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Hi erveryone,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in this

and at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvic

touch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash of

organic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it is

obviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out of

control). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There's

a vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try the

pancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to say

that we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (I

don't think there is any other option) What are the options on things

like yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have bought

a CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha

). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hard

knowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think we

can manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,

travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefuly

received. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisopther

and Zofia (5 weeks old)

>

> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking

> for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it

> doesn't) so we can think some more

> Sally

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Hi,

Personally

I think there’s always a compromise because the ideal diet is very hard.

My Tom has organic crisps because it is hard to think of snacks to give him. they’re not great because of the packaging with the aluminium

lining and the high salt content and because they are potato (a lot of people

swear by the SCD diet which we don’t do). I’m thinking of making

crisps but that’s three years into the diet! As for yoghurts organic

natural yoghurt is in theory very good for your child because of the high probiotic content but many of our children have an intolerance to casein or cow’s milk. I recommend a

trial of about 4 days completely dairy free. If it makes no difference you can

give natural yoghurt but the flavoured ones will be full of sugar at best and artificial

additives at worst. After trialling dairy free it is worth trying your child on

goat’s/ sheep’s or jersey or Guernsey milk as often people

tolerate these better than Friesian milk.

Someone

has mentioned xylitol. It’s good for the gut

and a natural product so try sweetening things with that if he’s craving

sugar. Watch for reactions tough as someone else has already said. We buy “Biona buckwheat and almond cookies” which Tom loves

but so far I’ve never met another kid that likes them!!! we get them from http://www.dietaryneedsdirect.co.uk/cnb/shop/dietaryneedsdirect

They are sweetened with honey.

The

more you cook yourself the better – definitely!.

About

the conflicting advice you will get loads but that is because our children are

all different. Going for natural, home-cooked and organic are good for all our

children. It’s worth listening to all the advice and then trialling everything

with your child. You have to be careful when you eliminate foods though, not to

replace them with something worse. I made this mistake. When I took Tom off

gluten, I replaced it with corn and rice and then later realised he could

tolerate neither of these. I replaced dairy with soya

which he had a horrible reaction to. I also started to buy gf/cf stuff from TESCO’s before realising that it was full of e

numbers, yeast and sugar – some of the stuff I was buying was very nasty.

It’s

a bit of a minefield but worth it,

Sara

x

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Subject:

Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in this

and at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvic

touch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash of

organic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it is

obviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out of

control). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There's

a vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try the

pancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to say

that we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (I

don't think there is any other option) What are the options on things

like yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have bought

a CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha

). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hard

knowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think we

can manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,

travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefuly

received. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisopther

and Zofia (5 weeks old)

>

> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking

> for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it

> doesn't) so we can think some more

> Sally

>

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funny you mention xylitol as i have found some dairy free choc sweetened with it and was going to ask if its ok....... i thought sucralose was ok too though? my daughter has candida so we are trying to avoid sugar. does anyone know where i can buy xylitol from?

emma

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Hi,

Personally I think there’s always a compromise because the ideal diet is very hard. My Tom has organic crisps because it is hard to think of snacks to give him. they’re not great because of the packaging with the aluminium lining and the high salt content and because they are potato (a lot of people swear by the SCD diet which we don’t do). I’m thinking of making crisps but that’s three years into the diet! As for yoghurts organic natural yoghurt is in theory very good for your child because of the high probiotic content but many of our children have an intolerance to casein or cow’s milk. I recommend a trial of about 4 days completely dairy free. If it makes no difference you can give natural yoghurt but the flavoured ones will be full of sugar at best and artificial additives at worst. After trialling dairy free it is worth trying your child on goat’s/ sheep’s or jersey or Guernsey milk as often people tolerate these better than Friesian milk.

Someone has mentioned xylitol. It’s good for the gut and a natural product so try sweetening things with that if he’s craving sugar. Watch for reactions tough as someone else has already said. We buy “Biona buckwheat and almond cookies” which Tom loves but so far I’ve never met another kid that likes them!!! we get them from http://www.dietaryneedsdirect.co.uk/cnb/shop/dietaryneedsdirect They are sweetened with honey.

