OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

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In a science fair project, Arielle Reynolds a secondary school student in Sussex, demonstrated the effects of micro waved water fed to two genetically identical plants over a period of nine days. This is a great article which includes a good overview of the health hazards of Microwave ovens, the Russian research on the subject, and a summary with photographs of the students experiment. I am very excited about students doing this experiment, especially homeschoolers. This experiment can be done as a proper double blind experiment, by having one student set up the plants and water, marking the bottles A and B, and having the second student taking the bottles and marking the plants A and B, and the first student not even being in the same building as the second student until the 9 days are over. Fantastic. CharlieExeland, WI Some time ago, I stopped using a mirowave for everthing except heating water for coffee. I am completely done now. http://preventdisease.com/news/12/041712_Students-Experiment-Shows-How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days.shtml

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This experiment sounds exactly like the disingenuous attacks on raw milk

using kids cookie experiments as scientific fact.

I grew up on raw milk and could not get it anymore after I finished

University. Only recently I got so fedup with store bought puss, that I

got a cowshare. I already see a lot of positive changes to both my body

and health.

That said, back to this uwave claim.

Show me the lab results. I have kids, and the results they get with

school science projects is usually exactly what they want to get until I

point their biases out to them. She probably fed the plants with either

luke warm microwave water, which will kill the plant systematically if

it's roots are for a different zone than the temperature it is fed with,

or she did not let the water stand overnight so it can oxiginate again.

Water void with oxygen will inhibit root growth and can cause it to

retract regardless whether it is microwaved or not.

In fact, when I heard about these claims a couple of years ago, I gave

my houseplants microwaved water I left standing overnight to get at

exactly room temperature.

The plants thrived, and there was no difference. I could not repeat and

verify the results of the claim.

Absolute garbage imo.

N. Rutledge wrote:

>

>

> In a science fair project, Arielle Reynolds a secondary school student

> in Sussex, demonstrated the effects of micro waved water fed to two

> genetically identical plants over a period of nine days.

>

> This is a great article which includes a good overview of the health

> hazards of Microwave ovens, the Russian research on the subject, and a

> summary with photographs of the students experiment.

>

> I am very excited about students doing this experiment, especially

> homeschoolers. This experiment can be done as a proper double blind

> experiment, by having one student set up the plants and water, marking

> the bottles A and B, and having the second student taking the bottles

> and marking the plants A and B, and the first student not even being in

> the same building as the second student until the 9 days are over.

> Fantastic.

>

> Charlie

> Exeland, WI

>

> Some time ago, I stopped using a mirowave for everthing except heating

> water for coffee. I am completely done now.

>

>

>

http://preventdisease.com/news/12/041712_Students-Experiment-Shows-How-Microwave\

d-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days.shtml

>

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Greetings,

Any high temperature cooking, denatures protein. The method is not the

problem, it is how fast you cook food. The temperatures used in Chinese

restaurants are just as bad as a microwave. Protein should be cooked at

low temperatures, such as solar cooking for healthy food.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

>

>

> Go to pubmed and search about how microwaving changes protiens and see

> for yourself that they are not recommended.

> Debbie Chikousky

> Manitoba, Canada

> www.chikouskyfarms.com <http://www.chikouskyfarms.com>

> " For every human illness, somewhere in the world there exists a plant

> which is the cure. " Rudolph Steiner

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> How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

>

> Greetings,

>

> If that is the silly study my sister sent me, the kid deserved an F.

> The containers used were all different. The container used for

> microwaved water would have killed the plants if water had been frozen

> in it. It was cheap plastic. The stove was a different material,

> either glass or metal and the frozen yet again a another material. The

> study has so many variables it didn't prove a thing.

>

> Actually, yes it did, it proved that many adults don't know what

> constitutes real knowledge any more than a stupid child.

>

> Bright Blessings,

> Garth & Kim

> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

> Bedias, Texas

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a science fair project, Arielle Reynolds a secondary school

> student

> > in Sussex, demonstrated the effects of micro waved water fed to two

> > genetically identical plants over a period of nine days.

> >

> > This is a great article which includes a good overview of the health

> > hazards of Microwave ovens, the Russian research on the subject,

> and a

> > summary with photographs of the students experiment.

