OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

[Guest guest]

Oh Please!, not Hertel again and then propagated by gobblidygook

globalhealingcenter.

What is next ? Newtonian Perpetual Motion ?

"

Dr. Hertel seems to have managed to gain this claimed following even

without producing the most basic of information that prospective

groupies should request: a specific, testable claim about what this

change in blood chemistry might be; or a single victim. He is best known

for his most publicized test. In 1989, he and seven fellow vegetarians

confined themselves to a hotel and consumed only milk and vegetables,

prepared in different ways, for two months. When he emerged, he

announced his results: That microwave ovens cause cancer and

degenerative diseases, despite no cases of cancer or illness among he or

his group. His research, if you want to call it that, was never peer

reviewed or published in any reputable journal, and yet it has become

the foundational magnum opus of the anti-microwave agenda.

You'll also find that there are a large number of studies out finding

changes to the nutritional content of food that has been microwaved, and

the Microwave Militia loves to point to these. Chemical reactions happen

whenever any food is cooked, so this has more to do with cooking than

with the cooking method. Moreover, such changes are generally well below

any perceptible threshold, and have always been found to be safe.

The Microwave Militia also makes claims such as microwave ovens are

illegal in Russia or other parts of Europe. This is just a straight-up

lie. Microwaves are perfectly legal in Russia and everywhere else in

Europe. In fact I was not able to find a single country in the world

that bans microwave ovens. They're regulated, of course, like all

electric appliances; but regulation should not be mischaracterized as a ban.

So what's the sum total of our evidence? Billions of people have been

eating microwaved food for decades, with no ill effects, and no

plausible expectation of ill effects. The best evidence put forward by

anti-microwave activists is based on shameless lies and irresponsibly

bad science. Thus, a truly skeptical process leads us to the conclusion

that there's nothing at all wrong with microwaving your food. However,

I'm drinking coffee right now made from microwaved water, and it's

entirely possible that this has caused profound mental aberration, and

made me spout nonsense.

"

Darlene Vidrine wrote:

>

>

> Here's some scientific facts for you! To read the rest of this very

> interesting and SCIENTIFIC article go to:

>

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/health-hazards-to-know-about/microwave-ovens-\

the-proven-dangers

>

>

[Guest guest]

As a new member here I gotta say that this discussion is getting ridiculous and out of hand and it’s OVERWHELMING me (and my inbox)!!  Some people may choose to not use a microwave, but others choose to.  It’s a personal choice.  Why do we need to argue about the reasons?  Who cares if you are an MD and trust science or a regular person who doesn’t?  I personally choose to not use a microwave because I feel that it alters my food.  Whether it does on a molecular level or not ~ I can taste a difference and the texture is different.  So to me that says that something is being changed.  Does science prove this?  I don’t really care, because I know what I personally experience.  If a baby cannot be fed microwaved breast milk and survive, or a person cannot be injected with a blood transfusion that has been warmed in a microwave then what does that tell you about the changes that take place?  To me it’s common sense here.  I don’t really care what anyone else thinks about it.  It was a personal decision me and my household made. I joined this group to learn more info about raw milk and what’s happening in that area ~ not to be bombarded by a bunch of emails that are nothing more than people arguing about opinions. From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of LvSent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:24 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days Oh Please!, not Hertel again and then propagated by gobblidygookglobalhealingcenter.What is next ? Newtonian Perpetual Motion ? " Dr. Hertel seems to have managed to gain this claimed following evenwithout producing the most basic of information that prospectivegroupies should request: a specific, testable claim about what thischange in blood chemistry might be; or a single victim. He is best knownfor his most publicized test. In 1989, he and seven fellow vegetariansconfined themselves to a hotel and consumed only milk and vegetables,prepared in different ways, for two months. When he emerged, heannounced his results: That microwave ovens cause cancer anddegenerative diseases, despite no cases of cancer or illness among he orhis group. His research, if you want to call it that, was never peerreviewed or published in any reputable journal, and yet it has becomethe foundational magnum opus of the anti-microwave agenda.You'll also find that there are a large number of studies out findingchanges to the nutritional content of food that has been microwaved, andthe Microwave Militia loves to point to these. Chemical reactions happenwhenever any food is cooked, so this has more to do with cooking thanwith the cooking method. Moreover, such changes are generally well belowany perceptible threshold, and have always been found to be safe.The Microwave Militia also makes claims such as microwave ovens areillegal in Russia or other parts of Europe. This is just a straight-uplie. Microwaves are perfectly legal in Russia and everywhere else inEurope. In fact I was not able to find a single country in the worldthat bans microwave ovens. They're regulated, of course, like allelectric appliances; but regulation should not be mischaracterized as a ban.So what's the sum total of our evidence? Billions of people have beeneating microwaved food for decades, with no ill effects, and noplausible expectation of ill effects. The best evidence put forward byanti-microwave activists is based on shameless lies and irresponsiblybad science. Thus, a truly skeptical process leads us to the conclusionthat there's nothing at all wrong with microwaving your food. However,I'm drinking coffee right now made from microwaved water, and it'sentirely possible that this has caused profound mental aberration, andmade me spout nonsense. " Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > Here's some scientific facts for you! To read the rest of this very > interesting and SCIENTIFIC article go to: > http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/health-hazards-to-know-about/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers> >

