Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Hi , I have no suggestions, but I do know that it's Sally Fallon's opinion that colloidal minerals are toxic and she's looking for someone to write an article on the toxicity of colloidal mineral products for the WAPF journal. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 In a message dated 11/22/03 11:14:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, filippa91@... writes: > *Now* you tell me Chris. Why didn' ya pipe up when I was asking about > colloidal minerals? Now I have a whole big bottle of the damn stuff and have to > chug it down thinking it's probably toxic. Sigghhhh. How about ionic > minerals? Does she think they're toxic too? I also bought a bottle of them. Sorry, I may have missed that post. There's a lot to wade through! And I still have a couple hundred unread in my box! I don't think ionic minerals are toxic. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 " Sally Fallon's opinion that colloidal minerals are toxic and she's looking for someone to write an article on the toxicity of colloidal mineral products for the WAPF journal. " ~ Chris --------------------------------- *Now* you tell me Chris. Why didn' ya pipe up when I was asking about colloidal minerals? Now I have a whole big bottle of the damn stuff and have to chug it down thinking it's probably toxic. Sigghhhh. How about ionic minerals? Does she think they're toxic too? I also bought a bottle of them. Filippa ;-| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 >Sorry, I may have missed that post. ==> S'alright. At least I found out on my first bottle! >There's a lot to wade through! And I still have a couple hundred unread in my box! ===> I know the feeling. ;-) >I don't think ionic minerals are toxic. ===> Good. I should have gone with my gut instinct in the first place then and just gone with the ionic minerals. Thanks for the feedback Filippa :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 - " Sally Fallon's opinion that colloidal minerals are toxic and she's looking for someone to write an article on the toxicity of colloidal mineral products for the WAPF journal. " " I don't think ionic minerals are toxic. " ==>Now it's got me thinking. Do you know offhand why Sally thinks colloidal minerals are toxic? Also how they are different to ionic minerals? The way it was explained to me, the ionic minerals are simply smaller molecules and therefore more assimilable by the body. Here's the blurb from www.agmfoods.com IONIC MINERALS AGM has been researching and trialling various sources of natural minerals. The entire Grainfields range of products has added Ionic Minerals and one of the newest additions to the Grainfields range is a handy 30mL bottle of pure Ionic Minerals. ADVANTAGES OF IONIC MINERALS a.. Convenient Small RDA: The recommended daily allowance is 1.25 mL to 2.5 mL (20 to 40 drops). At 20 drops you get 24 serves in every 30 mL bottle. b.. High Water to Mineral Ratio: With Ionic Minerals you are paying for a very high concentration of minerals, not water, fillers or anything else that you don't want. c.. Highly Bio-active: Ionic minerals are capable of passing freely through semipermeable membranes, such as cell or intestinal membrane. d.. Ionic: Ionic means that the minerals are in their smallest molecular structure, can conduct electricity, and dry into crystalline form. a.. Long Shelf Life: Ionic Minerals will not lose its potency. In its concentrated form, Ionic Minerals will be good indefinitely without any loss of potency or potential for microbial growth. b.. Natural: Ionic Minerals is 100% natural, is vegetarian, and contains a balance of minerals. c.. Pure: Ionic Minerals is extremely low in heavy metals and contains no other contaminants. Ionic Minerals is Kosher certified. d.. Rich in the Right Stuff: Ionic Minerals is very low in sodium, yet rich in magnesium, boron, selenuim, lithium, chloride and more than 70 total trace minerals. e.. Safe: Ionic Minerals contains a natural balance of trace elements. MINERALS VERIFIED TO BE IN IONIC MINERALS (approx. descending order) chloride, magnesium, sulfate, potassium, sodium, bromide, lithium, boron, carbonate, calcium, flouride, silicon, nitrogen, selenium, phosphorus, iodide, chromium, iron, manganese, titanium, rubidium, cobalt, copper, antimony, arsenic, molybdenum, strontium, zinc, nickel, tungsten, germanium, aluminium, scandium, tin, lanthanum, lead, yttrium, barium, silver, cadmium, uranium, gallium, zirconium, vanadium, beryllium, tellurium, bismuth, hafnium, terbium, europium, gadolinium, samarium, cerium, cesium, gold, mercury, dysprosium, holmium, lutetium, thulium, erbium, ytterbium, neodymium, praseodymium, niobium, tantalum, thorium, thallium, rhenium, indium, palladium, platinum. The Nobel Gases: Helium, Neon, Argan, Krypton, and Radon have never been tested for, but are believed to be present due to the fact that they are present in sea water. TYPICAL MINERAL ANALYSIS MINERALS STANDARD AVERAGE Chloride >245 mg/mL 247 mg/mL Magnesium >80 mg/mL 81.3 mg/mL Sulfate 21-30 mg/mL 24.9 mg/mL Sodium <14 mg/mL 11 mg/mL Potassium >12 mg/mL 15 mg/mL TYPICAL TOXIC METAL COUNT MINERALS STANDARD AVERAGE Lead less than 0.5 ppm less than 0.1 ppm Aluminium less than 1 ppm less than 0.5 ppm Mercury less than 0.1 ppm less than 0.05 ppm Cadmium less than 0.5 ppm less than 0.5 ppm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 In a message dated 11/23/03 1:50:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, filippa91@... writes: > ==>Now it's got me thinking. Do you know offhand why Sally thinks > colloidal minerals are toxic? Also how they are different to ionic minerals? The > way it was explained to me, the ionic minerals are simply smaller molecules and > therefore more assimilable by the body. I don't know anything about why colloidal minerals are toxic. A colloid is a suspension rather than a solution, so that it is a non-homogenous but even suspension of big clusters of a mineral, where as ionic minerals are fully dissolved into the solution, and come in clusters no bigger than a single atom. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 In a message dated 11/27/03 10:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, lyn122@... writes: > -----> So are these then ionic minerals simply ground very fine? > Maybe you know the answer to this question... > I'm also curious where the toxic minerals come from? Were they in > the plants and simply stayed there as the plants metamorphosized > into shale or whatever rock they became? > And why don't ancient seabed rocks like azomite have more toxic > elements? I doubt this is really answering your question to your satisfaction, but salt is a good example of a finely ground ionic mineral. But if you dissolve it in water, you don't get a colloid, you get a solution. So colloids are necessarily not ionic, unless they are certain ionic compounds that are insoluble in water. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 > Hi , > > I have no suggestions, but I do know that it's Sally Fallon's > opinion that colloidal minerals are toxic and she's looking for > someone to write an article on the toxicity of colloidal mineral > products for the WAPF journal. Those colloidal mineral products are simply mined rock that is ground so finely that the particles stay suspended in water. Technically, you could make a colloidal mineral product from Azomite, which Sally recommends people take as a mineral supplement. So, her negative opinion of colloidal minerals must be about the specific minerals often found in those mineral toddy concoctions rather than their colloidal nature. I do know some of those colloidal mineral products have some rather toxic elements in trace amounts, and that is probably what she's referring to. Some of those colloidal mineral products are processed to remove toxic elements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 > Those colloidal mineral products are simply mined rock that is ground > so finely that the particles stay suspended in water. Technically, > you could make a colloidal mineral product from Azomite, which Sally > recommends people take as a mineral supplement. So, her negative > opinion of colloidal minerals must be about the specific minerals > often found in those mineral toddy concoctions rather than their > colloidal nature. I do know some of those colloidal mineral products > have some rather toxic elements in trace amounts, and that is > probably what she's referring to. Some of those colloidal mineral > products are processed to remove toxic elements. -----> So are these then ionic minerals simply ground very fine? Maybe you know the answer to this question... I'm also curious where the toxic minerals come from? Were they in the plants and simply stayed there as the plants metamorphosized into shale or whatever rock they became? And why don't ancient seabed rocks like azomite have more toxic elements? Thanks Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 > > Those colloidal mineral products are simply mined rock that is > ground > > so finely that the particles stay suspended in water. Technically, > > you could make a colloidal mineral product from Azomite, which > Sally > > recommends people take as a mineral supplement. So, her negative > > opinion of colloidal minerals must be about the specific minerals > > often found in those mineral toddy concoctions rather than their > > colloidal nature. I do know some of those colloidal mineral > products > > have some rather toxic elements in trace amounts, and that is > > probably what she's referring to. Some of those colloidal mineral > > products are processed to remove toxic elements. > > -----> So are these then ionic minerals simply ground very fine? No, I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure if they were ionic, they'd dissolve into the water rather than remain as solid particles suspended in it. > Maybe you know the answer to this question... > I'm also curious where the toxic minerals come from? Were they in > the plants and simply stayed there as the plants metamorphosized > into shale or whatever rock they became? > And why don't ancient seabed rocks like azomite have more toxic > elements? I have no idea. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I appreciated this link because it shows a relationship between ALL the minerals, including iodine. It also defines what the minerals for human nutrition are: "The mineral nutrients are defined as all the inorganic elements or inorganic molecules that are required for life. As far as human nutrition is concerned, the inorganic nutrients include water, sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium, phosphate, sulfate, magnesium, iron, copper, zinc, manganese, iodine, selenium, and molybdenum. " I haven't had time to do this yet, but I feel like we need to get a broad understanding of how ALL the minerals act in the body. I have a sense that there are a lot of similarities -- and we certainly have discovered that they interact with and affect each other. Unfortunately, the specific information on iodine in this article is misleading. Yes, "iodine toxicity CAN result from an intake of 2.0 mg of iodide per day". But iodine toxicity CAN also result from intakes as low as the RDA; i.e., 150 mcg. Moreover, MOST people can apparently take significantly more than 2 mg with no problems. Also, the "goiter" (or enlargement) is not called "hyperthyroidism". Goiter is goiter or enlargement. And many people with goiter have normal or low thyroid hormone levels. Yes, excess iodine can result in skin problems. But they are a very specific kind of skin problem, and I have not yet found a satisfactory discussion of this with pictures. If anyone has this info, please post it. For most of the people on this group so far, the skin problems seem to be associated with detox reactions since they go away fairly quickly with continued or increased iodine. Yes, iodine toxicity has been reported for a small percentage of cases in Japan with people consuming over 140 mg of iodine from kelp on a long term basis. But even for those consuming these very large amounts, most of them do not show signs of toxicity. And for those who do show signs of toxicity, most of these are resolved by reducing the kelp. I would like to see the pictures of the "kelp acne", together with frequency statistics and other relevant information. Zoe ----- Original Message ----- From: cindi22595 Are the breakouts that I've seen folks mention not related to toxicity? kelp acne?http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/mineral_toxicity.jsp Iodine toxicity can result from an intake of 2.0 mg of iodide per day. The toxicity results in impairment of the creation of thyroid hormone, resulting in lower levels of thyroid hormone in the bloodstream. The thyroid gland enlarges, as a consequence, and goiter is produced. This enlargement is also called hyperthyroidism. Goiter is usually caused by iodine deficiency. In addition to goiter, iodine toxicity produces ulcers on the skin. This condition has been called "kelp acne," because of its association with eating kelp, an ocean plant, which contains high levels of iodine. Iodine toxicity occurs in Japan, where large amounts of seaweed are consumed.cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 >From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...> >I would like to see the pictures of the " kelp acne " , together with >frequency statistics and other relevant information. One picture, couldn't enlarge, may not work. http://tinyurl.com/p82hb _________________________________________________________________ Search—Your way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us & FORM=WLMTAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Thanks for your comments.. On the skin detox...that reminds me that many folks when going on Armour thyroid experience breakouts initially as the skin returns to normal/detox...and often there is some itching. an adjustment period... cindi > > Yes, excess iodine can result in skin problems. But they are a very specific kind of skin problem, and I have not yet found a satisfactory discussion of this with pictures. If anyone has this info, please post it. > > For most of the people on this group so far, the skin problems seem to be associated with detox reactions since they go away fairly quickly with continued or increased iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 looks like the search term for the most info is " iodine acne " ...lots of controversy on whether iodine plays a part in acne or not. http://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20051107221854_health_news.sht ml cindi > > Yes, excess iodine can result in skin problems. But they are a very specific kind of skin problem, and I have not yet found a satisfactory discussion of this with pictures. If anyone has this info, please post it. > > For most of the people on this group so far, the skin problems seem to be associated with detox reactions since they go away fairly quickly with continued or increased iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 dang. I have no idea where that link below came from. here's the right one: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=34698 cindi > > looks like the search term for the most info is " iodine acne " ...lots of > controversy on whether iodine plays a part in acne or not. > > http://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20051107221854_health_news.sht > ml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Thanks, Skipper. Unfortunately, I couldn't access any information on the picture to say what it really is. The website is now defunct. Zoe Re: Mineral Toxicity >From: "Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>>I would like to see the pictures of the "kelp acne", together with >frequency statistics and other relevant information.One picture, couldn't enlarge, may not work.http://tinyurl.com/p82hb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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