Re: The local dairy here isnt allowed to sell raw milk anymore.

[Guest guest]

Where  are you located?Over a dozen people recently got ill and the wife of my veterinarianis in the hospital, paralyzed from ingesting Campylobacter in the rawmilk.This is scary. The wife of my vet had been drinking raw milk foryears. Shes been in the hospital now for almost a month because ofthat one time it didn't go well. Keeping in mind that tragedy canstrike anyone at anytime (raw milk aside), it is still unnerving whenits this close to home.I would be interested to see if she continues to consume raw dairyproducts though.Best,

[Guest guest]

I live in this area as well (or somewhat close, anyway, as it is a

pretty isolated community). It is in northern CA & southern OR, near

the boarder of these two states, on the coast.

I was aware of this incident as well. Assuming that it was the milk

that made this person/people sick it might have just been a lapse of

common sense. I don't know if it is true or not, but I was also told

that this farmer had an obscene number of cows (like a thousand). I

think that anytime you are dealing with those kind of numbers (even if

it was just a hundred) you run the risk of contamination. A hundred

animals means a lot of manure and even just a little can contaminate

the milk. I mean that's why pasteurization helped, farmers have these

huge number of cows where you pretty much have to cut corners to get

everything done. The corners cut result in so many bad things - sick

people, sick animals and mass treatment which leads to antibiotic

resistance in animals and people - just a big mess. If it was just

done right in the first place... but I guess it's just not as

profitable and takes too much effort, unfortunately.

I don't think this incident really scares (as perhaps it was intended

to) those people who have a couple to a handful of animals and know

how to keep things clean or the people that get their raw milk from

clean sources.

Anyway, I don't think it has had much effect on the local raw milk

drinkers. If anything, it make them more conscientious about their

source, which is not a bad thing. It has seemed to have an effect on

the suppliers, though. I'm not sure, again, how much truth there is to

this, but supposedly there is someone (I assume from the health dept,

but maybe sheriff's dept) getting people from craigslist who sell raw

milk. There has been one arrest so far, according to the person who

passed this information on to me. Pretty shady stuff.... I always

thought it would be entrapment to solicit people like that?

I hope this blows over soon enough but I'm not counting on it.

Micah

>

> Over a dozen people recently got ill and the wife of my veterinarian

> is in the hospital, paralyzed from ingesting Campylobacter in the raw

> milk.

>

> This is scary. The wife of my vet had been drinking raw milk for

> years. Shes been in the hospital now for almost a month because of

> that one time it didn't go well. Keeping in mind that tragedy can

> strike anyone at anytime (raw milk aside), it is still unnerving when

> its this close to home.

>

> I would be interested to see if she continues to consume raw dairy

> products though.

>

> Best,

>

>

[Guest guest]

very valuable information ; let's have some facts please

names+ address of the supplier whose milk is under suspicion

lab reports from samples of milk

names and addresses of people supposedly poisoned by the milk

from what we've seen so far, this appears to be a texbook example of what Mark McAfee says 'there are two kinds of raw milk produced in America. Raw milk from the commercial farms which has to be pasteurized to make it fit for human consumption. Versus raw milk produced for people who want REAL MILK'

=================> >> > Over a dozen people recently got ill and the wife of my veterinarian> > is in the hospital, paralyzed from ingesting Campylobacter in the raw> > milk.> > > > This is scary. The wife of my vet had been drinking raw milk for> > years. Shes been in the hospital now for almost a month because of> > that one time it didn't go well. Keeping in mind that tragedy can> > strike anyone at anytime (raw milk aside), it is still unnerving when> > its this close to home.> > > > I would be interested to see if she continues to consume raw dairy> > products though.> > > > Best,> > > >>

[Guest guest]

I think this is the incident being described. It doesn't say how many

cows at the dairy but that they had about 115 customers.

http://www.triplicate.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=9851

Chrys

At 11:39 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:

>I live in this area as well (or somewhat close, anyway, as it is a

>pretty isolated community). It is in northern CA & southern OR, near

>the boarder of these two states, on the coast.

>I was aware of this incident as well. Assuming that it was the milk

>that made this person/people sick it might have just been a lapse of

>common sense. I don't know if it is true or not, but I was also told

>that this farmer had an obscene number of cows (like a thousand). I

>think that anytime you are dealing with those kind of numbers (even if

>it was just a hundred) you run the risk of contamination. A hundred

>animals means a lot of manure and even just a little can contaminate

>the milk. I mean that's why pasteurization helped, farmers have these

>huge number of cows where you pretty much have to cut corners to get

>everything done. The corners cut result in so many bad things - sick

>people, sick animals and mass treatment which leads to antibiotic

>resistance in animals and people - just a big mess. If it was just

>done right in the first place... but I guess it's just not as

>profitable and takes too much effort, unfortunately.

