Re: You have to read this - Fitzpatrick met Barney Calman from the Mail !!!!

June 4, 2008

super sleuthing Jo-ster. Should we invite them both to Manchester -

meet some of the " desperate " people they claim to be protecting?

>

> http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

>

> Cannot get the full article up...

>

> Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September for this

> article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> But found elsewhere by me.

>

> Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney Calman

> went undercover to the DAN doctors.

>

> " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had the MMR

> jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges parents to

> From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY CALMAN

> Print Digg del.icio.us

> As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be the

> cause of his son 's condition.

>

> Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his problems

> compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged 15, he

> is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> specialist boarding school.

>

> But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the MMR jab.

> As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

>

> Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are upto and

> you have been sprung !

>

June 4, 2008

ROFL. Gf/Cf custard pies?

> > >

> > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > >

> > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > >

> > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September for

> this

> > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > >

> > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney

> Calman

> > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > >

> > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had the

> MMR

> > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges parents

> to

> > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY

> CALMAN

> > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be the

> > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > >

> > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his problems

> > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged 15,

> he

> > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> > > specialist boarding school.

> > >

> > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the MMR

> jab.

> > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > >

> > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are upto

> and

> > > you have been sprung !

> > >

> >

>

June 4, 2008

If MMR was your trigger then there can't be many worse things than

thinking you injected it, in good faith, yourself. However, there is

no excuse for seeking to deny access to information and treatment for

other people, and presumably his own child, in residential care now,

might have benefited at least to some extent from biomed, as most do

at least somewhat and many to a great extent. If you know something

stood a chance of working and " doing no harm " as the oath has it, I

can't think what would make you so vehemently intent on denying

people help. And I agree, I dont' think compassion has anything to do

with it. Perhaps a need to have been right all along, but I'm no analyst.

> >

> > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> >

> > Cannot get the full article up...

> >

> > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September for this

> > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > But found elsewhere by me.

> >

> > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney Calman

> > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> >

> > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had the MMR

> > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges parents to

> > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY CALMAN

> > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be the

> > cause of his son 's condition.

> >

> > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his problems

> > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged 15, he

> > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> > specialist boarding school.

> >

> > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the MMR jab.

> > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> >

> > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are upto and

> > you have been sprung !

> >

>

June 4, 2008

Or how about professional pride? What we are doing is tantamount making

mince meat out of the conventional medicine. It's making them look a

little foolish. Here we come along with our treatments, a lot of which

have come about through mums networking and what we are pulling off is

really improving the outcomes for our kids. That must really stick in

the throats of the likes of Fitz. It must really, really bug him. We are

undermining everything he stands for.

stephaniesirr schrieb:

>

> If MMR was your trigger then there can't be many worse things than

> thinking you injected it, in good faith, yourself. However, there is

> no excuse for seeking to deny access to information and treatment for

> other people, and presumably his own child, in residential care now,

> might have benefited at least to some extent from biomed, as most do

> at least somewhat and many to a great extent. If you know something

> stood a chance of working and " doing no harm " as the oath has it, I

> can't think what would make you so vehemently intent on denying

> people help. And I agree, I dont' think compassion has anything to do

> with it. Perhaps a need to have been right all along, but I'm no analyst.

>

> > >

> > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>

> > >

> > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > >

> > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September for this

> > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > >

> > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney Calman

> > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > >

> > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had the MMR

> > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges parents to

> > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY CALMAN

> > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be the

> > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > >

> > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his problems

> > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged 15, he

> > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> > > specialist boarding school.

> > >

> > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the MMR jab.

> > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > >

> > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are upto and

> > > you have been sprung !

> > >

> >

>

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>

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19:31

>

June 4, 2008

Also vaccines are the holy grail of mainstream medicine and once

that starts to unravel, so does everything else.........Fitzpatrick

is a doctor - they are all totally brainwashed by the teaching of

medicine, it doesnt support free-thinking, it doesnt embrace real

inquiry - which would involve looking beyond symptoms and into

biochemistry.

Witness my mercury free dentist - enlightened for a

dentist........recently had a baby and they had him vaccinated. I

asked why and he said there wasnt enough evidence that vaccines

arent safe.........this guff is drummed into these guys and so to

challenge it challenges their whole belief systems........I agree

with your comment that we are undermining everything he stands

for.

I do also wonder if he has any financial connection to Big Pharma or

the like.

Zoe

> > > >

> > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>

> > > >

> > > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > > >

> > > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September

for this

> > > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney

Calman

> > > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > > >

> > > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had

the MMR

> > > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges

parents to

> > > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY

CALMAN

> > > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could

be the

> > > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > > >

> > > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his

problems

> > > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged

15, he

> > > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at

a

> > > > specialist boarding school.

> > > >

> > > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the

MMR jab.

> > > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > > >

> > > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are

upto and

> > > > you have been sprung !

