Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms worse. Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat doesnt.=========================================================================== 45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 The overly-simplified answer to this is that with a few exceptions, most high K foods are also high carb. This is similar to the problem that I am facing with my food intolerances - my intolerances are all to different types of carbohydrates, so to follow a diet for one of my health conditions means sacrificing another. I wonder if it's possible for you to get your K in the form of green veggies, avocados, almonds, mushrooms, and high-fat dairy? Unlike fruit, these foods won't promote insulin fluctuations. Trouble is, you have to eat a LOT to get that 4300+ grams of K per day - I'm not sure it's humanly possible -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone ..35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not > considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough > Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more > like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot > of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms > worse. > > Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH > diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat > doesnt. > > =========================================================================== > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > *DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 The cumulated data is that eating more meat may not be as good a lowering your pressure. Everyone is different so when you get to goal with the strick DASH you can see what you can add back till BP goes up again.But track urine Na and K.CE Grim MD I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms worse. Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat doesnt.=========================================================================== 45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole Side effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Well that is what we suspect humans ate in the old days.CE Grim MD The overly-simplified answer to this is that with a few exceptions, most high K foods are also high carb. This is similar to the problem that I am facing with my food intolerances - my intolerances are all to different types of carbohydrates, so to follow a diet for one of my health conditions means sacrificing another. I wonder if it's possible for you to get your K in the form of green veggies, avocados, almonds, mushrooms, and high-fat dairy? Unlike fruit, these foods won't promote insulin fluctuations. Trouble is, you have to eat a LOT to get that 4300+ grams of K per day - I'm not sure it's humanly possible -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3", 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not > considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough > Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more > like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot > of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms > worse. > > Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH > diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat > doesnt. > > =========================================================================== > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9"- 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > *DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 You mean we think they ate DASH like, or low carb? We didnt process grain until about 10000 years ago. The paleo people think we ate alot of meat. I wonder if we just ate alot more differnt root veggies, berries, fruit, and a ton of bugs , grubs, worms, etc. We also ate a different kind of animal. Leaner, better fats than what our corn fed beef are now made of. As far as K, 40-60meq of suppliment would/should cover the fruit contribution of K for DASH...or alot of low sodium V8. I was thining of making my own and then I can add as much " No Salt " potassium Cl to it as I want...or can stand the taste of. I think all the fruit i am eating is going right to my waistline..becuase I am still eating too many other calories. I like all the foods on Dash, but they are not always available and my family isnt very cooperative in eating my Dash meals. Another thing, noone really seems to understand the seriousness of PA, kind alike DM2. They just kinda blow it off becuase I think people I explain PA to, dont think of it as an immediate death sentence. Kind a like just being overweight or something. Noone gets it becuase it is not a popular thing to explain the problem. My symptoms are similar to Fibro, and noone understand the hell those people go through either, becuase " you look fine. " I know I have to just put my foot down and take control. But, if I was good at that, I wouldnt be tipping the scale at nearly 250lbs either. Well that is what we suspect humans ate in the old days.CE Grim MD The overly-simplified answer to this is that with a few exceptions, most high K foods are also high carb. This is similar to the problem that I am facing with my food intolerances - my intolerances are all to different types of carbohydrates, so to follow a diet for one of my health conditions means sacrificing another. I wonder if it's possible for you to get your K in the form of green veggies, avocados, almonds, mushrooms, and high-fat dairy? Unlike fruit, these foods won't promote insulin fluctuations. Trouble is, you have to eat a LOT to get that 4300+ grams of K per day - I'm not sure it's humanly possible -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not > considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough > Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more > like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot > of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms > worse. > > Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH > diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat > doesnt. > > =========================================================================== > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > *DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011* > -- ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sort of like a gorilla but they don't each much meat and almost no salt-only what is in leaves, roots, few bugs etc.You might enjoy reading Denton's The Hunger for Salt which you should be able to get from Libp-they will need to get it on interlib loan.Was going to give a copy to colleague but price was $250.Also see Ancle Keys: The Physiology of Starvation. Volume 1 and 2. This is the WWII research in which we starved human volunteers and then refed them different types of foods to see what got them back to health the fastest. Turns out it did not make much difference. Just provide food.CE Grim MDRead about the psychology of starvation. You mean we think they ate DASH like, or low carb? We didnt process grain until about 10000 years ago. The paleo people think we ate alot of meat. I wonder if we just ate alot more differnt root veggies, berries, fruit, and a