Re: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

[Guest guest]

Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA protections as your

child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

classroom.

Tonya

From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

[Guest guest]

Although you don't have a right to know about anything applying to this other

child, you still have rights as a parent. Schools have discipline codes that

still apply to students under IDEA, if it is drug possession, bringing weapons,

or bodily injury to another student. It is grounds for suspension and even

expulsion at times. If another child injures yours, you can press charges for

assault.

The school should be taking steps to de-escalate this other child's behavior.

If they are not, then you should do what's in the best interest of your child.

If his disability does not effect his behavior, and the other children in the

class are violent, then it's not the right placement for your son. We've had an

instance here where a parent had trouble with her son picking up bad habits from

children who had ED/BD diagnosis, and the school didn't know or understand how

to even take steps to help calm children. Their methods at the time escalated

bad behaviors in the other children. This parent ended up having Advocacy, Inc.

come in and help get the matter settled because she exhausted her tries at

working with them. Her son has switched schools, and he is in a more

appropriate setting, while the previous school has had to make changes to their

methods of doing things as well.

Don't accept what is happening. I have to say, if the parent I mentioned had

simply moved their child to another classroom, then the other children would

still be dealing with inadequacies of the school personnel and those children

would be suffering. Strive to keep your child safe, use the laws to help get

you where you need to be with him. In the process, if making the school change

what they are doing is the end result, then it is so much better for all the

kiddos. Know that you CAN make a difference, as it only takes one parent to

stand their ground and push for change in order to make it happen.

meg herrera wrote:

PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

Teague

Parent Education Network

Outreach and Information Specialist

1-

wtxpen17@...

Paid for by private funds.

[Guest guest]

Although you don't have a right to know about anything applying to this other

child, you still have rights as a parent. Schools have discipline codes that

still apply to students under IDEA, if it is drug possession, bringing weapons,

or bodily injury to another student. It is grounds for suspension and even

expulsion at times. If another child injures yours, you can press charges for

assault.

The school should be taking steps to de-escalate this other child's behavior.

If they are not, then you should do what's in the best interest of your child.

If his disability does not effect his behavior, and the other children in the

class are violent, then it's not the right placement for your son. We've had an

instance here where a parent had trouble with her son picking up bad habits from

children who had ED/BD diagnosis, and the school didn't know or understand how

to even take steps to help calm children. Their methods at the time escalated

bad behaviors in the other children. This parent ended up having Advocacy, Inc.

come in and help get the matter settled because she exhausted her tries at

working with them. Her son has switched schools, and he is in a more

appropriate setting, while the previous school has had to make changes to their

methods of doing things as well.

Don't accept what is happening. I have to say, if the parent I mentioned had

simply moved their child to another classroom, then the other children would

still be dealing with inadequacies of the school personnel and those children

would be suffering. Strive to keep your child safe, use the laws to help get

you where you need to be with him. In the process, if making the school change

what they are doing is the end result, then it is so much better for all the

kiddos. Know that you CAN make a difference, as it only takes one parent to

stand their ground and push for change in order to make it happen.

meg herrera wrote:

PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

Teague

Parent Education Network

Outreach and Information Specialist

1-

wtxpen17@...

Paid for by private funds.

[Guest guest]

I had one parent call me and this same things was happening with their

son. First document/photograph any and all injuries. Second, you

should write a letter to the Principal, Superintendent and School Board

Trustees. Let them know what has occurred and that should any further

incidents occur you will hold each and everyone of them responsible and

will pursue your legal options. With this, they are now aware of what

is going on and if they do not take actions - my understanding is that

they are liable and may not be protected under " soverign immunity "

(sp?). There is case law where this has been an issue and the parents

have won. And you can also consider getting a personal injury

attorney. That will rattle their cages.

I do agree that simply changing the placement of your child will leave

all the other children at risk. You do have to put your child's

welfare first. However, pushing to have the other hild removed to a

different placement is an option. Yes, the other child does have

protections under IDEA. However those should not extend to allow the

cild to harm others. Assaults are covered in your school board policy

and under the penal code. Depending on the age of the child, this

should be an automatic removal to DAEP. Check your school board policy

or student handbook and it will give you some guidance on what you can

do.

