Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 My case worker advised against it and that's all I needed to know. She said that allowing the schools to bill Medicaid can jeopardize services that your child receives through Medicaid. In fact, our case worker says she has seen this very thing happen. Besides, my feeling is why " share the wealth " with my district unless they give me something really big in return for my boys' program? Granted, I'm generally happy with their program but there's always room for improvement and I MIGHT have considered " sharing " our Medicaid money with the district if they were to offer me something for it...but I would never expect that to happen! It kind of made me angry that they even asked--like asking for a " gift " without offering anything is return--that's how I see it.(I'm so selfish) a Medicaid question Hi Everyone~ I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector. TIA Diane. > Diane, > Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe > that the > school medicaid money is a completely different pot and > does not > impact community based services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Yes. Also, if you receive Medicaid, the school is now REQUIRED to get your written permission to bill Medicaid before they do. It's called the SHARS form or something like that. They can't refuse your child speech if you don't sign, but Medicaid can refuse private outside therapy if the school is billing them for that therapy. S. Medicaid question Hi Everyone~ I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector. TIA Diane. > Diane, > Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe > that the > school medicaid money is a completely different pot and > does not > impact community based services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 (I hope the selfish comment was really a joke.) Taxes are already paid to the school district to cover the cost of educating your child. You pay school taxes with rent, mortgage payment, money you spend at a community business, a portion of every dime you spend hits the school district. You shouldn't have to pay extra in the form of medicaid dollars to receive what your taxes are intended to deliver. I have been informed that in Cy Fair, at every meeting, I will be required to sign " that form " and check the box yes or no. I will continue to check no. If we find out that private therapy could be jeopardized by allowing school district to tap into medicaid funds, I will go ballistic on the administration for not disclosing that. Another example of deciet not being the way to get what you need. a Sell wrote: My case worker advised against it and that's all I needed to know. She said that allowing the schools to bill Medicaid can jeopardize services that your child receives through Medicaid. In fact, our case worker says she has seen this very thing happen. Besides, my feeling is why " share the wealth " with my district unless they give me something really big in return for my boys' program? Granted, I'm generally happy with their program but there's always room for improvement and I MIGHT have considered " sharing " our Medicaid money with the district if they were to offer me something for it...but I would never expect that to happen! It kind of made me angry that they even asked--like asking for a " gift " without offering anything is return--that's how I see it.(I'm so selfish) a Medicaid question Hi Everyone~ I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector. TIA Diane. > Diane, > Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe > that the > school medicaid money is a completely different pot and > does not > impact community based services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Yes, it was a joke...and apparently a poor attempt at it! Medicaid question Hi Everyone~ I received the following from a mom in Pennsylvania. Can what she said be trusted? Or is it like trusting the fox to guard the henhuose? It was my understanding (rightly or wrongly) that if you allow your school to bill your child's Medicaid, then Medicaid will refuse to pay for treatment in the private sector. TIA Diane. > Diane, > Attorney's from our state's Education Law Center describe > that the > school medicaid money is a completely different pot and > does not > impact community based services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill " from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4 different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school. Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified. Don't know how that ever turned out. But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy train and no longer allow it. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 nna, At some point, did you give your school district your medicaid number? If not, how could they possibly have billed medicaid without it? I just don't understand how they are capable of doing this " underhandedly " without being given the number by the parent. Maybe I should feel lucky that our district actually asked me...this is crazy!! a Re: Medicaid question We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill " from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4 different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school. Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified. Don't know how that ever turned out. But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy train and no longer allow it. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 The schools somehow get wind of when a child receives medicaid, because I'm in Cy-Fair ISD and they knew when my son received Medicaid and they sent home a form for me to sign for them to start billing Medicaid. I never told them he was Medicaid eligible - they somehow received notification... Sincerely, Guppy a Sell wrote: nna, At some point, did you give your school district your medicaid number? If not, how could they possibly have billed medicaid without it? I just don't understand how they are capable of doing this " underhandedly " without being given the number by the parent. Maybe I should feel lucky that our district actually asked me...this is crazy!! a Re: Medicaid question We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill " from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4 different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school. Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified. Don't know how that ever turned out. But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy train and no longer allow it. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'm sure that's true because that's why they sent me the form asking for the boys' medicaid numbers--but surely they aren't able to receive funding from medicaid unless they are given the number by the parents, right? a Re: Medicaid question We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill " from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4 different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school. Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified. Don't know how that ever turned out. But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy train and no longer allow it. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 when i enrolled nolan in cy-fair, they pulled the ieps (among other paperwork) from his prior enrollment in spring isd. at the time nolan was enrolled in spring he was on medicaid and when paperwork asked if he had medicaid i filled in yes and the number - not knowing the why they needed it. i was on the flip side of the thought process - gov't is tracking to make sure that i have my special needs child in school - not school wants to pilage the already depleted system. the number was on old medical & therapy documents submitted for developmental history. if that number is anywhere, they have access to it. i don't know if spring isd ever billed medicaid for doing nothing. his private therapy wasn't charged to medicaid because it wasn't performed at home or at clinic as the therapists came to day care. a Sell wrote: I'm sure that's true because that's why they sent me the form asking for the boys' medicaid numbers--but surely they aren't able to receive funding from medicaid unless they are given the number by the parents, right? a Re: Medicaid question We weren't even asked permission for billing Medicaid...the district just did it. I found out about it after the fact. Fortunately, I got a " bill " from Medicaid asking me to verify that the charges were real and that my daughter had received the services. Turned out the district was billing Medicaid for services my daughter didn't even get (they billed for 4 different sessions of " psych evaluation " when the school diagnostician was doing educational testing...can you say FRAUD?) They also billed for services received on days when I knew my daughter was not at school. Anyway, needless to say, I told Medicaid that the charges were falsified. Don't know how that ever turned out. But, virtually all districts do this if your child receives Medicaid. Many do it without asking. Districts all across the U.S. are all bent out of shape right now because the U.S. Congress is about to cut off that gravy train and no longer allow it. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards web site. Martha Ulcak __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Wow - I'm really having a hard time with this... I can't observe in my son's classroom without going through all the red tape and " approval " process - giving my license and blood to the little lady at the front desk ---- but the school's can have who they want, when they want - see my child in the class without my knowledge - and his personal information is passed all around the state without my approval or knowledge????? Scary.... and Maddening! Guppy Martha Ulcak wrote: School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards web site. Martha Ulcak __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Thanks for the head up Martha! Here's what I found on the TASB website http://www.tasb.org/services/medicaid/index.aspx TEA also has a webpage about Medicaid http://www.tea.state.tx.us/special.ed/guidance/medserv.html Tonya From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Martha Ulcak Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:23 PM To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Medicaid question School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards web site. Martha Ulcak __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Wow...this is incredible!!! I still think(hope) that my district doesn't do this underhanded stuff because a friend of mine was asked for her son's Medicaid number for several years at each annual ARD meeting and she never gave it to them--until recently for some reason. I know that when I declined giving them my boys' numbers last year--they reminded me again after school started this year that by giving them the numbers, it would not jeopardize any outside services that they receive now through Medicaid.(I could tell they really wanted those numbers badly!) So, knowing all this leads me to believe that they haven't(for whatever reason) gone behind my back to get the funds. Even if my district doesn't do this--it makes me crazy that any district has the gall to do something like this. I am definitely going to take a closer look into this and learn more about it. Thanks so much for the information Martha!! a Re: Medicaid question School Districts find out who has Medicaid from the Texas Association of School Boards (TASB). TASB has an agreement with Medicaid and Medicaid furnishes them with the names and Medicaid numbers of students. TASB then forwards this to school districts. I spoke with someone with TASB about this last Spring when my son's Medicaid number showed up on ARD paperwork. Neither my husband nor I had given the school his number. I can't find my information at the moment, but you can find out about this " sneaky " deal on the Texas Association of School Boards web site. Martha Ulcak __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 No, I never even told them she was ON Medicaid! I always wondered how they even found out. It did seem extremely underhanded. nna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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