ton of bugs , grubs, worms, etc. We also ate a different kind of animal. Leaner, better fats than what our corn fed beef are now made of. As far as K, 40-60meq of suppliment would/should cover the fruit contribution of K for DASH...or alot of low sodium V8. I was thining of making my own and then I can add as much "No Salt" potassium Cl to it as I want...or can stand the taste of. I think all the fruit i am eating is going right to my waistline..becuase I am still eating too many other calories. I like all the foods on Dash, but they are not always available and my family isnt very cooperative in eating my Dash meals. Another thing, noone really seems to understand the seriousness of PA, kind alike DM2. They just kinda blow it off becuase I think people I explain PA to, dont think of it as an immediate death sentence. Kind a like just being overweight or something. Noone gets it becuase it is not a popular thing to explain the problem. My symptoms are similar to Fibro, and noone understand the hell those people go through either, becuase "you look fine." I know I have to just put my foot down and take control. But, if I was good at that, I wouldnt be tipping the scale at nearly 250lbs either. Well that is what we suspect humans ate in the old days.CE Grim MD The overly-simplified answer to this is that with a few exceptions, most high K foods are also high carb. This is similar to the problem that I am facing with my food intolerances - my intolerances are all to different types of carbohydrates, so to follow a diet for one of my health conditions means sacrificing another. I wonder if it's possible for you to get your K in the form of green veggies, avocados, almonds, mushrooms, and high-fat dairy? Unlike fruit, these foods won't promote insulin fluctuations. Trouble is, you have to eat a LOT to get that 4300+ grams of K per day - I'm not sure it's humanly possible -msmith1928 Nulliparous female, 46, 5'3", 120 lbs, polymenorrhea, hyperinsulinemia, hereditary fructose intolerance, lactose intolerance, probable gluten intolerance. Current meds are K 20 MEQ 4x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg to regulate polymenorrhea, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg as needed. Low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet. Known drug allergies include PCN, sulfa, tetracycline. 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); spiro caused gynecomastia, polymenorrhea, depression, anxiety, and dizziness > > I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not > considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough > Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more > like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost alot > of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA symptoms > worse. > > Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the DASH > diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat > doesnt. > > =========================================================================== > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9"- 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > *DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011* > -- ============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. Meds: 100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain DASH: Started "sort of" DASHing 5/3/2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 , what was the life expectency 10000 years ago? That might be the answer! And speaking of our " grain fed meat " , what was added to the grain? I've raised a few chickens and you can buy either medicated or nonmedicated grain. They add medication to eliminate parasites that attach to their intestines. I buy nonmedicated and add a capful of vinegar to their water, the acid is enough to eliminate the parasite's legs so they can't attach! BTW if you feed medicated to ducks they will eat enough to poison themself! I found people quickly became believers when I started parking in handicap and pulled an oxygen tank out of the back seat! (Ofcourse a TIA back in 2001 may have given those close to me a hint of the possibilities!) I think the O2 made my wife a believer and it certainly was a motivator for me to learn how to spell DASH. I think when you start looking up the side effects, like LVH and CKD, and realize you were right on the edge of disaster but have been given an opportunity for a second chance if you will work for it! I won't go on but I will tell you the Hypertension Primer has been very valuable in pulling together the complete picture! (BTW if you want to talk about Fibromyalgia I can do pretty good there too. My wife was involved in an accident 20+ yrs ago and that triggered her case, over 3yrs to DX and nobody believes her, she looks " normal " !) - 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank & testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 123/69 Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2. and PTSD. Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, 81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 50 MG. > > > > > > I was wondering (again) what the reason why lowsalt/lowcarb is not > > > considered good for PA, or is it okay as long as you are getting enough > > > Potassium/Mag/Calcium suppliments? I am not talking atkins low carb, more > > > like 40-50grams of net carbs per day. Last time I was doing it, I lost > > alot > > > of weight, but I was eating salt like crazy and probably made my PA > > symptoms > > > worse. > > > > > > Maybe a better question is why such a little amount of protein on the > > DASH > > > diet? Carbs make me hungry and I seems to always eat too much. Meat/fat > > > doesnt. > > > > > > > > =========================================================================== > > > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > > > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > > > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > > > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > > > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > > > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > > > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > > > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring > > on > > > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > > > > > *DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ============================================================================ > *45-Male-Caucasian*, 5'9 " - 234lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected > Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS. > *Meds: *100mg Spiro, 40 MEQ Potassium, 1800mg Calcium, 500mg Magnesium, > 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 20mg Omeprazole > *Side effects: *Gynecomastia, stomach inflammation > Other Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, > Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in > left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Benign Lung Nodules, Fibromyalgia, Scarring on > Right Kidney Lower Pole, Right Flank Pain > > *DASH: Started " sort of " DASHing 5/3/2011* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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