Re: 6 small meals

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IMO i really think we all need to find what works for us. i have gotten into the

habit of saving my fruit from lunch(we get free meals at the school) or carrying

a piece of fruit with me for my trips to the gym. i can see how meals can be

hard on the go. i should have asked viola's therapist how she does it b/c i

always see a cooler in her car. she also stops at lots of places,mainly wendy's,

for chili and a salad(which i am sure can get expensive when added up but it

works for her). but running client from client spanning a 60 mile radius, it

sure is hard to eat on the go and fix something for lunch.

i was considering investing in one of those magic bullets so i can pack up a

little something to make a super shake or something(protien powder fruits

etc)b/c there are days i just go without eating much between my early lunch and

being home for dinner(if there is even time to make a nice dinner). kind of a

mini meal in liquid form. lots of websites have recipes for that kind of stuff

i really feel for jen and others like her that are pretty much " on call " for

their jobs. its so hard to be in those shoes. i am just thankful i get to have

that lunch, albeit to damn early to eat lunch, when others have to throw away or

pack up their lunch when on call i at least at to enjoy some time to eat. dh

even knows what his schedule is and times that kitchen does not get a dinner

break. he would have to resort to a quick drink of fruit juice and keep going.

and who wants a meal when they get home and 9-10 at night before bed.

surely there are websites out there that can help with giving tricks. since its

not common issue amongst many its probably a little harder to find but surely

there are more then we think out there who are " on call " for their jobs. think

police,firefighters,security, nurse,dr. etc.

kassia

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hi nancy,nope i won't think you are an arrogant fill in the blank nothing. you have experience its your job to work on these types of issues to help others. like i said in my post i have gotten in the habit of carrying a piece of fruit with me on days i intend on going to the gym. so i can have some fuel for a workout instead of cutting my workout time short b/c i don't have energy and either way there is no excuse since i work in a kitchen and have access to fresh fruits and veggies. so if i forget at home i can get some at work. my therapist does actually carrying her lunches with her(ie sandwiches some snacks and instead of buying diet dr pepper or water on the run she buys by the case and carries them). she usually on most night when she has to see us(around the dinner time area) she stops for $1 menu at wendy's for chili and a salad or a

potatoe. she told me her only excuse was exercise. well she said there was NO excuse b/c they open at 5am and that gives her a nice 4 hour window to take classes or workout on her own. but i digress LOL i just remember by uncle on the rescue/fire squad where calls would be anywhere from lunchtime to 4am no excuses gotta run. not saying he didn't make up for it by skippnig meals, but it was hard for him to plan. that is only the impression i get from folks who get calls last minute. i just can see sitting down to a nice meal then the alarms go off and you know its your call kind of deal. my poor uncle LOL he had to learn to deal with leftovers alot LOL. my therapist kind of knows her schedule but is always on the move so she can plan just a tad better just like me. then dh knows when to fit in some food even if its on the go. so i see your point that we have to eat well and work with your time frames no excuses but i can just still see my uncle

when i was 7 years old up and gone once that beeper and alarms sounded. of course he is retired from that now and works in a high end bike shop so his eating habits changed for him not to mention his exercise. he rides his bike EVERYWHERE!kassia fitness blogmy domainSpecial Needs Scouting Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don’t want to impress people they don’t

like.-Will Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:14 AM

I'm finally ready to post this. It is GUARANTEED to either tick some people off or cause others to go into an excuse frenzy. At least a few might even applaud. Those who have been around here for a while know that I'm not intending to be nasty in ANY possible way so please keep that in mind even if you don't know me yet. If your feelings are hurt then think about why they're hurt. Probably because you recognize the truth in my words and don't want to face it. I intend absolutely no harm though. Here I go..

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Thank you so much Darcy! I love this story about your mom too! And I really love your line, "Quit thinking everyone is lucky and you are NOT." I think it is that "poor me" mentality that keeps so many people stuck where they are. I keep my before picture (where I'm about 40 or so pounds heavier than I am now) in my purse because I travel to so many different locations for classes and try to display it whenever I'm subbing or doing orientations for new members. Anyway, when I get that "must be nice" comment from people I just snort and show them my before picture. Almost everyone says "That was YOU?!! How did you do that?" Healthy eating, portion control and exercise... just what we're told works, guess what? It does!!!! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the responses when I show my before picture. So many of my members tell me it inspires them, that if I looked like that before and look like I do now then obviously it can be done. I just love the responses too because I have worked so hard and it makes me feel so good to have people say, "That was YOU?!" Maybe I should pull out that picture more often when people come to me wanting to give up because nothing seems to be working. Yes, there are such things as plateaus but it does work if you work and from the pictures I've seen of you, Darcy, it obviously works!!!

