Re: no milk today for Home on the Range shareholders

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From a personal standpoint and considering what has happened I would be contacting every share holder and having them INDIVIDUALLY file suit that due to the actions of BC health they will suffer net losses of x dollars/week in milk from a cow that THEY own. You are nothing but a care taker. No different than people who buy a beef calf and board it at a ranch until it is slaughter weight.Right to own a farm animal does not exclude those who do not live on a farm. Look at all the boarding facilities out there for horses, etc. Just like them, the owner has a say as to the day to day maintenance and care of the animal. You are directed by the owners cummulatively on how the herd is cared for and managed by being an agister. Thus they do control and are involved in the day to day.You cannot distribute what people already own by default when they own the animal.They can't win this one.KurtisI am embarrassed to have to say  - after being so blasé on this forum for the last year -  the REAL MILK is not flowing to shareholders of the Home on the Range herd in British ColumbiaOn July 9th 2008, an Inspector from the Fraser Health Protection Branch came out to the farm and served an Order upon our Agister, directing that she `cease and desist the distribution of raw milk for human consumption'I went to Court the next day and filed an appeal of the Order. My grounds for appeal go right at the rationale for the Regulation upon which the Order was made. So the big issue is properly before the Courts in this province as a constitutional challenge to the law. The wording for that appeal is posted on my website at < www..freewebs.com/bovinity > on the page "scrutiny of our milk by government"One good thing is that on June 16th 2008, this Inspector had taken  away a sample of our milk for testing. The Order slapped does not claim that the milk is a health hazard, only that it must not be `distributed'.   We have won the point that dairying to supply REAL MILK can be done safely.   So we play the lawyering game and ask a Justice of the Supreme Court to rule on what that means. Next step in the game is for me to bring on an application for an interim injunction to set aside the Order, as soon as possible. I'm confident that we shall prevail in the long run. Meanwhile, the best we can do for 200 unhappy shareholders is invite them out to the farm to participate in the milking. That way, it's beyond argument that they fall under the condition of `having direct care of the animal', for which the govt. has given  approval to take away their milk.   Not too many will do so because the farm is about 80 miles from VancouverA brilliant idea one shareholder came up with is to have tv cameras pointing at the cows in the field, and in the barn at milking time. That satisfyies the govt. requirement that herdshare owners are must be 'in touch with the conditions under which their animals are kept'. Wouldn't you know … this farm we're on just happens to have a closed-circuit tv set-up in place! When we find some techie to connect the dots, and the wires, we'll have the "cow~cams" linked to Alice's websiteWhile I get ready for Court, we're making the milk in to butter = wonderful golden yellow X-factor butter from the lush fields of the Fraser Valley delta. "All things work for good for those who love God, and are called to His purpose"Gordon ,   Burnaby  British Columbia

[Guest guest]

All the best in your struggles against this injustice, Gordon.

Chrys

At 09:29 AM 7/12/2008, you wrote:

I am embarrassed to have to say

- after being so blasé on this forum for the last year - the REAL

MILK is not flowing to shareholders of the Home on the

Range herd in British Columbia

On July 9th 2008, an

Inspector from the Fraser Health Protection Branch came out to the farm

and served an Order upon our Agister, directing that she `cease and

desist the distribution of raw milk for human consumption'

I went to Court the next day and

filed an appeal of the Order. My grounds for appeal go right at the

rationale for the Regulation upon which the Order was made. So the big

issue is properly before the Courts in this province as a constitutional

challenge to the law. The wording for that appeal is posted on my website

at <

www.freewebs.com/bovinity > on the page " scrutiny of our milk

by government "

One good thing is that on June

16th 2008, this Inspector had taken away a sample of our

milk for testing. The Order slapped does not claim that the milk is a

health hazard, only that it must not be `distributed'. We

have won the point that dairying to supply REAL MILK can be done

safely. So we play the lawyering game and ask a Justice of

the Supreme Court to rule on what that means.

Next step in the game is for

me to bring on an application for an interim injunction to set aside the

Order, as soon as possible.

