Grassfed versus corn supplements

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Nodding ~ thanks!!

I count grass, it sure is not grain.Bill

Subject: Re: Grassfed versus corn supplementsTo: RawDairy Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:45 PM

Thanks, Bill.

Not trying to be a PITA, but does hay count or not count as green grass? I've seen some GORGEOUS hay that is soft and green and sweet smelling. So it is very green, but dried.

THANKS!

Ellen

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Ah ha! It's all coming together. Thanks!

Greetings,No, that is why it is important to make butter in the spring. Butter will keep the K2 for you and will keep in the freezer until next spring. All of this is assuming you are not in a drought and depending on hay in the spring, like we are this year.Bright Blessings,Garth & Kim www.TheRoseColoredForest.comBedias, Texas

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I did. Hopefully, I did not miss something. SW Ohio seems to have several options, but I did not find anything within a 2 hour drive. And, honestly, 2 hours one way would be too much for a weekly trip just for milk.

Thanks!

Ellen Schwab

43748

Have you checked out the Ohio page at EatWild?http://www.eatwild.com/products/ohio.htmlBlessings to you!CLRose

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When I was growing up in the bad old days of the 50s and 60s, we fed ground ear corn at a rate of about 10 pounds per head per day. It was organic, (well almost, N was very cheap and we did not use much) saved our seed and did not use herbicides. Hogs got a little supplement, chicken scratched out what they could. Silage was made from mostly corn, cut and chopped in the milk stage, dent is starting to be too dry. Must have 55-60% moisture to properly pickle. Even most commercial farms used only a little atrazine, manure and a little N. The Hybrids were mostly single cross and not GMO. Many farmers made silage or green chop from small grains and other mixes. Sorghum, grass and even soybeans in the early bloom.All this is fine, if the cows still have access to 50% or more of the diet in green grass.Bill

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I count grass, it sure is not grain.BillSubject: Re: Grassfed versus corn supplementsTo: RawDairy Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:45 PM

Thanks, Bill.

Not trying to be a PITA, but does hay count or not count as green grass? I've seen some GORGEOUS hay that is soft and green and sweet smelling. So it is very green, but dried.

THANKS!

Ellen

All this is fine, if the cows still have access to 50% or more of the diet in green grass.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

No, that is why it is important to make butter in the spring. Butter

will keep the K2 for you and will keep in the freezer until next spring.

All of this is assuming you are not in a drought and depending on hay

in the spring, like we are this year.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

>

>

> Does the body get enough in the green season to last through the non

> green season?

> In a message dated 5/28/2011 3:20:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> gartht@... writes:

>

> Greetings,

> Hay is forage, so yes, it counts as grass fed. However, hay will not

> develop the K2 in the milk, that requires green grass with lots of

> calcium.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you checked out the Ohio page at EatWild?

http://www.eatwild.com/products/ohio.html

Blessings to you!

CLRose

>

> I think we all agree grassfed is best.

>

> However, I am finding 100% grassfed is just not available in my area.

>

> So 2 questions.

>

> 1) What kind of financial inducements ~ ie how high a price ~ would be

> needed to make it worthwhile to the dairyman?

>

> and 2) If 100% grassfed is not available at any price, how much corn and

> 'supplement' feed can I tolerate in my dairy cows and still enjoy healthful

> benefits?

>

>

> BTW, any got extra raw in Ohio ~ 43748?

>

> Ellen Schwab

>

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Most dairymen rely on the silage they make in late summer to carry them the whole year. most hope to have a 13-14 month supply, if they make excess, they can combine the corn and sell grain. Some make grass silage or cut green chop from small grain in the spring to fill in.Bill

Can corn silage then be used all year long . . . as a supplement?

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Not quite. Why to they call the Brits "Limeys" and the Germans "Krauts" They use what they could get, Limes from the tropics and pickled cabbage to provide the vitamin C and other things in the off season.Bill

Does the body get enough in the green season to last through the non green season?

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Great minds think alike! Thanks. I think this might work out!

Get a cow with a calf and milk her when you want to. Just leave the calf on, lock the cow up overnight once a week and milk her in the morning. Get an experienced cow so you dont have the learning curve and one that will share when she has a calf on her. A nice jersey or even better a nice guernsey...People do this all the time with both cows and goats. If you only need a couple gallons a week then only milk once a week. If she is a good milker you can put a couple calves on her but a nice 4-5 gallon jersey will raise you the best beef you ever tasted and the bull calf will take all her milk by the time he is 6 weeks old or so.....aliza

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Thank you,

Ellen, try joining the goatsohio Yahoo newslist & posting on there – lots of nice goat folk who should at least have some helpful suggestions, even if they’re not able to provide you w/ milk.