The more you cook yourself the better – definitely!.

About the conflicting advice you will get loads but that is because our children are all different. Going for natural, home-cooked and organic are good for all our children. It’s worth listening to all the advice and then trialling everything with your child. You have to be careful when you eliminate foods though, not to replace them with something worse. I made this mistake. When I took Tom off gluten, I replaced it with corn and rice and then later realised he could tolerate neither of these. I replaced dairy with soya which he had a horrible reaction to. I also started to buy gf/cf stuff from TESCO’s before realising that it was full of e numbers, yeast and sugar – some of the stuff I was buying was very nasty.

It’s a bit of a minefield but worth it,

Sara x

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of jamesboydrSent: 10 April 2008 09:50To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in thisand at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvictouch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash oforganic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it isobviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out ofcontrol). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There'sa vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try thepancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to saythat we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (Idon't think there is any other option) What are the options on thingslike yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have boughta CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hardknowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think wecan manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefulyreceived. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisoptherand Zofia (5 weeks old)>> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it > doesn't) so we can think some more> Sally>

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He must be the loveliest little boy if taking away his sweets and giving

him a new baby sister only make him slightly more out of control.

Sara said it all really when she said that lots of the advice is

conflicting and you will have to make up your own mind about lots of

things. I substitute dried fruit and whole fruit for sweets but some

people would say that they feed yeast. Organic crisps, dried banana

slices, rice cakes can be hard to digest.

A trial removing milk may give you a really good response quite quickly.

Commercial yoghurts are out I'm afraid just for the sugar and the

additives but if he tolerates milk you can easily make your own. Just

like you will be making everything else.

One thing maybe worth trying is digestive enzymes. If he is not

digesting his food properly he probably feels bad. If you can improve

his digestion you may get better nutritional value out of what he eats,

and if he enjoys eating he may be willing to eat more and more widely. A

virtuous circle. Maybe worth a try.

You are doing really well. With a five-week-old baby in the house I

think you are doing marvellously

Sally

jamesboydr wrote:

>

> Hi erveryone,

>

> Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in this

> and at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvic

> touch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash of

> organic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it is

> obviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out of

> control). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There's

> a vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try the

> pancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to say

> that we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (I

> don't think there is any other option) What are the options on things

> like yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have bought

> a CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha

> ). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hard

> knowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think we

> can manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,

> travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefuly

> received. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisopther

> and Zofia (5 weeks old)

>

>

> >

> > Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking

> > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it

> > doesn't) so we can think some more

> > Sally

> >

>

>

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i dont think sucralose is aspartame as you aren't allowed aspartame on the atkins diet but you are allowed sucralose (trade name splenda).

thanks for the sainsburys tip, will have a look for that.

emma

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Sass and RemSent: 10 April 2008 16:37To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

Xylitol is available in Sainsbury’s and is called Perfect Sweet (and health shops). sucralose is aspartame I think and very nasty.

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Emma & Dan Sent: 10 April 2008 12:22To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

funny you mention xylitol as i have found some dairy free choc sweetened with it and was going to ask if its ok....... i thought sucralose was ok too though? my daughter has candida so we are trying to avoid sugar. does anyone know where i can buy xylitol from?

emma

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Sass and RemSent: 10 April 2008 12:07To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

Hi,

Personally I think there’s always a compromise because the ideal diet is very hard. My Tom has organic crisps because it is hard to think of snacks to give him. they’re not great because of the packaging with the aluminium lining and the high salt content and because they are potato (a lot of people swear by the SCD diet which we don’t do). I’m thinking of making crisps but that’s three years into the diet! As for yoghurts organic natural yoghurt is in theory very good for your child because of the high probiotic content but many of our children have an intolerance to casein or cow’s milk. I recommend a trial of about 4 days completely dairy free. If it makes no difference you can give natural yoghurt but the flavoured ones will be full of sugar at best and artificial additives at worst. After trialling dairy free it is worth trying your child on goat’s/ sheep’s or jersey or Guernsey milk as often people tolerate these better than Friesian milk.

