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My case worker advised against it and that's all I needed to know. She said

that allowing the schools to bill Medicaid can jeopardize services that your

child receives through Medicaid. In fact, our case worker says she has seen

this very thing happen. Besides, my feeling is why " share the wealth " with my

district unless they give me something really big in return for my boys'

program? Granted, I'm generally happy with their program but there's always

room for improvement and I MIGHT have considered " sharing " our Medicaid money

with the district if they were to offer me something for it...but I would never

expect that to happen! It kind of made me angry that they even asked--like

asking for a " gift " without offering anything is return--that's how I see

it.(I'm so selfish)

a

Medicaid question

Hi Everyone~

I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she

said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the

henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you

allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will

refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector.

TIA

Diane.

> Diane,

> Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe

> that the

> school medicaid money is a completely different pot and

> does not

> impact community based services.

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Yes. Also, if you receive Medicaid, the school is now REQUIRED to

get your written permission to bill Medicaid before they do. It's called

the SHARS

form or something like that. They can't refuse your child speech if you

don't sign, but Medicaid can refuse private outside therapy if the school

is billing them for that therapy.

S.

Medicaid question

Hi Everyone~

I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she

said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the

henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you

allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will

refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector.

TIA

Diane.

> Diane,

> Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe

> that the

> school medicaid money is a completely different pot and

> does not

> impact community based services.

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(I hope the selfish comment was really a joke.)

Taxes are already paid to the school district to cover the cost of educating

your child. You pay school taxes with rent, mortgage payment, money you spend

at a community business, a portion of every dime you spend hits the school

district. You shouldn't have to pay extra in the form of medicaid dollars to

receive what your taxes are intended to deliver.

I have been informed that in Cy Fair, at every meeting, I will be required to

sign " that form " and check the box yes or no. I will continue to check no.

If we find out that private therapy could be jeopardized by allowing school

district to tap into medicaid funds, I will go ballistic on the administration

for not disclosing that. Another example of deciet not being the way to get

what you need.

a Sell wrote:

My case worker advised against it and that's all I needed to know. She

said that allowing the schools to bill Medicaid can jeopardize services that

your child receives through Medicaid. In fact, our case worker says she has seen

this very thing happen. Besides, my feeling is why " share the wealth " with my

district unless they give me something really big in return for my boys'

program? Granted, I'm generally happy with their program but there's always room

for improvement and I MIGHT have considered " sharing " our Medicaid money with

the district if they were to offer me something for it...but I would never

expect that to happen! It kind of made me angry that they even asked--like

asking for a " gift " without offering anything is return--that's how I see

it.(I'm so selfish)

a

Medicaid question

Hi Everyone~

I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she

said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the

henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you

allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will

refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector.

TIA

Diane.

> Diane,

> Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe

> that the

> school medicaid money is a completely different pot and

> does not

> impact community based services.

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Yes, it was a joke...and apparently a poor attempt at it!

Medicaid question

Hi Everyone~

I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she

said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the

henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you

allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will

refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector.

TIA

Diane.

> Diane,

> Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe

> that the

> school medicaid money is a completely different pot and

> does not

> impact community based services.

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We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just

did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill "

from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my

daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing

Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4

different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was

doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for

services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school.

Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified.

Don't know how that ever turned out.

But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many

do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of

shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy

train and no longer allow it.

nna

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nna,

At some point, did you give your school district your medicaid number? If not,

how could they possibly have billed medicaid without it? I just don't

understand how they are capable of doing this " underhandedly " without being

given the number by the parent. Maybe I should feel lucky that our district

actually asked me...this is crazy!!

a

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We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just

did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill "

from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my

daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing

Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4

different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was

doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for

services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school.

Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified.

Don't know how that ever turned out.

But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many

do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of

shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy

train and no longer allow it.

nna

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The schools somehow get wind of when a child receives medicaid, because I'm in

Cy-Fair ISD and they knew when my son received Medicaid and they sent home a

form for me to sign for them to start billing Medicaid.