I'm confident that we shall prevail

in the long run. Meanwhile, the best we can do for 200 unhappy

shareholders is invite them out to the farm to participate in the

milking. That way, it's beyond argument that they fall under the

condition of `having direct care of the animal', for which the govt. has

given approval to take away their milk. Not too many

will do so because the farm is about 80 miles from Vancouver

A brilliant idea one shareholder came

up with is to have tv cameras pointing at the cows in the field, and in

the barn at milking time. That satisfyies the govt. requirement that

herdshare owners are must be 'in touch with the conditions under which

their animals are kept'. Wouldn't you know … this farm we're on just

happens to have a closed-circuit tv set-up in place! When we find some

techie to connect the dots, and the wires, we'll have the

" cow~cams " linked to Alice's website

While I get ready for Court, we're

making the milk in to butter = wonderful golden yellow X-factor butter

from the lush fields of the Fraser Valley delta.

" All things work for

good for those who love God, and are called to His purpose "

Gordon ,

Burnaby British Columbia

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Chrys Ostrander

Chrysalis Farm @ Tolstoy

Organic Micro-permaculture

33495 Mill Canyon Rd.

Davenport, WA 99122

chrys@...

http://www.thefutureisorganic.net

" From each according to their ability to each according to their

need "

Karl Marx - " Critique of the Gotha Program " 1875

" The purpose of agriculture is not the production of food, but the

perfection of human beings "

Masanobu Fukuoka - " One Straw Revolution " 1978

" We will never have an organic future and a stable climate until we

pull all the troops out of Iraq

and redirect our annual $650 billion military budget to greening the

economy and guaranteeing

a sustainable environment and economic justice for everyone. "

Ronnie Cummins, National Director, Organic Consumers Association

at the " Farms Not Arms " public forum and protest in Manhattan,

September, 2007

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My Condolences to you and your Herd's CoOwners.... Another example of Faschist Tiranny and its Absolute Courupt power ... I agree all your co-owners need to Sue not just the Boarding owner... also Bad Laws Should be Broken Continously untill the Law is DEAD

This Message Sent by Kern

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Seems that this is the way that people are going to have to get their milk. Pick it up themselves. Is that really asking too much of them anyway?

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canada“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed onto them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”- Reagan

Re: no milk today for Home on the Range shareholders

From a personal standpoint and considering what has happened I would be contacting every share holder and having them INDIVIDUALLY file suit that due to the actions of BC health they will suffer net losses of x dollars/week in milk from a cow that THEY own. You are nothing but a care taker. No different than people who buy a beef calf and board it at a ranch until it is slaughter weight.

Right to own a farm animal does not exclude those who do not live on a farm. Look at all the boarding facilities out there for horses, etc. Just like them, the owner has a say as to the day to day maintenance and care of the animal. You are directed by the owners cummulatively on how the herd is cared for and managed by being an agister. Thus they do control and are involved in the day to day.

You cannot distribute what people already own by default when they own the animal.

They can't win this one.

Kurtis

I am embarrassed to have to say - after being so blasé on this forum for the last year - the REAL MILK is not flowing to shareholders of the Home on the Range herd in British Columbia

On July 9th 2008, an Inspector from the Fraser Health Protection Branch came out to the farm and served an Order upon our Agister, directing that she `cease and desist the distribution of raw milk for human consumption'

I went to Court the next day and filed an appeal of the Order. My grounds for appeal go right at the rationale for the Regulation upon which the Order was made. So the big issue is properly before the Courts in this province as a constitutional challenge to the law. The wording for that appeal is posted on my website at < www..freewebs.com/bovinity > on the page "scrutiny of our milk by government"

One good thing is that on June 16th 2008, this Inspector had taken away a sample of our milk for testing. The Order slapped does not claim that the milk is a health hazard, only that it must not be `distributed'. We have won the point that dairying to supply REAL MILK can be done safely. So we play the lawyering game and ask a Justice of the Supreme Court to rule on what that means.

Next step in the game is for me to bring on an application for an interim injunction to set aside the Order, as soon as possible.