> >

> > I am very excited about students doing this experiment, especially

> > homeschoolers. This experiment can be done as a proper double blind

> > experiment, by having one student set up the plants and water,

> marking

> > the bottles A and B, and having the second student taking the bottles

> > and marking the plants A and B, and the first student not even

> being in

> > the same building as the second student until the 9 days are over.

> > Fantastic.

> >

> > Charlie

> > Exeland, WI

> >

> > Some time ago, I stopped using a mirowave for everthing except

> heating

> > water for coffee. I am completely done now.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Greetings,

I totally agree, it is not for cooking. As a reheating device, it is

fantastic, but I never actually cook in it. But the best use we have

for ours is heating wet towels to wash the teats on our cows and heating

the bed warmers in the winter.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

> Exactly right, to name but one of the greater evils than uwaves.

> High heat changes everything even the taste fundamentally compared to

> low heat.

>

> The big problem with a microwave is how people use it. I can use a

> tractor to destroy a house if I want..

>

>

> Garth & Kim wrote:

>> Greetings,

>> Any high temperature cooking, denatures protein. The method is not the

>> problem, it is how fast you cook food. The temperatures used in Chinese

>> restaurants are just as bad as a microwave. Protein should be cooked at

>> low temperatures, such as solar cooking for healthy food.

>>

>> Bright Blessings,

>> Garth & Kim

>> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

>> Bedias, Texas

>

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[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I totally agree, it is not for cooking. As a reheating

device, it is

fantastic, but I never actually cook in it. But the best

use we have

for ours is heating wet towels to wash the teats on our

cows and heating

the bed warmers in the winter.

....also heating a sock filled with dry raw rice.

Put that across your neck or shoulders or whatever hurts.

You can be fancy and sew it shut, or just be lazy like me and use a

really long sock and tie the end.

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Isn't there a problem with microwaves often leaking radiation or is that a myth?

[Guest guest]

microwave information http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx To: RawDairy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

Isn't there a problem with microwaves often leaking radiation or is that a myth?

[Guest guest]

I think the specific problem with a microwave is that

it doesn't heat evenly. It superheats some areas while

not heating others. My electronics teacher at the school

I went to had a classroom demonstration where he'd put

a large chocolate bar in the school microwave for a few

seconds and than show us the pattern where parts of the

chocolate bar had melted while the rest was still solid.

The melted parts were in a gridlike pattern, with nodes

about half an inch apart.

Now when you cook with a microwave, the hot areas heat

the surrounding areas and the temperature averages out.

But you still have those spots that have been superheated,

and who knows what undesireable chemical changes were

happening to the food in those spots.

I don't really understand why there would be a problem

with heating water in the microwave though. No protein

in water -- unless a bug lands in it or something.

> > >

> > >

> > > In a science fair project, Arielle Reynolds a secondary school

> > student

> > > in Sussex, demonstrated the effects of micro waved water fed to two

> > > genetically identical plants over a period of nine days.

> > >

> > > This is a great article which includes a good overview of the health

> > > hazards of Microwave ovens, the Russian research on the subject,

> > and a

> > > summary with photographs of the students experiment.

> > >

> > > I am very excited about students doing this experiment, especially

> > > homeschoolers. This experiment can be done as a proper double blind

> > > experiment, by having one student set up the plants and water,

> > marking

> > > the bottles A and B, and having the second student taking the bottles

> > > and marking the plants A and B, and the first student not even

> > being in

> > > the same building as the second student until the 9 days are over.

> > > Fantastic.

> > >

> > > Charlie

> > > Exeland, WI

> > >

> > > Some time ago, I stopped using a mirowave for everthing except

> > heating

> > > water for coffee. I am completely done now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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They are designed to be completely shielded, so theoretically, it all stays inside. General consensus (whether you are for or against microwave use) is to stand back about 3-5 feet for health security as federal standards allow for 5 milliwatts of leakage when measured 2 inches away.

If your microwave is broken, the door doesn't seal tightly or has a crack, I would say it is not very safe for use or at the very least, leave the room when it is operating.

Personally, I use it as rarely as possible - too many unanswered questions and issues to make it worthwhile to me. I do love how it sanitizes and of course the airtight seal makes it a perfect storage area for breads.