>I don't think this incident really scares (as perhaps it was intended

>to) those people who have a couple to a handful of animals and know

>how to keep things clean or the people that get their raw milk from

>clean sources.

>Anyway, I don't think it has had much effect on the local raw milk

>drinkers. If anything, it make them more conscientious about their

>source, which is not a bad thing. It has seemed to have an effect on

>the suppliers, though. I'm not sure, again, how much truth there is to

>this, but supposedly there is someone (I assume from the health dept,

>but maybe sheriff's dept) getting people from craigslist who sell raw

>milk. There has been one arrest so far, according to the person who

>passed this information on to me. Pretty shady stuff.... I always

>thought it would be entrapment to solicit people like that?

>I hope this blows over soon enough but I'm not counting on it.

>Micah

>

>

> >

> > Over a dozen people recently got ill and the wife of my veterinarian

> > is in the hospital, paralyzed from ingesting Campylobacter in the raw

> > milk.

> >

> > This is scary. The wife of my vet had been drinking raw milk for

> > years. Shes been in the hospital now for almost a month because of

> > that one time it didn't go well. Keeping in mind that tragedy can

> > strike anyone at anytime (raw milk aside), it is still unnerving when

> > its this close to home.

> >

> > I would be interested to see if she continues to consume raw dairy

> > products though.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

There is just so much wrong with this. Public health documenting a person sick that never consumed raw milk. No testing connection with the farm itself and it goes on from there.In cases like this I question who got to them with what threats?The only good thing out of this is that people may question their source more. As much as I am a raw advocate I have seen a few operations that are an accident waiting to happen.KurtisI think this is the incident being described. It doesn't say how many cows at the dairy but that they had about 115 customers.http://www.triplicate.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=9851ChrysAt 11:39 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:>I live in this area as well (or somewhat close, anyway, as it is a>pretty isolated community). It is in northern CA & southern OR, near>the boarder of these two states, on the coast.>I was aware of this incident as well. Assuming that it was the milk>that made this person/people sick it might have just been a lapse of>common sense. I don't know if it is true or not, but I was also told>that this farmer had an obscene number of cows (like a thousand). I>think that anytime you are dealing with those kind of numbers (even if>it was just a hundred) you run the risk of contamination. A hundred>animals means a lot of manure and even just a little can contaminate>the milk. I mean that's why pasteurization helped, farmers have these>huge number of cows where you pretty much have to cut corners to get>everything done. The corners cut result in so many bad things - sick>people, sick animals and mass treatment which leads to antibiotic>resistance in animals and people - just a big mess. If it was just>done right in the first place... but I guess it's just not as>profitable and takes too much effort, unfortunately.>I don't think this incident really scares (as perhaps it was intended>to) those people who have a couple to a handful of animals and know>how to keep things clean or the people that get their raw milk from>clean sources.>Anyway, I don't think it has had much effect on the local raw milk>drinkers. If anything, it make them more conscientious about their>source, which is not a bad thing. It has seemed to have an effect on>the suppliers, though. I'm not sure, again, how much truth there is to>this, but supposedly there is someone (I assume from the health dept,>but maybe sheriff's dept) getting people from craigslist who sell raw>milk. There has been one arrest so far, according to the person who>passed this information on to me. Pretty shady stuff.... I always>thought it would be entrapment to solicit people like that?>I hope this blows over soon enough but I'm not counting on it.>Micah>>> >> > Over a dozen people recently got ill and the wife of my veterinarian> > is in the hospital, paralyzed from ingesting Campylobacter in the raw> > milk.> >> > This is scary. The wife of my vet had been drinking raw milk for> > years. Shes been in the hospital now for almost a month because of> > that one time it didn't go well. Keeping in mind that tragedy can> > strike anyone at anytime (raw milk aside), it is still unnerving when> > its this close to home.> >> > I would be interested to see if she continues to consume raw dairy> > products though.> >> > Best,> > > >>>>>------------------------------------>>PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!>Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/>>Archive search: http://onibasu.com>>

[Guest guest]

>I don't know if it is true or not, but I was also told

>that this farmer had an obscene number of cows (like a thousand). I

>think that anytime you are dealing with those kind of numbers (even if

>it was just a hundred) you run the risk of contamination. A hundred

>animals means a lot of manure and even just a little can contaminate

>the milk.