I'm confident that we shall prevail in the long run. Meanwhile, the best we can do for 200 unhappy shareholders is invite them out to the farm to participate in the milking. That way, it's beyond argument that they fall under the condition of `having direct care of the animal', for which the govt. has given approval to take away their milk. Not too many will do so because the farm is about 80 miles from Vancouver

A brilliant idea one shareholder came up with is to have tv cameras pointing at the cows in the field, and in the barn at milking time. That satisfyies the govt. requirement that herdshare owners are must be 'in touch with the conditions under which their animals are kept'. Wouldn't you know … this farm we're on just happens to have a closed-circuit tv set-up in place! When we find some techie to connect the dots, and the wires, we'll have the "cow~cams" linked to Alice's website

While I get ready for Court, we're making the milk in to butter = wonderful golden yellow X-factor butter from the lush fields of the Fraser Valley delta.

"All things work for good for those who love God, and are called to His purpose"

Gordon , Burnaby British Columbia

[Guest guest]

Rick,

at first, I read this post this way too. what he is saying is that all the

co-owners need to

sue along with the boarding owner. in other words, not just the boarding owner

need to

sue.

> >

> > My Condolences to you and your Herd's Co Owners.... Another example

> of Fascist Tyranny and its Absolute Corrupt power ... I agree all

> your co-owners need to Sue not just the Boarding owner... also Bad

> Laws Should be Broken Continuously until the Law is DEAD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This Message Sent by Kern

> >

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> Let me be abundantly clear the Boarding owner is the victim as much as

> the Co Owners and must remain blameless. Rick Adam Delta B.C.

>

[Guest guest]

Oops,I see what you mean now! Thanks for pointing that out.

" I agree all your co-owners need to Sue, not just the Boarding owner " ,

is so very true.

With two daily milkings and farm expenses with no income I hope all

shareholders continue their support by maintaining their agistment fee

payments despite no milk being routinely accessible.

My MLA has not yet responded to my inquiries, and the Attorney

General's office seems to be stalling, referring the matter to the

Agriculture Minister. I may soon have to develop an online petition to

canvas opinion, to then present to the B.C. Legislature.

Mindful to include articles of the United Nations Declaration of Human

Rights and Canadian Constitution prominently articulated with mention

of recourse to; the higher courts, the UN and the World Court, for

redress and compensation for damages.

> > >

> > > My Condolences to you and your Herd's Co Owners.... Another example

> > of Fascist Tyranny and its Absolute Corrupt power ... I agree all

> > your co-owners need to Sue not just the Boarding owner... also Bad

> > Laws Should be Broken Continuously until the Law is DEAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This Message Sent by Kern

> > >

> > -----------------------------------------

> > Let me be abundantly clear the Boarding owner is the victim as much as

> > the Co Owners and must remain blameless. Rick Adam Delta B.C.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had assumed they meant not just the boarding owner should file suit but the shareholders also.>> My Condolences to you and your Herd's Co Owners.... Another exampleof Fascist Tyranny and its Absolute Corrupt power ... I agree allyour co-owners need to Sue not just the Boarding owner... also BadLaws Should be Broken Continuously until the Law is DEAD> > > > > This Message Sent by Kern>-----------------------------------------Let me be abundantly clear the Boarding owner is the victim as much asthe Co Owners and must remain blameless. Rick Adam Delta B.C.

[Guest guest]

FMike, FTCLDF - Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund....

A non-profit group, originally sponsored by WAPF, that is modelled

after the Home school legal defense fund...it takes court action to

change society and gain respect. This is what they do for us.

They are bold and courageous, so write them a check! BIG one.

www.farmtoconsumer.org OR www.ftcldf.org .

-Blair

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> Blair, what is FTCLDF?

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

YES that is Correct! This Message Sent by Kern

Rick,at first, I read this post this way too. what he is saying is that all the co-owners need to sue along with the boarding owner. in other words, not just the boarding owner need to sue. > >> > My Condolences to you and your Herd's Co Owners.... Another example> of Fascist Tyranny and its Absolute Corrupt power ... I agree all> your co-owners need to Sue not just the Boarding owner... also Bad> Laws Should be Broken Continuously until the Law is DEAD> > > > > > > > > > This Message Sent by Kern> >> -----------------------------------------> Let me be abundantly clear the Boarding owner is the victim as much as> the Co Owners and must remain blameless. Rick Adam Delta B.C.