As for speed, I don't find it very handy. I can take 5 oven proof plates of leftovers and warmt hem in the oven faster than int he microwave and the food comes out with a better taste and texture than if it had been warmed in the microwave.

Audrey

To: RawDairy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:28:43 PMSubject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

Isn't there a problem with microwaves often leaking radiation or is that a myth?

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Greetings,

But microwaves, even from back in the 80s had turntables in them. That

is why. I have elements on my stove that do the same thing, hot and

cold spots, so I have to turn the pan.

Any high temperature cooking is going to denature protein, low

temperature cooking is best. And keep food as rare as possible.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

> I think the specific problem with a microwave is that

> it doesn't heat evenly. It superheats some areas while

> not heating others. My electronics teacher at the school

> I went to had a classroom demonstration where he'd put

> a large chocolate bar in the school microwave for a few

> seconds and than show us the pattern where parts of the

> chocolate bar had melted while the rest was still solid.

> The melted parts were in a gridlike pattern, with nodes

> about half an inch apart.

>

> Now when you cook with a microwave, the hot areas heat

> the surrounding areas and the temperature averages out.

> But you still have those spots that have been superheated,

> and who knows what undesireable chemical changes were

> happening to the food in those spots.

>

> I don't really understand why there would be a problem

> with heating water in the microwave though. No protein

> in water -- unless a bug lands in it or something.

>

>

>

>

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > In a science fair project, Arielle Reynolds a secondary school

>>> student

>>> > in Sussex, demonstrated the effects of micro waved water fed to two

>>> > genetically identical plants over a period of nine days.

>>> >

>>> > This is a great article which includes a good overview of the

health

>>> > hazards of Microwave ovens, the Russian research on the subject,

>>> and a

>>> > summary with photographs of the students experiment.

>>> >

>>> > I am very excited about students doing this experiment, especially

>>> > homeschoolers. This experiment can be done as a proper double blind

>>> > experiment, by having one student set up the plants and water,

>>> marking

>>> > the bottles A and B, and having the second student taking the

bottles

>>> > and marking the plants A and B, and the first student not even

>>> being in

>>> > the same building as the second student until the 9 days are over.

>>> > Fantastic.

>>> >

>>> > Charlie

>>> > Exeland, WI

>>> >

>>> > Some time ago, I stopped using a mirowave for everthing except

>>> heating

>>> > water for coffee. I am completely done now.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>>

http://preventdisease.com/news/12/041712_Students-Experiment-Shows-How-Microwave\

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[Guest guest]

I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it and

it improves my health tremendously.

I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovens

is getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.

The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for

manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still

soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.

I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday

cage and will therefore be dangerous.

I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the

1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a

motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the

stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller,

they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let

it cool down first - go figure......

That is Russian modern commercial technology.

Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you

heard right wood.

They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they

are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and

years of

socialism by which there were no consumer protection.

Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,

you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.

The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-much

higher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.

As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that with

authority, claims that radiation is good for people.

The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymen

in any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anything

you choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blown

into balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as the

gospel.

So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using a

microwave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is really

going on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves in

a complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,

Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.

People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scares

them.

Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than

any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going

outside ?

Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogens

on your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stop

grilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made the

trade-off!

Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation of

abstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (because

there is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for

you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is a

risk o contracting bacterial infections.

I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink raw

milk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at the

statistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.

I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the cause

of raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.

Darlene Vidrine wrote:

>

>

> microwave information

>

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.\

aspx

>

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.asp\

x

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly.

Garth & Kim wrote:

> Greetings,

> But microwaves, even from back in the 80s had turntables in them. That

> is why. I have elements on my stove that do the same thing, hot and

> cold spots, so I have to turn the pan.

>

> Any high temperature cooking is going to denature protein, low

> temperature cooking is best. And keep food as rare as possible.