I never told them he was Medicaid eligible - they somehow received

notification...

Sincerely,

Guppy

a Sell wrote:

nna,

At some point, did you give your school district your medicaid number? If not,

how could they possibly have billed medicaid without it? I just don't understand

how they are capable of doing this " underhandedly " without being given the

number by the parent. Maybe I should feel lucky that our district actually asked

me...this is crazy!!

a

Re: Medicaid question

We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just

did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill "

from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my

daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing

Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4

different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was

doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for

services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school.

Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified.

Don't know how that ever turned out.

But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many

do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of

shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy

train and no longer allow it.

nna

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I'm sure that's true because that's why they sent me the form asking for the

boys' medicaid numbers--but surely they aren't able to receive funding from

medicaid unless they are given the number by the parents, right?

a

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We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just

did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill "

from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my

daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing

Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4

different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was

doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for

services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school.

Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified.

Don't know how that ever turned out.

But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many

do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of

shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy

train and no longer allow it.

nna

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when i enrolled nolan in cy-fair, they pulled the ieps (among other paperwork)

from his prior enrollment in spring isd. at the time nolan was enrolled in

spring he was on medicaid and when paperwork asked if he had medicaid i filled

in yes and the number - not knowing the why they needed it. i was on the flip

side of the thought process - gov't is tracking to make sure that i have my

special needs child in school - not school wants to pilage the already depleted

system.

the number was on old medical & therapy documents submitted for developmental

history.

if that number is anywhere, they have access to it.

i don't know if spring isd ever billed medicaid for doing nothing. his

private therapy wasn't charged to medicaid because it wasn't performed at home

or at clinic as the therapists came to day care.

a Sell wrote:

I'm sure that's true because that's why they sent me the form asking

for the boys' medicaid numbers--but surely they aren't able to receive funding

from medicaid unless they are given the number by the parents, right?

a

Re: Medicaid question

We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just

did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill "

from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my

daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing

Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4

different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was

doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for

services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school.

Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified.

Don't know how that ever turned out.

But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many

do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of

shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy

train and no longer allow it.

nna

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School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of School

Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes them

with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to

school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my

son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had

given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you

can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards

web site.

Martha Ulcak

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Wow - I'm really having a hard time with this...

I can't observe in my son's classroom without going through all the red tape

and " approval " process - giving my license and blood to the little lady at the

front desk ---- but the school's can have who they want, when they want - see my

child in the class without my knowledge - and his personal information is passed

all around the state without my approval or knowledge?????

Scary....

and Maddening!

Guppy

Martha Ulcak wrote:

School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association

of School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid

furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then

forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this

last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my

husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my information at

the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas

Association of School Boards web site.

Martha Ulcak

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Thanks for the head up Martha!

Here's what I found on the TASB website

http://www.tasb.org/services/medicaid/index.aspx

TEA also has a webpage about Medicaid

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/special.ed/guidance/medserv.html

Tonya

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School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of

School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid

furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then

forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this

last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork.

Neither my husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my

information at the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on

the Texas Association of School Boards web site.

Martha Ulcak

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Wow...this is incredible!!! I still think(hope) that my district doesn't do

this underhanded stuff because a friend of mine was asked for her son's Medicaid

number for several years at each annual ARD meeting and she never gave it to

them--until recently for some reason. I know that when I declined giving them

my boys' numbers last year--they reminded me again after school started this

year that by giving them the numbers, it would not jeopardize any outside

services that they receive now through Medicaid.(I could tell they really wanted

those numbers badly!) So, knowing all this leads me to believe that they

haven't(for whatever reason) gone behind my back to get the funds. Even if my

district doesn't do this--it makes me crazy that any district has the gall to do

something like this. I am definitely going to take a closer look into this and

learn more about it. Thanks so much for the information Martha!!

a

Re: Medicaid question

School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of

School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes

them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to

school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my

son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had

given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you

can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards

web site.

Martha Ulcak

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No, I never even told them she was ON Medicaid! I always wondered how they

even found out. It did seem extremely underhanded.

nna

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