Re: biomedical fundamental question

[Guest guest]

case of mind over matter isn't it

probably similar to the way say yoga or meditation work and fight

diseases... there is some research showing actual biological immune

markers changed for the better following meditation, to do with vagal

nerve stimulation etc.. not saying exactly the same as say Sonrise but

similar territory

also with kids who recover just like that, we will never know what

happened to their bodies, whether they acquired an infection that

'over-rode' the chronic one, whether there has been a change of

geomagnetic circumstances etc etc

I would say every recovery is biological end of day but different routes

of getting there.

natasa

>

>

> In a message dated 27/02/2008 12:48:58 GMT Standard Time,

bbuyonline@...

> writes:

>

> as many other parents in this group, we are also running a very

intensive

> home-therapy

> programme. and often i come across other parents who are also doing

the same

> but who are

> not supporting with biomedical interventions. ie they are purely

running

> behavioral or play

> therapies. i know and have seen results of children being recovered

from

> autism without

> biomeds. how do you go about explaining these recoveries?

>

>

>

> >>Dr Amy holmes did some work on this with brain scans, showing not

repair

> but new routes through the brain, intensive therapies producing new

neuron

> growth and going around the blocks. Some kids get better with no

biomed and no

> therapies too - wish my kid was one of them.............8 years at

this game

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

>

> hi just though i would answer this as I have a friend who used just ABA to

> treat her childs autism but saying that she and her dh were vegan so the

family

> diet was naturally sugar,gluten and dairy free but didn't consider this a

> biomedical approach, just like the kaufmans who started the sonrise program

> removed sugar,additives and preseratives from there diet also would not label

it

> a biomed program it was just a nutrition choice i think some families use

> approaches diet,vitamins but do not call them biomed or see it as an separate

> intervention there for do not called it biomed when their child recovers or

> gets better.

>

> melissaxx

>

hi melissa

i get what you're saying. having spoken to raun myself (the original son-rise

child) he still

can't eat certain foods, one being fish, he doesn't have the enzymes in his

saliva to break

it down. but his mum and dad didn't remove gluten or casein. and raun's

recovery was

fairly fast by anyone's standards!

thank you mandi for dr amy holmes reference, i will check it out. that makes

perfect

sense to me as people with strokes have developed new 'pathways'.

would you be as proactive and knowledgeable at this if your son/daughter was

recovered

by now? i for one am very grateful for your experience!

karenza

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 27/02/2008 12:48:58 GMT Standard Time,

bbuyonline@...

> writes:

>

> as many other parents in this group, we are also running a very

intensive

> home-therapy

> programme. and often i come across other parents who are also

doing the same

> but who are

> not supporting with biomedical interventions. ie they are purely

running

> behavioral or play

> therapies. i know and have seen results of children being

recovered from

> autism without

> biomeds. how do you go about explaining these recoveries?

>

>

>

> >>Dr Amy holmes did some work on this with brain scans, showing

not repair

> but new routes through the brain, intensive therapies producing

new neuron

> growth and going around the blocks. Some kids get better with no

biomed and no

> therapies too - wish my kid was one of them.............8 years at

this game

>

> Mandi x

>

My oldest didn't speak till he was four and half yrs old, he used to

line things up, flap etc, appeared probably moderately autistic, he

had no therapies, no biomed, no ABA, nothing, he just started

talking, and appeared to move up the spectrum, which he did.

Thing is he is now 13yrs old and obviously still has issues, it's a

very long road and probably not until the kids are older can we be

sure how it is all going to pan out.

My youngest is 10 and has been doing biomed for a good few yrs now,

no recovery in sight, clearly not going to just morph into higher

functioning more's the pity, but he has made great gains and would

never have been able to attend to ABA or any other therapy when he

was in so much pain in the early yrs.

With gut healing he is now in a position to learn, and he is learning

but obviously much further back than his brother was, so I think the

main difference to their progress would be the amount of gut issues

and pain.

Vicky

[Guest guest]

This is just something that crossed my mind a couple months ago, but

I read an article that talked about how loneliness depressed the

immune system and, if I'm remembering correctly, increased

inflammation. It occured to me that programs like son-rise and

floortime, if they stopped a child from feeling lonely, might

actually boost the immune system and reduce inflammation.

I think people should be aware that there are some quite compelling,

at least to me, stories about kids who have " recovered " through

therapy or diet-only interventions, only to regress once puberty

hits. Very frightening, IMO.

Anita

> >

> > hi just though i would answer this as I have a friend who used

just ABA to

> > treat her childs autism but saying that she and her dh were vegan

so the family

> > diet was naturally sugar,gluten and dairy free but didn't

consider this a

> > biomedical approach, just like the kaufmans who started the

sonrise program

> > removed sugar,additives and preseratives from there diet also

would not label it

> > a biomed program it was just a nutrition choice i think some

families use

> > approaches diet,vitamins but do not call them biomed or see it as

an separate

> > intervention there for do not called it biomed when their child

recovers or

> > gets better.

> >

> > melissaxx

> >

> hi melissa

>

> i get what you're saying. having spoken to raun myself (the

original son-rise child) he still

> can't eat certain foods, one being fish, he doesn't have the

enzymes in his saliva to break

> it down. but his mum and dad didn't remove gluten or casein. and

raun's recovery was

> fairly fast by anyone's standards!

>

> thank you mandi for dr amy holmes reference, i will check it out.

that makes perfect

> sense to me as people with strokes have developed new 'pathways'.

>

> would you be as proactive and knowledgeable at this if your

son/daughter was recovered

> by now? i for one am very grateful for your experience!

>

> karenza

>

[Guest guest]

Vicky,

I hope you get funding for both children: it should be the identical

set of financial information for both children. It drove me nuts

filling in the forms!

Margaret

>

> Thanks Caroline and Margaret, fingers still crossed this lull

becomes

> permanent, he still has the voices but not all day long as they

had become.

> Margaret I was looking into Pyroluria, think that's what it was

and

> apparently studies have shown two thirds of schizophrenic patients

had the condition,

> it is very low levels of B6 and Zinc, also need to supplement

Omega6 but not

> 3.

> What I am trying to do here is add in one thing at a time so I can

best spot

> what is working, this is quite easy to do on as he does not

take a

> lot of supplements anyways, so keeping it low so not to muddy the

water.

> So far the new stuff is B6 and Molybdenum, we were already doing

Zinc but

> only the 20mg now doing 30mg and maybe rise that up slowly over

time.

> Thanks for the support it is much appreciated.

> We are not with or anyone else right now due mostly to

financial

> restraints, most likely going to tribunal again, this time for

and will

> need some private assessments done as well as all the other stuff

they will want

> as evidence.

> Looking to Cauldwell now for some funding.

> Vicky

>