>

> Bright Blessings,

> Garth & Kim

> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

> Bedias, Texas

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the scientific explanation. However, I choose not to use a microwave oven in my home. There may be many other vehicles of radiation or unsafe flows from tvs, computers, etc all around my home. But if I can omit just one or two or as many as I can, then I think the health of my family will benefit. In my opinion, raw milk (and all forms of naturally grown and raised foods) is a way of life. For my family, anyway. It is a getting back to nature and living the way God intended us to live. Conveniences are great! But not at the risk of my family's health. We have seen so much improvement in our health since we've changed our way of life. Some families may have a very strong constitution where their bodies can fight almost any invader. But in some homes it

only takes a small seepage of some invasive substance to trigger allergies, health issues, etc. It is not a matter of paranoia (as you suggest), but living as naturally as we can get by with.I don't intend to offend anyone....but I think there's a little more to wanting to do without a microwave for some people. God bless you,Darlene From: Lv

To: RawDairy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:44 AM Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it and

it improves my health tremendously.

I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovens

is getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.

The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for

manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still

soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.

I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday

cage and will therefore be dangerous.

I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the

1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a

motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the

stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller,

they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let

it cool down first - go figure......

That is Russian modern commercial technology.

Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you

heard right wood.

They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they

are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and

years of

socialism by which there were no consumer protection.

Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,

you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.

The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-much

higher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.

As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that with

authority, claims that radiation is good for people.

The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymen

in any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anything

you choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blown

into balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as the

gospel.

So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using a

microwave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is really

going on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves in

a complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,

Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.

People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scares

them.

Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than

any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going

outside ?

Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogens

on your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stop

grilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made the

trade-off!

Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation of

abstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (because

there is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for

you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is a

risk o contracting bacterial infections.

I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink raw

milk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at the

statistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.

I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the cause

of raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.

Darlene Vidrine wrote:

>

>

> microwave information

>

> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx

>

> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx

>

[Guest guest]



I have also chosen not to use a micro wave oven, many years ago. And it ain't from no science! I can't stand the flavor or texture of food cooked in one! it is disgusting on both counts! I don't know what they do to the food.........but it ain't cooked like normal cookin'..........I'll take it so it tastes like real food not like plastic or what, I don't know!!!

Matt

Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it andit improves my health tremendously.I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovensis getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday cage and will therefore be dangerous.I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the 1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller, they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let it cool down first - go figure......That is Russian modern commercial technology.Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you heard right wood.They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and years ofsocialism by which there were no consumer protection.Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-muchhigher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that withauthority, claims that radiation is good for people.The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymenin any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anythingyou choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blowninto balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as thegospel.So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using amicrowave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is reallygoing on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves ina complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scaresthem.Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going outside ?Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogenson your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stopgrilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made thetrade-off!Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation ofabstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (becausethere is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is arisk o contracting bacterial infections.I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink rawmilk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at thestatistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the causeof raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > microwave information> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx>

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Here's some scientific facts for you! To read the rest of this very interesting and SCIENTIFIC article go to: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/health-hazards-to-know-about/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers Scientific evidence and factsIn Comparative Study of Food Prepared Conventionally and in the Microwave Oven, published by Raum & Zelt in 1992, at 3(2): 43, it states"A basic hypothesis of natural medicine states that the introduction into the human body of molecules and energies, to which it is not accustomed, is much more likely to cause

harm than good. Microwaved food contains both molecules and energies not present in food cooked in the way humans have been cooking food since the discovery of fire. Microwave energy from the sun and other stars is direct current based. Artificially produced microwaves, including those in ovens, are produced from alternating current and force a billion or more polarity reversals per second in every food molecule they hit. Production of unnatural molecules is inevitable. Naturally occurring amino acids have been observed to undergo isomeric changes (changes in shape morphing) as well as transformation into toxic forms, under the impact of microwaves produced in ovens.One short-term study found significant and disturbing changes in the blood of individuals consuming microwaved milk and vegetables. Eight volunteers ate various combinations of the same foods cooked different ways. All foods that were processed through the microwave ovens caused

changes in the blood of the volunteers. Hemoglobin levels decreased and over all white cell levels and cholesterol levels increased. Lymphocytes decreased.Luminescent (light-emitting) bacteria were employed to detect energetic changes in the blood. Significant increases were found in the luminescence of these bacteria when exposed to blood serum obtained after the consumption of microwaved food."The Swiss clinical studyDr. Hans ulrich Hertel, who is now retired, worked as a food scientist for many years with one of the major Swiss food companies that do business on a global scale. A few years ago, he was fired from his job for questioning certain processing procedures that denatured the food.In 1991, he and a Lausanne university professor published a research paper indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a greater risk to health than food cooked by conventional means. An article

also appeared in issue 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which it was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancerous effects on the blood. The research paper itself followed the article. On the cover of the magazine there was a picture of the Grim Reaper holding a microwave oven in one of his hands.Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on the blood and physiology of the human body. His small, but well controlled, study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and, changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the university

