Re: Colloidal silver

[Guest guest]

Colloidal silver should not be taken internally.   Not only does it kill pathogens, it kills all microbes....and our immune system and other physiological processes need these microbes.   Iodine, which is required by the thyroid, is much more beneficial  in immediate relief and long term strengthening of the immune system....zinc also is very good.I have watched those who take colloidal silver internally, and they may feel better for a bit, but then whammo....they are sicker than before and  the infection becomes chronic.  Colloidal silver if fantastic for external use, and I use it immediately on any wounds for people or animals.  It is an extremely powerful microbe killer and not harmful of tissues.Trivia andraRegarding CL etc.. , through my own personal experience and  research while combating MRSA and researching the use of/and history of milk, I became aware that in centuries past, betters in society had long used silver cutlery, plates, bowls, mugs and urns to hold their both their milk and wines.Excessive wine caused gout to be termed a royal disease, however the key reason for mentioning this fact though is the importance of silver and its role in the prevention and treatment of infectious disease.   Should the FDA and the Medical Mafia along with big Pharma succeed in banning colloidal silver products, I note these were the front line defense against infection prior to the new age of penicillin and later chemical off shoots.I used just such a product to battle against MRSA in the later stages of my battle and successful recovery, along with the intravenous cocktail of drugs that left my immune system a shattered non functioning ruin. To be rebuilt with probiotics but more importantly and vital Raw milk. Only with this combination has my health notably improved since.Scientific tests suggest that nanosilver products, including 10 ppm Silver Sol technology products, actually render non-infective all pathogens with which they come into contact in the laboratory.  In my clinical and personal experience, it appears that the same thing can happen inside people and animals. What that means to you is that you can drink the Silver Sol technology liquid, place it under your tongue, wipe your hands or contaminated surfaces with it and be confident that the Silver Sol technology solution:Is safe to swallow for all members of your family at recommended doses (up to 1 tablespoon in a little water up to 4 times per day)Is tasteless, odorless and easy to takeCan be used sublingually in the same doses and then swallowedWill not interfere with medication or  preparations, homeopathics, herbs or other substancesHas no known side effects - cannot cause skin discoloration when used as directedHas been shown in many scientific and clinical studies to provide nutritional support to stimulate normal white cell function and regulate pathogenic organisms non-infectivityMany people have written to me asking how to protect themselves against the threat of Avian Flu or other anticipated pandemics.  Until now, I have been reluctant to suggest an answer to that question because I did not have scientific documentation (although my suspicion was that nanotechnology silver preparations were the best and safest bet we had).  I use these products for myself and would not think of being without them.  But until I had data on what happened when the Avian Flu virus was exposed to silver nanoproducts, I was reluctant to speculate about it. Now with the studies I have recently reviewed, I have concluded that there is reasonable scientifica substantiation for me to tell you that our best individual and collective solution is a natural one: silver nano solutions. Here's the Solution, Silver Solutionwww.nutronix.com/naturalsolutionsThe FDA does not want you to have access to silver. It is safe, easy to use and has a long storage life.  That means that expensive treatments may not be necessary and the FDA, ever obedient to the wishes of Big Pharma, is looking for ways to end your access to silver nutrition that works.  So I urge you to make sure that you lay in a stock of these wonderful products.  (This is the same solution that I used with great results when it appeared that I had contracted malaria a couple years ago, while traveling on Foundation business -- I had no symptoms after 1.5 hours and took a 1/2 teaspoon in a little water for 2 days after that). We of course, note that the Food and Drug Administration has not evaluated any of these statements and we do not intend to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease with nanosilver.To make sure that you have this remarkable silver product in your home please follow these instructions:1. Go towww.nutronix/naturalsolutions2. Click on the "Products" tab at the top of the page3. Scroll down the left hand index to "Immune Support"4. Purchase enough for yourself and your family for the foreseeable future.5. Consider giving it as gifts to everyone on your list.This is vitally important information and I urge you to make sure you have a supply NOW. Given that the Powers that Be insist that a pandemic is "inevitable", and perhaps even imminent, "now" means literally NOW! www.nutronix/naturalsolutionsShould such products as colloidal silver disappear as planned note that Sota Instruments manufactures equipment to make your own ionized colloidal silver solution, and other very useful products. You can write them atinfosotainstruments for details, and visit their website atwww.sotainstruments.com  to see their line of products.I have no connection or commercial interest in either mentioned sites except as aware that the information and what they provide will be helpful to health and wellness.>> OK group.. I figured I'd go digging here, cause if you bring up CL on> a regular goat group, your lambasted, cussed and black listed. But I> have some questions, that I NEED answered. How much of this CL> "scare" is based on fact ?? Yes goats get this, most likely they have> for centuries. strange,, they have not all died out. They have not> become extinct. How is it, that many goats live with CL goats, and> never become infected?? If it's passed through the milk as it is> claimed, How is it that kids do not get it from their dams ?? When> we first started goats, back 12 years ago, we had a doe, we got from> auction, pop lump after lump, (she lived about 9 years after we got> her) And none of her offspring that are still living,, have CL, (yes> we have been testing for the last 5 years since we show)....None of> her herdmates, 5 which we still own, have ever tested postive, yet,> they lived in the same enclosure for 5 years. OK OK some would just> argue that I'm Lucky or stupid.. whichever...> Reguardless, I sometimes wonder how much is fact, and how much of> it is imagined,, to scare us.. just like all the lies and scare> tactics the gov't uses to keep us from drinking our raw milk and> eating the good raw foods... THis is something I want each and every> goat person, on this list to think about,, you dont' have to answer,,> but really think about this,.... How many of you keep CL or CAE pos.> goats.. isolate them when you see a lump, in a special CL pen. when> they heal up, put em back with the herd, and disinfect the crap out of> the pen?? Now I dont' really want anyone to get on here and reply,> and tell me I'm a bad person, and I should Cull(nice word for Kill)> all my goats that pop lumps cause that is idiotic in my book..> > But I really think we as goat people, need to separate fact, from> Fiction. > Oh and yes, I read that whole thing on sheep and shearing etc in> Austraila. It was interesting,, But really there was NO medical,> actual documented cases of CL. It was suggested. Just like we all> will get e-coli, and die from raw milk... I am not saying we should> all just forgo our efforts, We should definatly be frugal in our> efforts to keep our goats from getting CL or CAE or anything. But do> not automatically go phsyco and go on a killing spree cause a goat> pops a lump... And don't make someone, who has a CL pos goat feel like> the only avenue they have is culling... I personally know a woman who> is 87 years old, has had goats for ,,who knows how long, has had pos.> CL goats she has cleaned and healed up .. and this woman does not have> CL, cancer or anything,, and then there are people who NEVER come in> contact with goats,, and are dying of lymphatic cancer,,, > > I am looking forward to reading others feelings on this,, you can> email me privatly if you like,, I really dont' need to be lambasted,,> I can go on the goat groups for that... LOL okee,, ,, the goat> lady in PA>