> > > >

> > >

> >

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03/06/2008 19:31

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>

June 4, 2008

From the comments I have read from blogs and elsewhere online, etc

from persons who have children on the spectrum and who never

considered biomed, and who think it is bunkum - these parents do

appear to have some sort of guilt complex, regret, or simply dont

want to spend the time or energy. I am sure there are other reasons,

but I can think of at least 4 individuals that immediately spring to

mind and who like to think of themselves as stalwarts of the ND

crowd.

They drone on about how their kids are different, when in fact their

children have amazingly difficult challenges that might be reduced in

severity if they had bothered to open their eyes a bit.

No one gets that " bothered " about something unless there is a

psychological element to it (fitzgerald). He is covering something

up. Guilt, regret, jealousy, pride, greed, could be anything, but it

has nothing to do with helping my child.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>

> > > >

> > > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > > >

> > > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September

for this

> > > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney

Calman

> > > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > > >

> > > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had

the MMR

> > > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges

parents to

> > > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY CALMAN

> > > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be

the

> > > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > > >

> > > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his

problems

> > > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged

15, he

> > > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> > > > specialist boarding school.

> > > >

> > > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the

MMR jab.

> > > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > > >

> > > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are

upto and

> > > > you have been sprung !

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

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03/06/2008 19:31

> >

>

June 4, 2008

Zoe schrieb:

>

> Also vaccines are the holy grail of mainstream medicine and once

> that starts to unravel, so does everything else.........Fitzpatrick

> is a doctor - they are all totally brainwashed by the teaching of

> medicine, it doesnt support free-thinking, it doesnt embrace real

> inquiry - which would involve looking beyond symptoms and into

> biochemistry.

>

> Witness my mercury free dentist - enlightened for a

> dentist........recently had a baby and they had him vaccinated. I

> asked why and he said there wasnt enough evidence that vaccines

> arent safe.........this guff is drummed into these guys and so to

> challenge it challenges their whole belief systems........I agree

> with your comment that we are undermining everything he stands

> for.

>

> I do also wonder if he has any financial connection to Big Pharma or

> the like.

>

> Zoe

>

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>

> > > > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > > > >

> > > > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September

> for this

> > > > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney

> Calman

> > > > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > > > >

> > > > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had

> the MMR

> > > > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges

> parents to

> > > > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY

> CALMAN

> > > > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could

> be the

> > > > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his

> problems

> > > > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged

> 15, he

> > > > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at

> a

> > > > > specialist boarding school.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the

> MMR jab.

> > > > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are

> upto and

> > > > > you have been sprung !

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> -------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1481 - Release Date:

> 03/06/2008 19:31

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG.

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19:31

>

June 4, 2008

and he could be plain old stupid on top of everything else. I was

actually a bit disappointed by him tonight, he looked quite sad and

forlorn and kirby was able to cut his his 'great provocation' down

with one easy stroke. if it wasn't for the evil things he does

continuously, he would be someone to feel sorry for.

btw kirby was great!

nx

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>

> > > > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html

> > > <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13562797.html>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Cannot get the full article up...

> > > > >

> > > > > Looks to me like Mr Calman met Mr Fitzpatrick last September

> for this

> > > > > article which I cannot get online on the mail on Sunday site.

> > > > > Probably vanished into thin air like someones soul !

> > > > > But found elsewhere by me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting that not long after this was printed Barney

> Calman

> > > > > went undercover to the DAN doctors.

> > > > >

> > > > > " My son is autistic but I don't regret as a GP that he had

> the MMR

> > > > > jab In the face of a measles epidemic, this doctor urges

> parents to

> > > > > From: Mail on Sunday | Date: 9/23/2007 | Author: BARNEY CALMAN

> > > > > Print Digg del.icio.us

> > > > > As a parent of an autistic child, Dr Fitzpatrick was

> > > > > understandably concerned by reports that the MMR jab could be

> the

> > > > > cause of his son 's condition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Diagnosed at two, had a 'difficult childhood', his

> problems

> > > > > compounded by a number of learning disabilities. Today, aged

> 15, he

> > > > > is, says his father, 'very well looked after and settled' at a

> > > > > specialist boarding school.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Dr Fitzpatrick has no regrets about his son having the

> MMR jab.

> > > > > As a GP, he has seen at close quarters the ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Gotcha you pair of sneeky shisters ! We know what you are

> upto and

> > > > > you have been sprung !

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1481 - Release Date:

> 03/06/2008 19:31

> > >

> >

>

June 5, 2008

Last night Kirby walked the audience through loads of studies

which are used to support the contention that the theoretical link

btwn vaccines and autism has been disproven. In many of them, just

the opposite is stated: in fact, that the link has not been disproven

and requires more study. In explaining the difference between what

the studies say and how they are reported, he basically said that

most journos are too lazy to read the actual study, they simply read

the abstract and the press release (blushes, I do too). So those

people who have control of what goes in the abstract, plus those

controlling the content of the press release, who influence public

opinion.