Institute for Biochemistry.In intervals of two to five days, the volunteers in the study received one of the following food variants on an empty stomach: (1) raw milk; (2) the same milk conventionally cooked; (3) pasteurized milk; (4) the same raw milks cooked in a microwave oven; (5) raw vegetables from an organic farm; (6) the same vegetables cooked conventionally; (7) the same vegetables frozen and defrosted in a microwave oven; and (8) the same vegetables cooked in the microwave oven. Once the volunteers were isolated, blood samples were taken from every volunteer immediately before eating. Then, blood samples were taken at defined intervals after eating from the above milk or vegetable preparations.Significant changes were discovered in the blood samples from the intervals following the foods cooked in the microwave oven. These changes included a decrease in all hemoglobin and cholesterol values, especially the ratio of HDL

(good cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values. Lymphocytes (white blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants. Each of these indicators pointed to degeneration.Additionally, there was a highly significant association between the amount of microwave energy in the test foods and the luminous power of luminescent bacteria exposed to serum from test persons who ate that food.This led Dr. Hertel to the conclusion that such technically derived energies may, indeed, be passed along to man inductively via eating microwaved food. According to Dr. Hertel, "Leukocytosis, which cannot be accounted for by normal daily deviations, is taken very seriously by hemotologists. Leukocytes are often signs of pathogenic effects on the living system, such as poisoning and cell damage. The increase of leukocytes with the microwaved foods were more

pronounced than with all the other variants. It appears that these marked increases were caused entirely by ingesting the microwaved substances."This process is based on physical principles and has already been confirmed in the literature. The apparent additional energy exhibited by the luminescent bacteria was merely an extra confirmation. There is extensive scientific literature concerning the hazardous effects of direct microwave radiation on living systems. It is astonishing, therefore, to realize how little effort has been taken to replace this detrimental technique of microwaves with technology more in accordance with nature.Technically produced microwaves are based on the principle of alternating current. Atoms, molecules, and cells hit by this hard electromagnetic radiation are forced to reverse polarity 1-100 billion times a second. There are no atoms, molecules or cells of any organic system able to withstand such a

violent, destructive power for any extended period of time, not even in the low energy range of milliwatts.Of all the natural substances -- which are polar -- the oxygen of water molecules reacts most sensitively. This is how microwave cooking heat is generated -- friction from this violence in water molecules. Structures of molecules are torn apart, molecules are forcefully deformed, called structural isomerism, and thus become impaired in quality. This is contrary to conventional heating of food where heat transfers convectionally from without to within. Cooking by microwaves begins within the cells and molecules where water is present and where the energy is transformed into frictional heat.In addition to the violent frictional heat effects, called thermic effects, there are also athermic effects which have hardly ever been taken into account. These athermic effects are not presently measurable, but they can also deform the

structures of molecules and have qualitative consequences. For example the weakening of cell membranes by microwaves is used in the field of gene altering technology. Because of the force involved, the cells are actually broken, thereby neutralizing the electrical potentials, the very life of the cells, between the outer and inner side of the cell membranes. Impaired cells become easy prey for viruses, fungi and other microorganisms. The natural repair mechanisms are suppressed and cells are forced to adapt to a state of energy emergency -- they switch from aerobic to anaerobic respiration. Instead of water and carbon dioxide, the cell poisons hydrogen peroxide and carbon monoxide are produced."The same violent deformations that occur in our bodies, when we are directly exposed to radar or microwaves, also occur in the molecules of foods cooked in a microwave oven. This radiation results in the destruction and deformation of