Another suggestion: if you can’t commit to a regular milking schedule, you could always get a very gentle, maternal cow that’s been used as a nurse cow & just graft a calf or two or twelve on her, so you can just milk when you need the milk.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Get a cow with a calf and milk her when you want to. Just leave the calf on,

lock the cow up overnight once a week and milk her in the morning. Get an

experienced cow so you dont have the learning curve and one that will share when

she has a calf on her. A nice jersey or even better a nice guernsey...People do

this all the time with both cows and goats. If you only need a couple gallons a

week then only milk once a week. If she is a good milker you can put a couple

calves on her but a nice 4-5 gallon jersey will raise you the best beef you ever

tasted and the bull calf will take all her milk by the time he is 6 weeks old or

so.....

aliza

>

> Thanks Cheyenne.

>

> I agree with all of that. The issue is, it is not available in my area.

> Or, I do not know where to find it.

>

> The salesman for the farm I was buying from insists that their cows get

> only grass and silage, no grains. She insists the corm is removed from the

> silage before it is chopped. However . . . the silage I saw had corn in it,

> and when I ask the kid helpers, they say they feed corn and barley. Every

> day. (Maybe they meant only in winter.) The salesman says it is all

> sprouted, but . . . from what I can see, it is not.

>

> So my choice is conventional, with lovely cows, very clean farm and 20

> minutes from me.

>

> Or the organic grassfed with the winks and nods 2 hours from me.

>

> Or store bought pasteurized.

>

> Number 3 is out. And I have a hard time dealing with folks when I think I

> caught them in a lie. And, an even harder time when they say their side

> LOUDER and dismiss the kids as confused.

>

> I've been advertising for a local herd share, but I suspect most local are

> not organic and not 100% grassfed.

>

> I do have land and fences and Angus beef cows. I would buy a milk cow,

> but I can't commit to the milking routine. I've put the word out that I'd

> take a partner on the milking. AND, I doubt we could use more than a gallon

> a day, so then I would have to find some customers. HAHAHHAHAH There is

> never an easy answer.

>

> Anyone close to 43748, give a shout if you have surplus milk, or want

> milk. <G>

>

> Ellen Schwab

> Junction City, Ohio

>

[Guest guest]

Ellen, try joining the goatsohio Yahoo newslist & posting on there – lots of nice goat folk who should at least have some helpful suggestions, even if they’re not able to provide you w/ milk.

Another suggestion: if you can’t commit to a regular milking schedule, you could always get a very gentle, maternal cow that’s been used as a nurse cow & just graft a calf or two or twelve on her, so you can just milk when you need the milk.

Best wishes,

- south-central MichiganLost Nation FarmADGA LaMancha, Toggenburg & Experimental Dairy GoatsWorking Mini-Aussies & AKC Welsh Pembroke Corgis & Komondorok( & one very pampered Guernsey Cow)www.lost-nation.com

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Greetings,

Even with a calf, a Jersey is going to be leaking milk onto the ground

by 36 hours after having her calf. She will be very uncomfortable

unless she is milked at least once a day, with the calf. Two calves are

needed to keep a Jersey milked out. And then you may still need to

milk. I am getting 3 gallons a day plus my bull calf that is now about

12 days old on grass and hay. No grains. If my bull calf ever starts

taking all the milk, he will become a bottle baby in a hurry.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

> Get a cow with a calf and milk her when you want to. Just leave the

> calf on, lock the cow up overnight once a week and milk her in the

> morning. Get an experienced cow so you dont have the learning curve

> and one that will share when she has a calf on her. A nice jersey or

> even better a nice guernsey...People do this all the time with both

> cows and goats. If you only need a couple gallons a week then only

> milk once a week. If she is a good milker you can put a couple

> calves on her but a nice 4-5 gallon jersey will raise you the best

> beef you ever tasted and the bull calf will take all her milk by the

> time he is 6 weeks old or so.....

>

> aliza

>

>

>>

>> Thanks Cheyenne.

>>

>> I agree with all of that. The issue is, it is not available in my

>> area. Or, I do not know where to find it.

>>

>> The salesman for the farm I was buying from insists that their cows

>> get only grass and silage, no grains. She insists the corm is

>> removed from the silage before it is chopped. However . . . the

>> silage I saw had corn in it, and when I ask the kid helpers, they

>> say they feed corn and barley. Every day. (Maybe they meant only

>> in winter.) The salesman says it is all sprouted, but . . . from

>> what I can see, it is not.

