. Lots of rain and > > short green grass. You try to rotate pastures, provide good quality hay, > > etc and sometimes you still end up with issues. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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