Re: 6 small meals

GREAT POST . I so agree. You said it very well.......My mom is one of these people who has excuses. It drives me freaking crazy. She wants to lose weight, but apparently not bad enough to make the big changes. That's what it has to be about. Big changes. For instance, she said to me the other day "must be nice to look like those dancing with the stars women". I was like WHATEVER. I'm like "Mom, they work their butts off to learn to dance like that, and the exercise they get is huge". It's not like God tapped them on the shoulder and said "here". Quit thinking everyone is lucky and you are NOT. You know???? Work hard, like them and you could do it too!! (okay, so I'm sure she couldn't dance like them at the age she is now, but you know what I mean.....) But you get my point. I HATE it when people comment that i must be lucky.... Lucky of what??? I force myself to do it on the rough days. I'm sweating my butt off and working hard while you're on the couch enjoying your bag of potato chips. Would you consider me lucky then???? LOL... I just hate the word "lucky" or "must be nice".... Anyway, I understand it all. A person really has to STOP making excuses and just do it.Darcy

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM, <nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

I'm finally ready to post this. It is GUARANTEED to either tick some people off or cause others to go into an excuse frenzy. At least a few might even applaud. Those who have been around here for a while know that I'm not intending to be nasty in ANY possible way so please keep that in mind even if you don't know me yet. If your feelings are hurt then think about why they're hurt. Probably because you recognize the truth in my words and don't want to face it. I intend absolutely no harm though. Here I go..

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Thank you very much Carolyn!! Great point too about having a snack on the way home so you don't binge when you get there. I'll have to remember to share that one because I so often hear, "I'm so hungry when I get home." We talk about making sure they eat regularly during the day, even small mini meals or snacks if that works better for them, but I'll have to make sure I add that tip to my comments too. Thanks!

Re: 6 small meals

good post nancy! i just want to re-iterate that it will help to keep it simple.stick to the food groups -- low fat dairy, whole grains, veggies, fruit, low fat protein --all of these are easy to grab and throw in a little cooler bag, along with water.also a great way to stick to a diet plan, if you ask me.it doesnt have to be anything fancy!! you may be surprised that small amounts of food, eaten on the run throughout the day, will satisfy you.another tip may be to eat something out of your cooler bag while you travel home.then you wont want to binge at home when you are suddenly exposed to the uncontrolled selections that might be in the fridge and cupboards.noone is perfect... we all mess up... but i agree with nancy in that we all must really want it badly enough in order to work hard enough to actually get it.:*carolyn.

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i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again.

i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking

of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms

would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he

would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am

thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip

or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)

as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule

from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or

diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a

potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time).

for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even

if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples

and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i

also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh

veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast

food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no

condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car.

i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect

your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW

leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke

your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here.

kassia

[Guest guest]

Oooh.... the lure of treats in the pantry or fridge is a big one for me. I've gotten very careful about the 'treats' I buy. I try to buy special treats for the kids that they will eat all at once (like, just 4 of a single serving so that each child gets one and I DO NOT). I have also started buying the smaller sized bags of treats (cookies, chips, etc) because my kids will wipe them out if I let them and it limits how much I can eat. Some things I just flat out don't buy anymore because honestly, lots of junk food isn't good for any of us (even if the kids metabolisms are still high enough to compensate for the calories!). The other thing I do is make sure that my snack options are healthy. I've indulged in some rice cakes (much lower cal and healthier than cookies, snack cakes, etc), 100 calorie snack pouches (must eat only one!), etc. We always have tons of fruit around, but sometimes that's just not what I'm craving so having good 'munchies' available is important.

Bottom line, if it isn't in the house it isn't there to tempt me and make my life harder. Drives me crazy when I'm having a snack attack, but I appreciate it later on.

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: Festival City Concrete/ & Carolyn Visser

To: exercisevideos

then you wont want to binge at home when you are suddenly exposed to the uncontrolled selections that might be in the fridge and cupboards.noone is perfect... we all mess up... but i agree with nancy in that we all must really want it badly enough in order to work hard enough to actually get it.:*carolyn.

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Awesome post ! You sure didn't offend me. I think you are 100% right!