>>

>> So my choice is conventional, with lovely cows, very clean farm and

>> 20 minutes from me.

>>

>> Or the organic grassfed with the winks and nods 2 hours from me.

>>

>> Or store bought pasteurized.

>>

>> Number 3 is out. And I have a hard time dealing with folks when I

>> think I caught them in a lie. And, an even harder time when they

>> say their side LOUDER and dismiss the kids as confused.

>>

>> I've been advertising for a local herd share, but I suspect most

>> local are not organic and not 100% grassfed.

>>

>> I do have land and fences and Angus beef cows. I would buy a milk

>> cow, but I can't commit to the milking routine. I've put the word

>> out that I'd take a partner on the milking. AND, I doubt we could

>> use more than a gallon a day, so then I would have to find some

>> customers. HAHAHHAHAH There is never an easy answer.

>>

>> Anyone close to 43748, give a shout if you have surplus milk, or

>> want milk.<G>

>>

>> Ellen Schwab Junction City, Ohio

>>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

<<I would buy a milk cow, but I can't commit to the milking routine.>>

Just let the cow keep her calf.

[Guest guest]

If you go to the Organic Valley page you can find out the nearest OV farmers.

http://www.organicvalley.coop/who-is-your-farmer/index/#43748

You can look them up in the phone book or white pages. Keep in mind that OV is

trying to force the farms to quit selling raw milk, but it may be worth

contacting them, even to ask if they know of anyone in the area that has raw

milk.Just tell them you looked up their name on the Who's your farmer page. Some

farms have left OV, or been forced out over raw milk. I know some did in OH, but

not sure what area.

Cheyenne

>

> I did. Hopefully, I did not miss something. SW Ohio seems to have

> several options, but I did not find anything within a 2 hour drive. And,

> honestly, 2 hours one way would be too much for a weekly trip just for milk.

>

> Thanks!

> Ellen Schwab

> 43748

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2011 3:44:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> cynthealeerose@... writes:

>

> Have you checked out the Ohio page at EatWild?

>

> _http://www.eatwild.com/products/ohio.html_

> (http://www.eatwild.com/products/ohio.html)

>

> Blessings to you!

>

> CLRose

>

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Yes this is true Kim - I was just simplifying - you will need to milk at least

once a day for the first month or so - and yes you will end up with a bottle

calf soon if it is a bull. They can drink down 4 gallons a day but the beef

will be yummy. As good as dexter beef or maybe even better......

aliza

> >>

> >> Thanks Cheyenne.

> >>

> >> I agree with all of that. The issue is, it is not available in my

> >> area. Or, I do not know where to find it.

> >>

> >> The salesman for the farm I was buying from insists that their cows

> >> get only grass and silage, no grains. She insists the corm is

> >> removed from the silage before it is chopped. However . . . the

> >> silage I saw had corn in it, and when I ask the kid helpers, they

> >> say they feed corn and barley. Every day. (Maybe they meant only

> >> in winter.) The salesman says it is all sprouted, but . . . from

> >> what I can see, it is not.

> >>

> >> So my choice is conventional, with lovely cows, very clean farm and

> >> 20 minutes from me.

> >>

> >> Or the organic grassfed with the winks and nods 2 hours from me.

> >>

> >> Or store bought pasteurized.

> >>

> >> Number 3 is out. And I have a hard time dealing with folks when I

> >> think I caught them in a lie. And, an even harder time when they

> >> say their side LOUDER and dismiss the kids as confused.

> >>

> >> I've been advertising for a local herd share, but I suspect most

> >> local are not organic and not 100% grassfed.

> >>

> >> I do have land and fences and Angus beef cows. I would buy a milk

> >> cow, but I can't commit to the milking routine. I've put the word

> >> out that I'd take a partner on the milking. AND, I doubt we could

> >> use more than a gallon a day, so then I would have to find some

> >> customers. HAHAHHAHAH There is never an easy answer.

> >>

> >> Anyone close to 43748, give a shout if you have surplus milk, or

> >> want milk.<G>

> >>

> >> Ellen Schwab Junction City, Ohio

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thank you! I did find 2 sort of near me. I'll call and see what I can find.

Ellen

If you go to the Organic Valley page you can find out the nearest OV farmers. http://www.organicvalley.coop/who-is-your-farmer/index/#43748