This happened to our son and that is the basis amongst other violations

for open due process hearing next week. Best of luck..

Amy

Coppell, TX

> meg herrera wrote:

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS

HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

[Guest guest]

Meg,

I am so sorry that your son is getting hurt. This is definitely not an

acceptable situation and your son needs to be protected.

The fact is if a child is violent like this, the school is not adequately

meeting his needs. The school is obviously not protecting the other

children either.

They have to do both. I am not sure how to handle this, but I would very

much be against punitive measures to try to help the situation. All

children deserve our loving care. As a parent of a child who had the police

called on him, I can tell you how traumatic that can be. Children need to

get their needs met. If the schools think they can simply ignore a child's

needs and go straight to suspension, expulsion, DEAP, arrest, etc, all

children suffer. It is very likely that this child needs more services than

are being provided and the school is trying to get away with providing as

little as possible. We can all relate to that situation, can't we?

When children cry out for help, someone needs to answer them in a loving,

caring and effective way. To do less is a tragedy for our children with

autism and for society. The choice is between saving a life by giving that

child what he needs verses locking him up (literally or figuratively) to

wither away and never fully function in society. What do we want for our

own child?

Do what you have to do to protect your son, but please do no harm to other

children as well.

_____

From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

[Guest guest]

but what would happen if mom of non-violent child is visiting at random times

throughout the day for several days (hint hint) and happens to see the child

become violent - then mom becomes a witness to the offensive behavior. can some

type of complaint be filed either with the district or cps or police department?

not to get the violent child in trouble but something is going on that needs

to be addressed with that kid.

Tonya Hettler wrote:

Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA protections as

your

child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

classroom.

Tonya

From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

[Guest guest]

What if you were the mom of the 'violent' kid? What if you received a

visit from CPS or received a call from the campus itself or its police

dept informing you another parent filed a complaint.

Better yet, what if you were accused of being the reason your child

was violent at school?

Particulars in this original post weren't stated, however we must

remember that behaviors are a part of the diagnosis. We dont know what

the parents/administration are doing with this child. I am sure they

doing something. I am not saying to leave a child in a precarious

position, but lets not loose sight that our children, ALL of them need

help, understanding, patience, and they arent purposely acting out or

trying to hurt others 'intentionally'.

JMO

> Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA

protections as your

> child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

>

> What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

> possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

> classroom.

>

> Tonya

>

> From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

> VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

>

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

>

>

[Guest guest]

Part of the reason we left public school was that the class of six had two

violent children in it and it was not worth the fight. Some of the violent

behaviors were starting to show up on ours and that was enough to make us

think twice about his situation…Did not want to cause trouble for anyone so

we just tucked tail and ran to happily home schooled with no bullies!

Chris

_____

From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of msdean23

Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:31 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: Re: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

What if you were the mom of the 'violent' kid? What if you received a

visit from CPS or received a call from the campus itself or its police

dept informing you another parent filed a complaint.

Better yet, what if you were accused of being the reason your child

was violent at school?

Particulars in this original post weren't stated, however we must

remember that behaviors are a part of the diagnosis. We dont know what

the parents/administration are doing with this child. I am sure they

doing something. I am not saying to leave a child in a precarious

position, but lets not loose sight that our children, ALL of them need

help, understanding, patience, and they arent purposely acting out or

trying to hurt others 'intentionally'.

JMO

> Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA

protections as your

> child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

>

> What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

> possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

> classroom.

>

> Tonya

>

> From: Texas-Autism- <mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy%40yahoogroups.com>

Advocacy

> [mailto:Texas-Autism- <mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy%40yahoogroups.com>

Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

> To: Texas-Autism- <mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy%40yahoogroups.com>

Advocacy

> Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

> VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

>

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

>

>

[Guest guest]

well, more what if game, what if as parent of non violent child, you witness

something that provokes the violence? your witness to series of events, with a

hopefully an objective opinion, could in fact help curtail the violent behavior.

does it always happen after a meal - could be food allergy, does it always

happen after a learning session - stressed out from information overload, or

maybe after teacher has worked with another child - perhaps jealousy at play...

sometimes teachers/paras may need an outside viewpoint to see a possible cause

for bad behavior.

and maybe, just maybe, parent is the issue. i happen to live next to door to

that scenario.

msdean23 wrote:

What if you were the mom of the 'violent' kid? What if you received a

visit from CPS or received a call from the campus itself or its police

dept informing you another parent filed a complaint.