My uncle (who is a retired Air Force General and an MD, pretty much a guy who did well in life! LOL!) has a great saying:

"We do what is important to us and make excuses for everything else"

The older I get and the more of life I experience the more profound that simple little statement has become to me.

Liz

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From: nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net

Once again, for those that don't know me and might be thinking what an arrogant (fill in the blank) please know that despite my bluntness I am here to support and encourage ANYONE who is truly working at making themselves healthier, stronger, happier or whatever else you want. I do that every day at my job and I am beyond blessed to have that opportunity there and here. For anyone who agrees or especially who is affirming some of what I said and finding strength in it to make choices, to give up trying at something you thought you wanted but really don't, at least not right now or are resolving to work even harder at something you know you want, I am with you and am cheering you on, whether you need me to right now or not.

Have an intentional day everyone,

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

I do a lot of the same things - so even when I do go off the wagon and eat too much, it, at least, isn't too junky!

Donna

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:04 PM

Oooh.... the lure of treats in the pantry or fridge is a big one for me. I've gotten very careful about the 'treats' I buy. I try to buy special treats for the kids that they will eat all at once (like, just 4 of a single serving so that each child gets one and I DO NOT). I have also started buying the smaller sized bags of treats (cookies, chips, etc) because my kids will wipe them out if I let them and it limits how much I can eat. Some things I just flat out don't buy anymore because honestly, lots of junk food isn't good for any of us (even if the kids metabolisms are still high enough to compensate for the calories!). The other thing I do is make sure that my snack options are healthy. I've indulged in some rice cakes (much lower cal and healthier than cookies, snack cakes, etc), 100 calorie snack pouches (must eat only one!), etc. We always have tons of fruit around, but sometimes that's just not what I'm craving so

having good 'munchies' available is important.

Bottom line, if it isn't in the house it isn't there to tempt me and make my life harder. Drives me crazy when I'm having a snack attack, but I appreciate it later on.

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: Festival City Concrete/ & Carolyn Visser

To: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. com

then you wont want to binge at home when you are suddenly exposed to the uncontrolled selections that might be in the fridge and cupboards.noone is perfect... we all mess up... but i agree with nancy in that we all must really want it badly enough in order to work hard enough to actually get it.:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

Great post nancy.........

judy s

To: exercisevideos Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:14:33 AMSubject: Re: 6 small meals

I'm finally ready to post this. It is GUARANTEED to either tick some people off or cause others to go into an excuse frenzy. At least a few might even applaud. Those who have been around here for a while know that I'm not intending to be nasty in ANY possible way so please keep that in mind even if you don't know me yet. If your feelings are hurt then think about why they're hurt. Probably because you recognize the truth in my words and don't want to face it. I intend absolutely no harm though. Here I go..

[Guest guest]

One thing I do always do when I'm tutoring or working some place where I can bring a beverage. I bring water to drink. I'm also cutting back on Diet Coke which is definitely a good thing. I want to drink even more water, skim milk and green tea. JenSubject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again.

i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)

as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time).

for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car.

i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here.

kassia

[Guest guest]

I'm working on this too. Or at least I was. I always bring water to my WW meetings but at home I drink way too much diet coke. I cut back this past week and had horrible headaches and then started drinking too much again. Gotta find a way to make it work, I feel better drinking water. I've got my eating/food journaling well under control again, exercise is going well, next is the diet coke addiction...

Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time). for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car. i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here. kassia

[Guest guest]

Hi , could you replace your diet coke w/ tea? I have a sweet tooth and

don't particularly like the taste of green tea, but it is much better when I

brew it with a fruity flavor herbal tea...some flavors like orange spice I like

warm, others, like peach or blackberry, I prefer cold w/ ice. Green tea still

has a bit of cafeine in it to help w/ the withdrawals, plus it is full of

antioxidants and also helps to curb appetite. Black tea and oolong tea also

have the same benefits.

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> Subject: Re: 6 small meals

> To: exercisevideos

> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

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> i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again.

>

> i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i

am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers

and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat

healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i

am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either

skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)

>

> as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know

our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and

extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either

salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before

dinner time).

>

> for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy

snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that

sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit

bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh

fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to

the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things

with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my

car.

>

> i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes

but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their

goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway.

you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you

here.