food molecules. Microwaving also creates new compounds, called radiolytic compounds, which are unknown fusions not found in nature. Radiolytic compounds are created by molecular decomposition - decay - as a direct result of radiation.Microwave oven manufacturers insist that microwaved and irradiated foods do not have any significantly higher radiolytic compounds than do broiled, baked or other conventionally cooked foods. The scientific clinical evidence presented here has shown that this is simply a lie. In America, neither universities nor the federal government have conducted any tests concerning the effects on our bodies from eating microwaved foods. Isn't that a bit odd? They're more concerned with studies on what happens if the door on a microwave oven doesn't close properly. Once again, common sense tells us that their attention should be centered on what happens to food cooked inside a microwave oven. Since people ingest this altered

food, shouldn't there be concern for how the same decayed molecules will affect our own human biological cell structure?Industry's action to hide the truthAs soon as Doctors Hertel and Blanc published their results, the authorities reacted. A powerful trade organization, the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electro-apparatuses for Households and Industry, known as FEA, struck swiftly in 1992. They forced the President of the Court of Seftigen, Canton of Bern, to issue a "gag order" against Drs. Hertel and Blanc. In March 1993, Dr. Hertel was convicted for "interfering with commerce" and prohibited from further publishing his results. However, Dr. Hertel stood his ground and fought this decision over the years.Not long ago, this decision was reversed in a judgment delivered in Strasbourg, Austria, on August 25, 1998. The European Court of Human Rights held that there had been a violation of Hertel's rights in

the 1993 decision. The European Court of Human Rights also ruled that the "gag order" issued by the Swiss court in 1992 against Dr. Hertel, prohibiting him from declaring that microwave ovens are dangerous to human health, was contrary to the right to freedom of expression. In addition, Switzerland was ordered to pay Dr. Hertel compensation. To: RawDairy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days



I have also chosen not to use a micro wave oven, many years ago. And it ain't from no science! I can't stand the flavor or texture of food cooked in one! it is disgusting on both counts! I don't know what they do to the food.........but it ain't cooked like normal cookin'..........I'll take it so it tastes like real food not like plastic or what, I don't know!!!

Matt

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I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it andit improves my health tremendously.I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovensis getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday cage and will therefore be dangerous.I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the 1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller, they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let it cool down first - go figure......That is Russian modern commercial technology.Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you heard right wood.They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and years ofsocialism by which there were no consumer protection.Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-muchhigher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that withauthority, claims that radiation is good for people.The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymenin any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anythingyou choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blowninto balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as thegospel.So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using amicrowave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is reallygoing on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves ina complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scaresthem.Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going outside ?Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogenson your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stopgrilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made thetrade-off!Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation ofabstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (becausethere is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is arisk o contracting bacterial infections.I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink rawmilk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at thestatistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the causeof raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > microwave information> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx>

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I don't doubt the science! I have an inherent suspicion of food that tastes strange like that, I don't doubt that science( That showsthe danger of Microwaves) , even if that makes me an ignoramus by educated folks, after all its the PhDs that have brought us Monsanto, and the huge pharma, pasteurized milk mafia etc.

I am not against PhDs their are good ones.............but a PhD does not mean all good. The basic character of an individual before and after they get their PhD is what determines good and bad. There are many that have used their advanced education for great evil. So please don't flash a PhD badge and think we automatically reverence the ground you walk on. A PhD can be mislead as well as anyone, they are still humans, and have not reached any greater level of humanity just by the achievement of an "education"and they can still do great harm if they are not led by the right motives.

OK all you Higherly educated you can firestorm me now!

Matt

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I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it andit improves my health tremendously.I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovensis getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday cage and will therefore be dangerous.I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the 1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller, they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let it cool down first - go figure......That is Russian modern commercial technology.Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you heard right wood.They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and years ofsocialism by which there were no consumer protection.Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-muchhigher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that withauthority, claims that radiation is good for people.The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymenin any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anythingyou choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blowninto balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as thegospel.So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using amicrowave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is reallygoing on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves ina complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scaresthem.Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going outside ?Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogenson your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stopgrilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made thetrade-off!Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation ofabstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (becausethere is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is arisk o contracting bacterial infections.I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink rawmilk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at thestatistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the causeof raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > microwave information> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx>

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Thanks, Matt. Very down to earth. I agree 100% Darlene To: RawDairy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days



I don't doubt the science! I have an inherent suspicion of food that tastes strange like that, I don't doubt that science( That showsthe danger of Microwaves) , even if that makes me an ignoramus by educated folks, after all its the PhDs that have brought us Monsanto, and the huge pharma, pasteurized milk mafia etc.