Someone has mentioned xylitol. It’s good for the gut and a natural product so try sweetening things with that if he’s craving sugar. Watch for reactions tough as someone else has already said. We buy “Biona buckwheat and almond cookies” which Tom loves but so far I’ve never met another kid that likes them!!! we get them from http://www.dietaryneedsdirect.co.uk/cnb/shop/dietaryneedsdirect They are sweetened with honey.

The more you cook yourself the better – definitely!.

About the conflicting advice you will get loads but that is because our children are all different. Going for natural, home-cooked and organic are good for all our children. It’s worth listening to all the advice and then trialling everything with your child. You have to be careful when you eliminate foods though, not to replace them with something worse. I made this mistake. When I took Tom off gluten, I replaced it with corn and rice and then later realised he could tolerate neither of these. I replaced dairy with soya which he had a horrible reaction to. I also started to buy gf/cf stuff from TESCO’s before realising that it was full of e numbers, yeast and sugar – some of the stuff I was buying was very nasty.

It’s a bit of a minefield but worth it,

Sara x

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of jamesboydrSent: 10 April 2008 09:50To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in thisand at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvictouch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash oforganic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it isobviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out ofcontrol). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There'sa vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try thepancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to saythat we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (Idon't think there is any other option) What are the options on thingslike yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have boughta CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hardknowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think wecan manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefulyreceived. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisoptherand Zofia (5 weeks old)>> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it > doesn't) so we can think some more> Sally>

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Hi, just thinking, what other books do you have ? do you have the

Jepson one ? it is very good, it is important to keep focused on the

healing that you are doing by taking his fav foods away.

banana is okay with as is pear

are you using any supplements yet?

keep going :)

Lara

> > >

> > > Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were

looking

> > > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially

if it

> > > doesn't) so we can think some more

> > > Sally

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Believe me Splenda is

really bad for you!!

Sal x

http://www.mercola.com/sweet-deception-aspartame/index.htm

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Sent: 10 April 2008 22:04

To:

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Re: dietary intervention for

i dont

think sucralose is aspartame as you aren't allowed aspartame on the atkins diet

but you are allowed sucralose (trade name splenda).

thanks

for the sainsburys tip, will have a look for that.

emma

Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in this

and at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvic

touch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash of

organic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it is

obviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out of

control). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There's

a vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try the

pancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to say

that we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (I

don't think there is any other option) What are the options on things

like yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have bought

a CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha

). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hard

knowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think we

can manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,

travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefuly

received. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisopther

and Zofia (5 weeks old)

>

> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking

> for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it

> doesn't) so we can think some more

> Sally

>

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Have a look at Organic Agave

Syrup from you Health Food Shop. Natural sweetener from the Agave plant.

Sal x

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From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Emma & Dan

Sent: 10 April 2008 22:04

To:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: RE:

Re: dietary intervention for

i dont

think sucralose is aspartame as you aren't allowed aspartame on the atkins diet

but you are allowed sucralose (trade name splenda).

thanks

for the sainsburys tip, will have a look for that.

emma

Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in this

and at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvic

touch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash of

organic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it is

obviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out of

control). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There's

a vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try the

pancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to say

that we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (I

don't think there is any other option) What are the options on things

like yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have bought

a CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha

). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hard

knowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think we

can manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,

travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefuly

received. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisopther

and Zofia (5 weeks old)

>

> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking

> for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it

> doesn't) so we can think some more

> Sally

>

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thanks for that sal, its so difficult to know whats for the best! gf/cf diet is all very well but add to that cutting out things because of the candida, its a minefield.

emma

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Sally Sent: 10 April 2008 22:15To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

Have a look at Organic Agave Syrup from you Health Food Shop. Natural sweetener from the Agave plant.

Sal x

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Emma & Dan Sent: 10 April 2008 22:04To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

i dont think sucralose is aspartame as you aren't allowed aspartame on the atkins diet but you are allowed sucralose (trade name splenda).

thanks for the sainsburys tip, will have a look for that.

emma

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Sass and RemSent: 10 April 2008 16:37To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

Xylitol is available in Sainsbury’s and is called Perfect Sweet (and health shops). sucralose is aspartame I think and very nasty.