>

> kassia

>

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I went on a 7 day cruise to Alaska in 2006, I had to pay for each diet coke because pop and alcohol wasn't included in the cost of the cruise. I decide to drink less diet coke on the cruise to see if I could do it. I ended up only having 2 diet cokes on the entire 7 day cruise! I didn't get any headaches so I think that I can cut down again. I just need to have something healthy to replace it with, ie green tea, water or skim milk. I was thinking I would allow myself to have 1 diet coke during lunch. It will take me a while to get down to that point but I know I can do it. Jen

From: Kassia <ldy_solanayahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time). for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car. i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here. kassia

[Guest guest]

That sounds like a good plan Jen.  I was drinking one diet coke a day up until a month or so ago.  I had it at night, and it ALWAYS made me crave something else.  Now, that my DH isn't drinking it either, we are a soda-free house, and I LOVE it.  Before the boys were having drinks here and there, and I hated that......

Cheryl, for your tea, do you use tea bags or loose leaf?  Do you use 2 bags, or when doing flavored, just use the flavored?Darcy

   One thing I do always do when I'm tutoring or working some place where I can bring a beverage.  I bring water to drink.  I'm also cutting back on Diet Coke which is definitely a good thing.  I want to drink even more water, skim milk and green tea.

               Jen

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos

Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again.

i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)

as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time).

for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car.

i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here.

kassia

[Guest guest]

Hi Tess,

I had read something quickly about the 6 mini-meal thing, too. I guess the bottom line is to do what works for you. I workout on an empty stomach - I don't want to eat at 4:30/5:00 a.m., and exercising w/ food in my stomach makes me queasy anyway. I am hungriest earlier in the day, so that is probably when I *should* do most of my eating - so mid-morning through mid-afternoon. Then, I'm kinda not hungry for dinner - so most the time after mid-afternoon I'm eating for "psychological" reasons - although I see nothing wrong w/ having a light, healthy dinner since I do workout first thing in the morning on no food.

take care,

Donna

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain. Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me. I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger "snack-meals."The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed. There's many experts who

question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning. I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am. That's brunch for me. I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm. I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11. Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk. Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry

about what they eat other than for nutritional quality. Some do well counting calories, or Points. Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all. I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information. What works for one, doesn't work for all. And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50... Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed. Yummy, though!

;-)

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Hi Tess,

I had read something quickly about the 6 mini-meal thing, too. I guess the bottom line is to do what works for you. I workout on an empty stomach - I don't want to eat at 4:30/5:00 a.m., and exercising w/ food in my stomach makes me queasy anyway. I am hungriest earlier in the day, so that is probably when I *should* do most of my eating - so mid-morning through mid-afternoon. Then, I'm kinda not hungry for dinner - so most the time after mid-afternoon I'm eating for "psychological" reasons - although I see nothing wrong w/ having a light, healthy dinner since I do workout first thing in the morning on no food.

take care,

Donna

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain. Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me. I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger "snack-meals."The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed. There's many experts who

question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning. I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am. That's brunch for me. I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm. I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11. Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk. Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry

about what they eat other than for nutritional quality. Some do well counting calories, or Points. Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all. I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information. What works for one, doesn't work for all. And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50... Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed. Yummy, though!

;-)

[Guest guest]

When is the last time you eat in the p.m. if you don't mind me asking Donna?  I'm also working out early in the a.m. and do so on an empty stomach.  I'm used to eating at night though, and I want to not do that!

Darcy

Hi Tess,

I had read something quickly about the 6 mini-meal thing, too.  I guess the bottom line is to do what works for you.  I workout on an empty stomach - I don't want to eat at 4:30/5:00 a.m., and exercising w/ food in my stomach makes me queasy anyway.  I am hungriest earlier in the day, so that is probably when I *should* do most of my eating - so mid-morning through mid-afternoon.  Then, I'm kinda not hungry for dinner - so most the time after mid-afternoon I'm eating for " psychological " reasons - although I see nothing wrong w/ having a light, healthy dinner since I do workout first thing in the morning on no food.

 

take care,

Donna

Subject: Re: 6 small meals

To: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain.  Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.

This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks.  I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me.  I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger " snack-meals. "

The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed.  There's many experts who

question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. 

Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning.  I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am.  That's brunch for me.  I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm.  I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11.

Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk.  Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry

about what they eat other than for nutritional quality.  Some do well counting calories, or Points.  Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all.    I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information.  What works for one, doesn't work for all.  And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50...  

Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.

Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed.   Yummy, though! 

;-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Darcy,

Generally b/c of my and DH's work schedule, I tend to eat something later in the evening - average at about 7 pm - sometimes it is 6:30, sometimes it is 7:30. I got to bed pretty early b/c I get up so early. DD is usually in bed by 8 and asleep by 8:30- then, I'm pretty much in bed, too - usually reading or watching TV until 9:30. Sometimes I stay up later, but it is hard to get up at 4:30 w/out enough sleep!