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I have to comment, sorry. Yes, this has gotten out of control, but I

have to. You mention common sense, then mention the nonsense about the

blood. If even one cell of blood gets cooked, then it will kill a

person. A microwave is not a precision heater, so expecting to heat

blood in it and have it safe for a transfusion is not common sense.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

>

>

> As a new member here I gotta say that this discussion is getting

> ridiculous and out of hand and it’s OVERWHELMING me (and my inbox)!!

>

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If a baby

> cannot be fed microwaved breast milk and survive, or a person cannot be

> injected with a blood transfusion that has been warmed in a microwave

> then what does that tell you about the changes that take place? */To

> me/* it’s common sense here. I don’t really care what anyone else

> thinks about it. It was a personal decision me and my household made.

>

[Guest guest]



couldn't agree more!

Matt

RE: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

As a new member here I gotta say that this discussion is getting ridiculous and out of hand and it’s OVERWHELMING me (and my inbox)!! Some people may choose to not use a microwave, but others choose to. It’s a personal choice. Why do we need to argue about the reasons? Who cares if you are an MD and trust science or a regular person who doesn’t? I personally choose to not use a microwave because I feel that it alters my food. Whether it does on a molecular level or not ~ I can taste a difference and the texture is different. So to me that says that something is being changed. Does science prove this? I don’t really care, because I know what I personally experience. If a baby cannot be fed microwaved breast milk and survive, or a person cannot be injected with a blood transfusion that has been warmed in a microwave then what does that tell you about the changes that take place? To me it’s common sense here. I don’t really care what anyone else thinks about it. It was a personal decision me and my household made.

I joined this group to learn more info about raw milk and what’s happening in that area ~ not to be bombarded by a bunch of emails that are nothing more than people arguing about opinions.

From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of LvSent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:24 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

Oh Please!, not Hertel again and then propagated by gobblidygookglobalhealingcenter.What is next ? Newtonian Perpetual Motion ?"Dr. Hertel seems to have managed to gain this claimed following evenwithout producing the most basic of information that prospectivegroupies should request: a specific, testable claim about what thischange in blood chemistry might be; or a single victim. He is best knownfor his most publicized test. In 1989, he and seven fellow vegetariansconfined themselves to a hotel and consumed only milk and vegetables,prepared in different ways, for two months. When he emerged, heannounced his results: That microwave ovens cause cancer anddegenerative diseases, despite no cases of cancer or illness among he orhis group. His research, if you want to call it that, was never peerreviewed or published in any reputable journal, and yet it has becomethe foundational magnum opus of the anti-microwave agenda.You'll also find that there are a large number of studies out findingchanges to the nutritional content of food that has been microwaved, andthe Microwave Militia loves to point to these. Chemical reactions happenwhenever any food is cooked, so this has more to do with cooking thanwith the cooking method. Moreover, such changes are generally well belowany perceptible threshold, and have always been found to be safe.The Microwave Militia also makes claims such as microwave ovens areillegal in Russia or other parts of Europe. This is just a straight-uplie. Microwaves are perfectly legal in Russia and everywhere else inEurope. In fact I was not able to find a single country in the worldthat bans microwave ovens. They're regulated, of course, like allelectric appliances; but regulation should not be mischaracterized as a ban.So what's the sum total of our evidence? Billions of people have beeneating microwaved food for decades, with no ill effects, and noplausible expectation of ill effects. The best evidence put forward byanti-microwave activists is based on shameless lies and irresponsiblybad science. Thus, a truly skeptical process leads us to the conclusionthat there's nothing at all wrong with microwaving your food. However,I'm drinking coffee right now made from microwaved water, and it'sentirely possible that this has caused profound mental aberration, andmade me spout nonsense."Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > Here's some scientific facts for you! To read the rest of this very > interesting and SCIENTIFIC article go to: > http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/health-hazards-to-know-about/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers> >

[Guest guest]

They don't all have turntables, but even if they do

you'll get concentric circles of superheated food.