I am not against PhDs their are good ones.............but a PhD does not mean all good. The basic character of an individual before and after they get their PhD is what determines good and bad. There are many that have used their advanced education for great evil. So please don't flash a PhD badge and think we automatically reverence the ground you walk on. A PhD can be mislead as well as anyone, they are still humans, and have not reached any greater level of humanity just by the achievement of an "education"and they can still do great harm if they are not led by the right motives.

OK all you Higherly educated you can firestorm me now!

Matt

Re: OT: How-Microwaved-Water-Kills-Plants-After-Just-Days

I use raw milk and I understand the risk doing so, grew up with it andit improves my health tremendously.I find it Ironic that this discussion about the hazards of uwave ovensis getting so much traction on a raw-milk group.The Russians, intelligent as they may be, are notorious for manufacturing really dangerous and bad commercial products. It is still soviet-era commercial products. Think east-german Trabant Lada etc.I will never use a Russian uwave as it will not have a proper faraday cage and will therefore be dangerous.I currently have Russian made Milk separators and are appalled at the 1910 electrical components it use. This is a modern separator, with a motor that overheats after 10 minutes of use, as it has no fan on the stator etc causing the iron core to overheat. Contacting the seller, they say it is normal, after 10 mins you need to switch it off and let it cool down first - go figure......That is Russian modern commercial technology.Most of their earlier satellites had WOOD in the construction, yes you heard right wood.They are a very-very intelligent people, don't get me wrong, but they are way behind the curve regarding consumer safety due to years and years ofsocialism by which there were no consumer protection.Point is, if you are so worried about the effects of using a uwave oven,you should not be drinking raw milk and definitely not be eating any fruit.The risks of death eating fruit and drinking raw-milk is much-much-muchhigher than the risk of death using a WESTERN uwave oven.As a physicist with a PhD thesis, I can give you papers that withauthority, claims that radiation is good for people.The problem is that most journal abstracts are misinterpreted by laymenin any given field of study. There are good and bad in about anythingyou choose to study. Papers focus on small effects, which are then blowninto balloon sized statements and on-line fanfare on the internet as thegospel.So, I suggest all the people that are so vehemently opposed to using amicrowave, either study 4-year EE or Physics to find out what is reallygoing on. A lot of the misconceptions posted in this thread resolves ina complete misunderstanding of Faraday Cages, Relative Permittivity,Skin-Depth, Dielectric Heating to name a few.People tend to scare themselves and then believe it because it scaresthem.Your repeated exposure to sunlight causes way way more cancer risk than any proper-functional microwave ever can. Will you now also stop going outside ?Having a barbeque outside creates orders of magnitude more carcinogenson your steak than a microwave cooked meal ever can. Will I stopgrilling my meat over a fire - heck no, I know the risks and made thetrade-off!Or if you want to believe random links based on misinterpretation ofabstracts, sell your house and move closer to a nuclear plant, (becausethere is an authoritative paper in existence proving it is good for you), stop drinking raw milk and don't use microwave ovens as there is arisk o contracting bacterial infections.I personally choose NOT to move closer to a nuclear plant, I drink rawmilk and I use microwave ovens. Why, because I actually go look at thestatistics and cut out layman opinions and the hyperbole.I think this discussion about uwave ovens counterproductive to the causeof raw-milk, which is what we should be focusing on.Darlene Vidrine wrote:> > > microwave information> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/microwave-food.aspx>

[Guest guest]

shaul wrote:

> 

>So please

> don't flash a PhD badge and think we automatically reverence the ground

> you walk on.

And where did I demand that ?

I can argue that you flash ignorance and I don't call you out personally

about it.

And no, PhD's did not give the world all those things you mislead

yourself. You are describing govenrments who takes every study out of

context for their agenda and powergrabs, in the same way silly internet

links are used in this thread as evidence.

It is whoever do something with an invention that creates either benefit

or trouble.