Donna

From: Lethe Loupe <lethe.loupe@ gmail.com>

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain. Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me. I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger "snack-meals."The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed. There's many experts who

question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning. I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am. That's brunch for me. I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm. I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11. Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk. Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry

about what they eat other than for nutritional quality. Some do well counting calories, or Points. Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all. I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information. What works for one, doesn't work for all. And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50... Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed. Yummy, though!

;-)

[Guest guest]

Very interesting... I have to eat before I workout, about an hour before, otherwise I don't feel like I have enough energy. I get asked ALL THE TIME about what time people "should stop eating" for optimum weight loss results and my answer is, when you're no longer hungry! I know there's some studies that say eating after whatever time will cause you to gain weight but if you are hungry, you should eat. If you aren't, don't. Easier said than done though. I almost always have a bowl of popcorn in the evenings. Sometimes, if I have points for it, I also have a small sweet treat (1 Girl Scout cookie lately). I've been doing this for years and have also maintained my weight for almost 3 years. As you said, Donna, everyone is different and we each have to find what works for us, in regards to weight loss/maintenance and what helps us with our workouts too. Thanks for posting your perspective, you too Tess, I love reading how people handle different things, I always learn something new and get a wider perspective on my own tiny world!

Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain. Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me. I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger "snack-meals."The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed. There's many experts who question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning. I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am. That's brunch for me. I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm. I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11. Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk. Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry about what they eat other than for nutritional quality. Some do well counting calories, or Points. Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all. I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information. What works for one, doesn't work for all. And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50... Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed. Yummy, though! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Hi !Oh yes, we do have to do what works best for us - I have heard/read conflicting things about eating at night. For me, I think the problem w/ night time eating is that my "guard" is down - so I'll tend to eat for pleasure as opposed to for hunger - if that makes sense. I think if your schedule is such that you end up eating dinner late, but the rest of your calories for the day are in line and you are not over-eating or eating for "recreation" then it shouldn't be a problem. But, like I said, for me, my guard is down and it becomes all about comfort rather than hunger. I've been brushing and flossing and mouthwashing after dinner so I don't feel tempted to eat anything else.

Donna

From: Lethe Loupe <lethe.loupe@ gmail.com>Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:30 PM

Forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said here, but I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, but I just heard something that might pertain. Brad Pilon was talking with Craig Ballentyne about meal timing and pointed out the fact that while 5-6 meals works great for men, who at minimum have 2300-2500 calories to play with during the day, the same concept doesn't work so well for women who may have only 1200-1500 calories per day when trying to lose weight.This is simply because, when a smaller amount of calories is divided into that many pieces, you're not talking meals any more, you're talking scanty snacks. I've tried it, and it doesn't work for me. I'd rather have larger meals and no snacks, or fewer but larger "snack-meals. "The bottom line is the number of calories in vs. the number of calories out, and the nutritional quality of the foods consumed. There's many experts who

question the metabolic advantage of constant eating, saying that the stress on the body of continually digesting negates the slight caloric advantage of the thermic effect of digestion.I say, it's whatever works for you-- and as been pointed out in this thread, from what I've scanned, it's making time to make certain you have good healthy foods to eat, no matter what your schedule or meal-frequency is. Personally, I can't eat anything before I work out-- which means I usually work out first thing in the morning. I try to drink a glass of milk or a protein shake afterwards, but often I don't actually eat till 11 am. That's brunch for me. I eat again around 3,and again around 6 pm. I try not to eat anything after 8 pm, or my stomach burns when I go to bed at 10 or 11. Other people *have* to eat before they work out, or they bonk. Some people fast for 24 hours during the week, and don't worry

about what they eat other than for nutritional quality. Some do well counting calories, or Points. Some lose eating the majority of their calories as whole grain carbs, others do best when eating no grains at all. I think that's why weight control and sports nutrition is such a vast, confusing minefield of conflicting information. What works for one, doesn't work for all. And heck, I've found that what worked for me at 30 no longer works for me at near 50... Trial and error, but as long as you're not going literally hungry and you're not eating junk nor stuffing yourself even on the good stuff, you're on the right track and the rest is fine tuning to suit your particular biochemical and emotional makeup.Tess, who'll probably only eat once today as we went to Ruby Tuesdays and that stuff is sooooo calorie-crammed. Yummy, though!