[Guest guest]

I'm not qualified enough to discuss the pros and cons of colloidal

silver and I've only taken it a few times. I will say that I was prone

to getting mastitis twice with each of my children and when I began to

get symptoms of it starting with my 4th child, a friend came over and

gave me some colloidal silver. I took it and was feeling so much

better than I had with antibiotics previously for cases of mastitis. I

only had two doses of it for that incident. I'm always open to

learning more and appreciate others sharing their experiences and

opinions.

Blessings,

>

> Colloidal silver should not be taken internally.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bob:

Funny you should mention golden. Usually my CS is clear like water. The

last batch came out a real beautiful golden color. I cleaned the electrodes

real well and the next batch was clear. Might have been the water?

Jim Meissner

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of bob

Larson

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:00 PM

To: Rife

Subject: RE: colloidal silver

there are some strange variables in silver making. solar flares and

planetary postions come into play, believe it or not. during intense solar

flares in fall 2006 things went pretty screwy sometimes. i was just getting

started then, so it was partly me for sure.

i find it really hard to get totally consistent results using very

consistent procedures and materials.

recently i had a batch come out pale golden for the first time in a couple

years, for no reason that i can account for... musta got some contaminant in

there i guess.

coffee filter papers, several layers, after the CS has settled down a few

days will remove any black oxides or whatever fallout.

> colloidal silver

>

> greetings: lately when I'm using the silver ingots for CS

> they turn dark and the bubbles that form on the sides seem to

> fall off in dark clusters. The first few times I made the CS

> I could see the silver coming off in small wisps, but now it

> more of chunks. Is this normal or am I doing something

> wrong? thanks so much!

>

> Pamela

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

well could be the water. i haven't made a batch since that one, but am

thinking if it does it again i'll change the first stage sediment cartridge

in my RO/DI filter and see if that stops it, and go from there with changing

other filter cartridges. i'm too suspicious, sceptical, broke, and cheap to

change them as often as recommended.

mine actually was clear after brewing, but turned gold in a gallon jug over

time...it sat for some weeks and i didn't notice when it turned. i often

use this jug as a holding tank to age it for a few days up to a couple

weeks, and then filter it into liter bottles.

if it still is such a nice pale almost clear color by the time i get to it

i'll drink it up, maybe adding FG h2o2 to it at each dose, not in the

bottles. there's at least 5 liters ahead of it so it'll be a month or so to

further watch it.

> colloidal silver

> >

> > greetings: lately when I'm using the silver ingots for CS

> > they turn dark and the bubbles that form on the sides seem to

> > fall off in dark clusters. The first few times I made the CS

> > I could see the silver coming off in small wisps, but now it

> > more of chunks. Is this normal or am I doing something

> > wrong? thanks so much!

> >

> > Pamela

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What kind of generator are you using? Also, are you using distilled water

to make your CSW?

>

>

> greetings: lately when I'm using the silver ingots for CS they turn dark

> and the bubbles that form on the sides seem to fall off in dark clusters.

> The first few times I made the CS I could see the silver coming off in small

> wisps, but now it more of chunks. Is this normal or am I doing something

> wrong? thanks so much!

>

> Pamela

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

use distilled water.

sherry

colloidal silver

> >

> > greetings: lately when I'm using the silver ingots for CS

> > they turn dark and the bubbles that form on the sides seem to

> > fall off in dark clusters. The first few times I made the CS

> > I could see the silver coming off in small wisps, but now it

> > more of chunks. Is this normal or am I doing something

> > wrong? thanks so much!

> >

> > Pamela

[Guest guest]

no, thanks. when my system is working correctly it's water is more pure

than DW from grocery stores (which is inconsistent) or from most countertop

distillers (from what i've learned from users of those). however, lately my

meter reading on it shows it's getting up to the level of storebought DW so

it might be time to freshen up the deionizer stage also.

> Re: colloidal silver

>

> use distilled water.

> sherry

[Guest guest]

Yes - Aqua Bidestillata.

Here is a good information about aidscure in PNG!

It works with CS + OzonWater + Beckzapper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt8tMx2fAEQ

>

> use distilled water.

> sherry

> colloidal silver

> > >

> > > greetings: lately when I'm using the silver ingots for CS

> > > they turn dark and the bubbles that form on the sides seem to

> > > fall off in dark clusters. The first few times I made the CS

> > > I could see the silver coming off in small wisps, but now it

> > > more of chunks. Is this normal or am I doing something

> > > wrong? thanks so much!

> > >

> > > Pamela

>

[Guest guest]

Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called "colloidal silver". So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website. www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.htmlSo the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting. Dr. FlaigTo: Rife Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver

A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter. To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer. Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer

mean?

[Guest guest]

These are the two different brands I was thinking about

http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm

This link below has CS and Zeolittle on it. I am currently using that Zeolitte. Do you like this zeolitte?

http://www.resultsrna.net/

Thanks Again for all your help.....