Better yet, what if you were accused of being the reason your child

was violent at school?

Particulars in this original post weren't stated, however we must

remember that behaviors are a part of the diagnosis. We dont know what

the parents/administration are doing with this child. I am sure they

doing something. I am not saying to leave a child in a precarious

position, but lets not loose sight that our children, ALL of them need

help, understanding, patience, and they arent purposely acting out or

trying to hurt others 'intentionally'.

JMO

> Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA

protections as your

> child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

>

> What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

> possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

> classroom.

>

> Tonya

>

> From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

> VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

>

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would take a written request to the school for an Functional Behavior

Assessment

to be done ASAP because the BIP the school is using isn't working.

A well designed BIP is supposed to keep stuff like this from happening.

Behaviors like this mean that either the staff aren't using the BIP or the

BIP isn't

appropriate. I would insist on a Board Certified Behavior Analyst doing the

FBA

and attending the ARD where the new BIP is drafted.

Someone posted a great statement on the list a couple of days ago on the 101

of

reporting. I would send the CPS staff that. Then I would ask CPS for the

number

to report a maliscious report--you can complain if a CPS report has been

filed

and state that you believe it was a maliscious filing. They have to

investigate that.

S.

MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

> VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

>

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI ALL, I STARTED THIS TOPIC, AND VERONICA WAS RIGHT.[ IT WAS MORE OF A

INSTRUCTOR PROBLEM] THEY HAVE A TEACHER AND 2 AIDS, ONE JUST FOR THE CHILD WHO

IS VIOLENT,AND ONE TO HELP OUT. THE ONE THAT HELPS OUT THE CHILD, WAS GONE, AND

THE TEACHER SHOULD HAVE GONE TO BE WITH HIM, INSTEAD SHE HAD SOMEONE, WHO HE

DIDN'T KNOW.I WASN'T JUST WORRIED ABOUT MY SON, BUT ALSO FOR THE OTHER CHILD, HE

COULD HAVE REALLY HURT HIMSELF. TOTALLY A SAFETY ISSUE ,TALKED TO THE PRINCIPLE,

AND FEEL THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. ALSO, THE CLASS REALLY DIDN'T

FOLLOW A ROUTINE, NO STRUCTURE, BUT THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED MONDAY. THEY ALSO

BROUGHT UP THE IDEAL OF MY SON GOING TO KINDERGARTEN, WITH A SHADOW, THINK HE

WOULD DO WELL WITH THAT. THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT,MEG sdean23

wrote: What if you were the mom of the 'violent'

kid? What if you received a

visit from CPS or received a call from the campus itself or its police

dept informing you another parent filed a complaint.

Better yet, what if you were accused of being the reason your child

was violent at school?

Particulars in this original post weren't stated, however we must

remember that behaviors are a part of the diagnosis. We dont know what

the parents/administration are doing with this child. I am sure they

doing something. I am not saying to leave a child in a precarious

position, but lets not loose sight that our children, ALL of them need

help, understanding, patience, and they arent purposely acting out or

trying to hurt others 'intentionally'.

JMO

> Sorry to tell you, but that child has the same IDEA

protections as your

> child. School can't discuss that child at all with you.

>

> What you can do is attempt to keep your child safe. This could very

> possibly mean that your child would need to be changed to a different

> classroom.

>

> Tonya

>

> From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of meg herrera

> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:40 PM

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Subject: MY SON HAS SOMEONE IN HIS CLASS VERY

> VILENT..PLEASE HELP.

>

> PLEASE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF A CHILD IN YOUR SONS CLASS ,IS HURTING

> HIMSELF AND AIDS, AND TEACHERS..AND OTHER CHILDREN? MY SON IS 7 YRS.

> OLD, HE IS DOING WELL , BUT THIS CHILD IS VERY VILENT.THANK YOU , MEG

>

>