[Guest guest]



WHO ARE YOU? You do have a PhD but not a courage to identify yourself even by the first name.

Barbara

And where did I demand that ?I can argue that you flash ignorance and I don't call you out personally about it.And no, PhD's did not give the world all those things you mislead yourself. You are describing govenrments who takes every study out of context for their agenda and powergrabs, in the same way silly internet links are used in this thread as evidence.It is whoever do something with an invention that creates either benefit or trouble.

[Guest guest]

Dear Barbara.

My name is in my email address.....just like yours

How much disclosure can I give ?

You need to not look into the front of the gun before you fire !

Barbara wrote:

> 

>

> WHO ARE YOU? You do have a PhD but not a courage to identify yourself

> even by the first name.

>

> Barbara

>

[Guest guest]



liebrecht@... is the email of this poster.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadawww.chikouskyfarms.com"For every human illness, somewhere in the world there exists a plant which is the cure." Rudolph Steiner

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Dear Barbara.My name is in my email address.....just like yoursHow much disclosure can I give ?You need to not look into the front of the gun before you fire !Barbara wrote:> > > WHO ARE YOU? You do have a PhD but not a courage to identify yourself > even by the first name.> > Barbara>

[Guest guest]

Oh Please!, not Hertel again and then propagated by gobblidygook

globalhealingcenter.

What is next ? Newtonian Perpetual Motion ?

"

Dr. Hertel seems to have managed to gain this claimed following even

without producing the most basic of information that prospective

groupies should request: a specific, testable claim about what this

change in blood chemistry might be; or a single victim. He is best known

for his most publicized test. In 1989, he and seven fellow vegetarians

confined themselves to a hotel and consumed only milk and vegetables,

prepared in different ways, for two months. When he emerged, he

announced his results: That microwave ovens cause cancer and

degenerative diseases, despite no cases of cancer or illness among he or

his group. His research, if you want to call it that, was never peer

reviewed or published in any reputable journal, and yet it has become

the foundational magnum opus of the anti-microwave agenda.

You'll also find that there are a large number of studies out finding

changes to the nutritional content of food that has been microwaved, and

the Microwave Militia loves to point to these. Chemical reactions happen

whenever any food is cooked, so this has more to do with cooking than

with the cooking method. Moreover, such changes are generally well below

any perceptible threshold, and have always been found to be safe.

The Microwave Militia also makes claims such as microwave ovens are

illegal in Russia or other parts of Europe. This is just a straight-up

lie. Microwaves are perfectly legal in Russia and everywhere else in

Europe. In fact I was not able to find a single country in the world

that bans microwave ovens. They're regulated, of course, like all

electric appliances; but regulation should not be mischaracterized as a ban.

So what's the sum total of our evidence? Billions of people have been

eating microwaved food for decades, with no ill effects, and no

plausible expectation of ill effects. The best evidence put forward by

anti-microwave activists is based on shameless lies and irresponsibly

bad science. Thus, a truly skeptical process leads us to the conclusion

that there's nothing at all wrong with microwaving your food. However,

I'm drinking coffee right now made from microwaved water, and it's

entirely possible that this has caused profound mental aberration, and

made me spout nonsense.

"

Darlene Vidrine wrote:

>

>

> Here's some scientific facts for you! To read the rest of this very

> interesting and SCIENTIFIC article go to:

>

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/health-hazards-to-know-about/microwave-ovens-\

the-proven-dangers

>

>

[Guest guest]



And why should I go to the trouble to look for your name when the netiquette calls for signing each post?

As you can see down in the headers there is no name other than "Lv".

I happen to know how to find your name but so many other members do not. It is only polite to put the signature below one's posts.

Barbara

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Dear Barbara.My name is in my email address.....just like yoursHow much disclosure can I give ?You need to not look into the front of the gun before you fire !

etiquette

[Guest guest]



Yes Debbie, I know how to find it. Thank you.

Barbara

 liebrecht@... is the email of this poster.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadawww.chikouskyfarms.com"For every human illness, somewhere in the world there exists a plant which is the cure." Rudolph Steiner

[Guest guest]

I don't know. Beats me!

Barbara wrote:

> 

>

> And why should I go to the trouble to look for your name when

> the netiquette calls for signing each post?