He also went through loads of research and public statements from

reputable American doctors, researchers, academics and public health

officials to the effect that a) a lot of the physical symptoms we see

in our children are medically observable and attributable to the

factors outlined in the DAN! protocol and other biomedical

approaches, and that this vaccine/autism link has not yet been

properly researched (cheers Dr Healy and others).

After this lengthy and impressive litany of heavyweight namedropping,

Dr Fitzpatrick stood up and tried to trot out his faourite line,

which he clearly thinks is a killer point: " If this stuff is true,

how come not one reputable doctor or researcher has ever supported

even a smidge of it (I paraphrase)? "

Sound of crickets.

Was it possible he had sat through the previous three hours and yet

not heard a word?

Kirby responded by saying, " Well, I think Dr Bernadine Healy

(former Director of National Institute of Health), Martha Herbert of

Harvard U, Dr De'ath from Northwestern U, etc etc etc ARE pretty

reputable! "

I am sure Dr Fitzpatrick had his mental fingers in his mental ears,

where they will stay as the evidence mounts up around him - he sort

of reminds me of Rumplestilskin, and somebody's guessed the riddle,

and he is having a tantrum and stamping his way through the floor.

Impressions: he is rigid, superior, quite emotional, very invested

in being right, and oddly like an unhappy child who has had something

unfair happen to him.

June 5, 2008

I agree, and they need to cope with their own limitations, not impose

them on others. For example, I am sure my children would have

benefited from a home program like Floortime. I tried, and tried,

and tried until I was a nervous wreck and I just couldn't do it -

so I ditched it and focused on getting a VB person in, doing biomed,

sending them to speech therapy and social skills groups, etc - I did

what I could.

Of course I regret that I failed my kids in that way, but that does

not mean I will tell other people it is worthless and not worth

doing!

>

> From the comments I have read from blogs and elsewhere online, etc

> from persons who have children on the spectrum and who never

> considered biomed, and who think it is bunkum - these parents do

> appear to have some sort of guilt complex, regret, or simply dont

> want to spend the time or energy. I am sure there are other

reasons,

> but I can think of at least 4 individuals that immediately spring

to

> mind and who like to think of themselves as stalwarts of the ND

> crowd.

>

> They drone on about how their kids are different, when in fact

their

> children have amazingly difficult challenges that might be reduced

in

> severity if they had bothered to open their eyes a bit.

>

> No one gets that " bothered " about something unless there is a

> psychological element to it (fitzgerald). He is covering something

> up. Guilt, regret, jealousy, pride, greed, could be anything, but

it

> has nothing to do with helping my child.

>

June 5, 2008

I agree Steph. It was nice of Kirby to welcome opposition and criticism

of his views, and to invite fitz to any future discussions etc, but I

personally felt any discussion with this guy is a complete and utter

waste of time. He just does not have either the intellectual capacity or

courage (or both) to get out his little black box.

nx

>

> Last night Kirby walked the audience through loads of studies

> which are used to support the contention that the theoretical link

> btwn vaccines and autism has been disproven. In many of them, just

> the opposite is stated: in fact, that the link has not been disproven

> and requires more study. In explaining the difference between what

> the studies say and how they are reported, he basically said that

> most journos are too lazy to read the actual study, they simply read

> the abstract and the press release (blushes, I do too). So those

> people who have control of what goes in the abstract, plus those

> controlling the content of the press release, who influence public

> opinion.

>

> He also went through loads of research and public statements from

> reputable American doctors, researchers, academics and public health

> officials to the effect that a) a lot of the physical symptoms we see

> in our children are medically observable and attributable to the

> factors outlined in the DAN! protocol and other biomedical

> approaches, and that this vaccine/autism link has not yet been

> properly researched (cheers Dr Healy and others).

>

> After this lengthy and impressive litany of heavyweight namedropping,

> Dr Fitzpatrick stood up and tried to trot out his faourite line,

> which he clearly thinks is a killer point: " If this stuff is true,

> how come not one reputable doctor or researcher has ever supported

> even a smidge of it (I paraphrase)? "

>

> Sound of crickets.

>

> Was it possible he had sat through the previous three hours and yet

> not heard a word?

>

> Kirby responded by saying, " Well, I think Dr Bernadine Healy

> (former Director of National Institute of Health), Martha Herbert of

> Harvard U, Dr De'ath from Northwestern U, etc etc etc ARE pretty

> reputable! "

>

> I am sure Dr Fitzpatrick had his mental fingers in his mental ears,

> where they will stay as the evidence mounts up around him - he sort

> of reminds me of Rumplestilskin, and somebody's guessed the riddle,

> and he is having a tantrum and stamping his way through the floor.

>

> Impressions: he is rigid, superior, quite emotional, very invested

> in being right, and oddly like an unhappy child who has had something

> unfair happen to him.

>

June 5, 2008

Now I'm literally ROFL. That's gorgeous. And very very encouraging.