Steel

h

c

Hi,I've been using my EMEM machine irregularly for Lyme and related issues. So, I"m familiar with my machine, but do get ovewhelmed when trying to pare down to a short list of pertinent frequencis when I need them.Could someone help me sort through some frequencies please?I'm having some trouble figuring out which of very many frequencies listed in the CAFL to use for some new issues. The worst of the four things on this list is the ear infection, but all are upper respiratory issues, both bacterial and viral. Ha, add allergy as the cause as well.1. Herpes (Simplex) - doctor said a nasal infection I had was a herpes infection that was going around. It has come back with lesser intensity several times over the past few weeks.2. Ear Infection (bacterial)- This too is a "it's going around" thing. So prevelant that most pharmacies in my city and the adjacent one had run out of

the antibiotic/cortison e ear drops my doc prescribed. I will not be taking those.Started like an intense allergy and then became very infected.3. Sore throat - Has been clogged, sore several weeks from allergies, now it may be infected along with the ears.4. Sinusitis - chronic from allergies with infection flareups at times.The doc on Monday said the ear infection is bad enough to be the culprit in my feeling as though my body is fighting an infection, making me need to go to bed very early and sleep very late, and feel "fluish" overall.My guess is that the bacteria in my ears is affecting the other upper respiratory parts.I only want to do a handful (from 5-10 settings) because I herx intensely and have great difficulty clearing toxins from my body.Can someone please help me? I am so exhausted and Lyme-fogged in my brain, there's no way I can find a way to select the

settings to use from all those categories.I've made a list of all the CAFL frequencies for those ailments but it's too overwhelming for me to select just a few.Ach! Help, please! Thanks.Blue

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Hi, Pumpkin:Nadine Wooley, a lady who was wheel chair bound by MS wrote a book about her condition and how she moved from a wheel chair to walking with a cane after using colloidal silver water.  E-mail me at my private e-mail address (jonellis.stevens77@...) and I'll make a recommendation as to which colloidal silver water generator I recommend.  As I await your e-mail, I'll research the title of Nadine's book and have that for you, too.

 

hi john.....as i'm really a lurker on this site....i rarely post or reply..but your discussion with the CSW,woke me from my usual slumber....i feel like i need to give this a go .. my illness being MS ... over the years i have tried,and continue to try alternative treatments.....had a look on ebay UK...couple of machines to buy...its cheap as chips....so any help to get me started,please.........dave .....a windy,but warm Ipswich UK

 

  

 

 

Hi, :My apologies.  I've been making my own CSW for probably too many years and I'm not as familiar with what's on the market anymore.  If you send me a link to the company that makes ACS200 and Mesosilver, I'd be glad to investigate it for you and let you know.  And thank you for the compliment.  much appreciated.  Usually I'm catching hell from someone for my beliefs and research...

 

Ok

 

So ACS200 is the spray

 

Mesosilver would be the water...Right

 

Thanks a lot your a big help to all of us...

Steel

h

c

 

 

Hi,I've been using my EMEM machine irregularly for Lyme and related issues. So, I " m familiar with my machine, but do get ovewhelmed when trying to pare down to a short list of pertinent frequencis when I need them.Could someone help me sort through some frequencies please?I'm having some trouble figuring out which of very many frequencies listed in the CAFL to use for some new issues. The worst of the four things on this list is the ear infection, but all are upper respiratory issues, both bacterial and viral. Ha, add allergy as the cause as well.1. Herpes (Simplex) - doctor said a nasal infection I had was a herpes infection that was going around. It has come back with lesser intensity several times over the past few weeks.2. Ear Infection (bacterial)- This too is a " it's going around " thing. So prevelant that most pharmacies in my city and the adjacent one had run out of the antibiotic/cortison e ear drops my doc prescribed. I will not be taking those.Started like an intense allergy and then became very infected.3. Sore throat - Has been clogged, sore several weeks from allergies, now it may be infected along with the ears.4. Sinusitis - chronic from allergies with infection flareups at times.The doc on Monday said the ear infection is bad enough to be the culprit in my feeling as though my body is fighting an infection, making me need to go to bed very early and sleep very late, and feel " fluish " overall.My guess is that the bacteria in my ears is affecting the other upper respiratory parts.I only want to do a handful (from 5-10 settings) because I herx intensely and have great difficulty clearing toxins from my body.Can someone please help me? I am so exhausted and Lyme-fogged in my brain, there's no way I can find a way to select the settings to use from all those categories.I've made a list of all the CAFL frequencies for those ailments but it's too overwhelming for me to select just a few.Ach! Help, please! Thanks.Blue