I wonder if it could have more to do with that it seems that the raw business

was a small

part of the farmers operations, most of it being focused just on organic. I

would think that

Organic Pastures and the other one in CA selling through stores might have at

least 100

cows each, no?, but raw dairy is their focus and passion (at least I think so).

[Guest guest]

From the article, it appears that the raw dairy herd share was a

small sideline of a larger organic dairy operation. It is my

understanding that this is one of the provisions in SB201 - that a

dairy must decide if it will produce for the raw milk market or the

processed milk market and cannot do both.

There appear to be a few cases in this outbreak among persons who did

not drink raw milk as well, so it does not appear conclusive that the

contamination came from the EcoDairy - it could have, but there is

not enough information availble in the article.

My mom lives in So Oregon and was immobilized by a campylobactor

infection shortly after the Crescent City incident (she's

recovered). My mom did not consume any raw milk. She had

pasteurized milk. We are thinking it may have been the Trader Joe's

bagged romaine lettuce or contaminated meat in a frozen entree. The

Oregon dept of health never investigated so we will never know where

the infection orginated, and since the CDFA stops investigating food

contamination the moment raw milk is on the menu, we will probably

never know the real source of the outbreaks in the Humbolt/DelNorte

counties either.

One would hope that when the milk bottles and tanks test negative,

that the CDFA would persue the other items consumed (spinach,

tomatoes, meat etc)to find all possible sources of contamination.

That would really be looking out for the public health.

[Guest guest]

The fallacy or misconception is that the CDFA was ever setup or designed to protect the Public's Health, their main function, focus and reason to exist is solely to protect industrial producers from liability at the Corporate level of industry.All you have to do to confirm this is to critically examine the rules governing the; CDFA, AMA, FDA etc.. and their behavior, again assessing who most benefits from the application of the rules, and who is more injured!Unlearn the habit of believing everything you are told without first making a critical review of the information.Including my opinion, all must be questioned, the only reliable means to protect your self and your family is to remember that even when talking to you Doctor, it is still only his opinion! RickOne would hope that the CDFA would pursue the other items consumed (spinach, tomatoes, meat etc)to find all possible sources of contamination.That would really be looking out for the public health.*******************************************************************>> From the article, it appears that the raw dairy herd share was a > small sideline of a larger organic dairy operation. It is my > understanding that this is one of the provisions in SB201 - that a > dairy must decide if it will produce for the raw milk market or the > processed milk market and cannot do both. > > There appear to be a few cases in this outbreak among persons who did > not drink raw milk as well, so it does not appear conclusive that the > contamination came from the EcoDairy - it could have, but there is > not enough information availble in the article.> > My mom lives in So Oregon and was immobilized by a campylobactor > infection shortly after the Crescent City incident (she's > recovered). My mom did not consume any raw milk. She had > pasteurized milk. We are thinking it may have been the Trader Joe's > bagged romaine lettuce or contaminated meat in a frozen entree. The > Oregon dept of health never investigated so we will never know where > the infection orginated, and since the CDFA stops investigating food > contamination the moment raw milk is on the menu, we will probably > never know the real source of the outbreaks in the Humbolt/DelNorte > counties either. > > One would hope that when the milk bottles and tanks test negative, > that the CDFA would persue the other items consumed (spinach, > tomatoes, meat etc)to find all possible sources of contamination. > That would really be looking out for the public health.>

[Guest guest]

Rick, I was speaking " tongue in cheek " when I said that the CDFA

following up on all possible sources of contamination would truly be

looking out for the public health.

[Guest guest]

Outside of Crescent City, CA near Fort Dick.

Best,

[Guest guest]

Thats good to know. I hate it when healthy, raw products (especialyl

meat and dairy) are to blame without getting all of the facts

surrounding the incident.

I am a regular client of the veterinarian whose wife is currently

paralyzed. He is seldom at his practice as his wife is still in bad

condition at the hospital. Maybe in a month or so I will be able to

talk with him more about it.

Best,

[Guest guest]

It would be very interesting to hear what she has to say.

I talked to a nurse that worked in Hayward, WI when the same type of

outbreak occured during Thanksgiving a few years ago. She said when

people came in they were asked if they had drank raw milk. If they had

they wanted to talk to them, if not, they were given antibiotics and

sent home. Of course, raw milk got the blame. Nothing but lies and

distortion from this government gone mad.

Cheyenne

>

> Thats good to know. I hate it when healthy, raw products (especialyl

> meat and dairy) are to blame without getting all of the facts

> surrounding the incident.

>

> I am a regular client of the veterinarian whose wife is currently

> paralyzed. He is seldom at his practice as his wife is still in bad

> condition at the hospital. Maybe in a month or so I will be able to

> talk with him more about it.

>

> Best,

>

>