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Emma & Dan Sent: 10 April 2008 12:22To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

funny you mention xylitol as i have found some dairy free choc sweetened with it and was going to ask if its ok....... i thought sucralose was ok too though? my daughter has candida so we are trying to avoid sugar. does anyone know where i can buy xylitol from?

emma

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of Sass and RemSent: 10 April 2008 12:07To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: RE: Re: dietary intervention for

Hi,

Personally I think there’s always a compromise because the ideal diet is very hard. My Tom has organic crisps because it is hard to think of snacks to give him. they’re not great because of the packaging with the aluminium lining and the high salt content and because they are potato (a lot of people swear by the SCD diet which we don’t do). I’m thinking of making crisps but that’s three years into the diet! As for yoghurts organic natural yoghurt is in theory very good for your child because of the high probiotic content but many of our children have an intolerance to casein or cow’s milk. I recommend a trial of about 4 days completely dairy free. If it makes no difference you can give natural yoghurt but the flavoured ones will be full of sugar at best and artificial additives at worst. After trialling dairy free it is worth trying your child on goat’s/ sheep’s or jersey or Guernsey milk as often people tolerate these better than Friesian milk.

Someone has mentioned xylitol. It’s good for the gut and a natural product so try sweetening things with that if he’s craving sugar. Watch for reactions tough as someone else has already said. We buy “Biona buckwheat and almond cookies” which Tom loves but so far I’ve never met another kid that likes them!!! we get them from http://www.dietaryneedsdirect.co.uk/cnb/shop/dietaryneedsdirect They are sweetened with honey.

The more you cook yourself the better – definitely!.

About the conflicting advice you will get loads but that is because our children are all different. Going for natural, home-cooked and organic are good for all our children. It’s worth listening to all the advice and then trialling everything with your child. You have to be careful when you eliminate foods though, not to replace them with something worse. I made this mistake. When I took Tom off gluten, I replaced it with corn and rice and then later realised he could tolerate neither of these. I replaced dairy with soya which he had a horrible reaction to. I also started to buy gf/cf stuff from TESCO’s before realising that it was full of e numbers, yeast and sugar – some of the stuff I was buying was very nasty.

It’s a bit of a minefield but worth it,

Sara x

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of jamesboydrSent: 10 April 2008 09:50To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: Re: dietary intervention for

Hi erveryone,Thanks for all the suggestions. I suddenly don't feel so alone in thisand at least know where I am aiming to get to. I stopped the volvictouch of fruit yesterday and replaced it with water with a splash oforganic cordial. He is now going cold turkey on sweets, but it isobviously making him a but depressed (and slightly more out ofcontrol). (as they were part of how we managed his behaviour) There'sa vicious cycle if ever youv'e seen one. I am going to try thepancakes tonight and get some organic crisps. Would it be safe to saythat we will have to source all our own foods and cook ourselves (Idon't think there is any other option) What are the options on thingslike yogurts? Do they have to come out of the equation? I have boughta CF/GF book and also Gut and Phscycolgy Syndrome (Dr Natasha). These books conflict in their approach, so it is hardknowing what is right. I am very happy to start small and I think wecan manage mealtimes ok, it is the rest of the time, out shopping,travelling etc. Any more suggestions will be very very gratefulyreceived. Again. Thank you everyone from Myself, Chrisoptherand Zofia (5 weeks old)>> Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were looking > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially if it > doesn't) so we can think some more> Sally>

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Hello Everyone,

Thanks again for the support. It is starting to come together a bit

more now. Does anyone have any thoughts on pro-biotics and digestive

enzymes? Are there any that can be started with now or should we wait

until we have results back from tests? My shopping list for this

weekend is looking pretty interesting now!

> > >

> > > Are any of these ideas any good or the sort of thing you were

looking

> > > for? Do give us some feedback if any of it helps (and especially

if it

> > > doesn't) so we can think some more

> > > Sally

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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