;-)

[Guest guest]

The boys didn't even notice it was missing.  They weren't dependent on it or anything.  For me, it was hard for the first few days or so, but now I never think about it   I do order a diet coke or diet mountain dew when we are out to eat though (maybe 2 - 3 times a month)

Darcy

  How have the boys adjusted to no pop in the house?

 

Was it hard for you to give it up?

 

               Jen

From: Kassia <ldy_solanayahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: 6 small mealsTo: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)

as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time).

for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at

home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car.

i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here.

kassia

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,

I dunno. I like the carbonation too. When you do green tea and herbal it sounds like you're doing them together, is that with tea bags? I'm not much into tea but do drink it sometimes. I'm interested in learning more about this. Thanks for your help!

Re: 6 small meals> To: exercisevideos > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM> > > i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. > > i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)> > as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time). > > for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car. > > i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here. > > kassia>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know how hard it is not to develop bad habits when your life has turned upside down and when you're struggling with depression but I really want to encourage you to try to set up even small routines for yourself, with healthy bed and waking times, I know it will help you feel more "normal" and will help fight the depression too. Take it in baby steps, maybe just planning to go to bed at a certain time each night and doing that for a while, then adding on as you feel good about that piece. It is so hard though, I really do know.

Regarding your Grammy's rule... I'd think cereal is probably solid (we often start babies on solid food with cereal) but I'm not sure what your Grammy's rule is based on and it doesn't sounds like it makes sense for you to change this particular habit since it helps you sleep.

Hang in there, we're with you!

Re: 6 small meals

I would like to learn more about this 6 mini meals thing. I cannot exercise on a full stomach nor an empty one. I, too, have to exercise about an hour after eating. Also, I cannot go to bed hungry or I don't sleep well. I usually wake up anywhere from midnight to 5am and can't get back to sleep because of hunger. So, I don't eat right before bed. But depending on what I've had for dinner I may usually have a bowl of cereal anywhere between 7:30pm and 9pm. Since I'm not working I'm creating bad habits of staying up later and later. But the depression has me sleeping anywhere from 10-13 hours per night. My Grammy's rule was nothing solid in the mouth after 6pm. So is cereal considered "solid?"

[Guest guest]

Hey I too like carbination and get selzter water (plain, or lime) and mix a little pomegranite juice or some other juice - just a tablespoon. I have coke zero only for special occasions. I feel so much better. The other thing I use in water is emergen-c - like the little fizzys but try to find low sugar ones judy s

To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:48:57 PMSubject: Re: 6 small meals

Hi Cheryl,

I dunno. I like the carbonation too. When you do green tea and herbal it sounds like you're doing them together, is that with tea bags? I'm not much into tea but do drink it sometimes. I'm interested in learning more about this. Thanks for your help!

Re: 6 small meals> To: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM> > > i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. > > i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)> > as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from

day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time). > > for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car. > > i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a

WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here. > > kassia>

[Guest guest]

This doesn't sound too bad... I'll ponder on it more. Thanks Judy!

(clinging to this one probably bad habit, definitely could save money if I ditched it)

Re: 6 small meals> To: exercisevideos@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:57 PM> > > i posted a reply but seems things are missing in cyberspace again. > > i do agree with what you said nancy. when i am thinking of on call i am thinking of my uncle who would try to sit down for a meal then the beepers and alarms would ring for him to go. not saying he skipped meals or didn't eat healthy,he would find a way to make up for it. that is what i am thinking when i am thinking of ppl being called in to work etc last minute. then they either skip or eat really fast(which isn't that great for one's self either)> > as for folks like myself or even viola's therapist. we kind of know our schedule from day to day and we prepare for it. she carries her lunch and extra water or diet soda in her cooler and buys a small bowl of chili and either salad or a potato at wendy's after she sees viola(she leaves shortly before dinner time). > > for me personally i should have NO excuse for not having a healthy snack. even if i forget at home, i have plenty of grocery stores around me that sells apples and bananas one piece at a time they make fresh cut snack fruit bowls etc. and i also work in a kitchen where i can fix a small bowl of fresh fruit or fresh veggies to put in my locker until after work. IF i have to run to the store/fast food i try to be very conscious of what i pick. i choose things with no condiments(plain burger)apple slices etc. and i always keep water in my car. > > i can't speak for anybody else though b/c i am not in their shoes but i respect your view b/c its basically your job to help those reach their goals as a WW leader. and i don't think for a minute you are arrogant in anyway. you spoke your mind and your views with your experience. total respect for you here. > > kassia>