> > Greetings,

> > But microwaves, even from back in the 80s had turntables in them. That

> > is why. I have elements on my stove that do the same thing, hot and

> > cold spots, so I have to turn the pan.

> >

> > Any high temperature cooking is going to denature protein, low

> > temperature cooking is best. And keep food as rare as possible.

> >

> > Bright Blessings,

> > Garth & Kim

> > www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

> > Bedias, Texas

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> " A basic hypothesis of natural medicine states that the introduction

> into the human body of molecules and energies, to which it is not

> accustomed, is much more likely to cause harm than good.

Not a scientific article. Not a scientific statement.

Every time you eat a food you've never had before, you're likely to be

introducing molecules to which your body is not accustomed. And

energies? The microwave energy is not retained in the food, so it is

not introduced into the body. Sitting in the microwave would introduce

energy harmful to your body. In microwaved food, the energy is retained

in the food in the form of heat--that is, water molecules (and other

molecules) bending and stretching and doing the Hokey Pokey a lot faster

than they were before the microwave adventure.

You can get the same effect by holding the food close to a higher

temperature body such as a stove burner, or by immersing the food in a

higher temperature fluid, such as a pan of hot water. The molecules get

warmer; that is, they move faster.

If you don't like microwaved food, don't eat it. If you think microwave

ovens aren't safe, don't use them. I think the jury is still out on

them; I am trying to use mine less. When my coffee is cold, however,

the potential ill effects of not enough caffeine to function way

outweigh the potential ill effects of microwave irradiated food to my

body, at least in my mind. That is to say, real effects of falling

asleep on the job, versus highly unlikely but just barely possible ill

effects from using the microwave.

However I will say that boiling water for tea in the microwave does seem

to yield a different product from boiling water on the stove. I think

that's because the energy is distributed unevenly, but the water will

foam and behave funny when the teabag is added to water heated in the

microwave. I really liked the " microwaved water kills the plants "

study, and planned to replicate it in my own kitchen, although I can't

think of any reason why it would work. But if the youngster who carried

out the experiment couldn't even be bothered to treat the microwaved and

conventionally heated water the same in every other respect than mode of

heating, there is no reason to replicate the experiment. There is

plenty of experimental slop to explain the differences, and I am left

with my gut feeling that there is no meaningful difference in the cooled

water. There can't be.

Raw milk is an entirely different subject. There are no real risks to

not using the microwave, unless you count the small risk that I won't

drink enough coffee if I can't reheat. In fact I can just drink it cold

or make fresh. But there are real risks to drinking pasteurized milk,

or probably to drinking no milk, although everybody has an opinion on

that one.

Years ago the government and the " scientific community " told me to eat a

low fat diet so I'd be healthy, and I tried to. Now I'm diabetic and

much less likely to listen when the government and the scientific

community starts telling me what to eat. Until they 'fess up about the

misdirection they've been guilty of regarding " complex carbs " , I can't

really get concerned about whatever they're trying to ram down my throat

this time. People have lived and thrived on raw milk forever, and since

we started pasteurizing it we all have heart disease. Go scientific

community. Yeah, maybe once in a blue moon someone dies of a bacterial

infection that may or may not have something to do with their fresh

dairy supply. Every blessed day thousands of people die of heart

disease. Is that caused by pasteurized milk? Who knows, because nobody

will do the study, and if they did, they'd misinterpret the data so that

it fit the conventional wisdom, or their study wouldn't get published,

because their peers reviewing it would think it's a bad study because it

doesn't fit the conventional wisdom. Life is hard for truth that

doesn't fit the conventional wisdom. In the meantime the government and

the scientific community will keep telling us to eat a highcarb diet and

drink skim pasteurized milk, and take a statin and an aspirin everyday.

And I will keep trying to lowcarb, and drink real milk, and not take the

deadly pills.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone (except, of course, the whole

scientific community, which will come around but not in time for me).

You can all keep doing as you like, and enjoy it.

Blessings,