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Hi, Pumpkin:I just googled Nadine Wooley and quite a few articles and references came up on her in relationship to her MS and colloidal silver water.  You can google her and download the articles in reference to MS and colloidal silver water.  A lot of info there.  Good luck.

Hi, Pumpkin:Nadine Wooley, a lady who was wheel chair bound by MS wrote a book about her condition and how she moved from a wheel chair to walking with a cane after using colloidal silver water.  E-mail me at my private e-mail address (jonellis.stevens77@...) and I'll make a recommendation as to which colloidal silver water generator I recommend.  As I await your e-mail, I'll research the title of Nadine's book and have that for you, too.

 

hi john.....as i'm really a lurker on this site....i rarely post or reply..but your discussion with the CSW,woke me from my usual slumber....i feel like i need to give this a go .. my illness being MS ... over the years i have tried,and continue to try alternative treatments.....had a look on ebay UK...couple of machines to buy...its cheap as chips....so any help to get me started,please.........dave .....a windy,but warm Ipswich UK

 

  

 

 

Hi, :My apologies.  I've been making my own CSW for probably too many years and I'm not as familiar with what's on the market anymore.  If you send me a link to the company that makes ACS200 and Mesosilver, I'd be glad to investigate it for you and let you know.  And thank you for the compliment.  much appreciated.  Usually I'm catching hell from someone for my beliefs and research...

 

Ok

 

So ACS200 is the spray

 

Mesosilver would be the water...Right

 

Thanks a lot your a big help to all of us...

Steel

h

c

 

 

Hi,I've been using my EMEM machine irregularly for Lyme and related issues. So, I " m familiar with my machine, but do get ovewhelmed when trying to pare down to a short list of pertinent frequencis when I need them.Could someone help me sort through some frequencies please?I'm having some trouble figuring out which of very many frequencies listed in the CAFL to use for some new issues. The worst of the four things on this list is the ear infection, but all are upper respiratory issues, both bacterial and viral. Ha, add allergy as the cause as well.1. Herpes (Simplex) - doctor said a nasal infection I had was a herpes infection that was going around. It has come back with lesser intensity several times over the past few weeks.2. Ear Infection (bacterial)- This too is a " it's going around " thing. So prevelant that most pharmacies in my city and the adjacent one had run out of the antibiotic/cortison e ear drops my doc prescribed. I will not be taking those.Started like an intense allergy and then became very infected.3. Sore throat - Has been clogged, sore several weeks from allergies, now it may be infected along with the ears.4. Sinusitis - chronic from allergies with infection flareups at times.The doc on Monday said the ear infection is bad enough to be the culprit in my feeling as though my body is fighting an infection, making me need to go to bed very early and sleep very late, and feel " fluish " overall.My guess is that the bacteria in my ears is affecting the other upper respiratory parts.I only want to do a handful (from 5-10 settings) because I herx intensely and have great difficulty clearing toxins from my body.Can someone please help me? I am so exhausted and Lyme-fogged in my brain, there's no way I can find a way to select the settings to use from all those categories.I've made a list of all the CAFL frequencies for those ailments but it's too overwhelming for me to select just a few.Ach! Help, please! Thanks.Blue

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Rife Group,Editorial correction: Ionic silver has no health benefit once it hits your stomach because it reacts with the HCL there and becomes insoluble. However, on your skin or in you mouth it kills microbes. Dr. FlaigTo: Rife Sent: Tuesday, September 1,

2009 8:05:40 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called "colloidal silver". So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the

scientific facts by going to the following website. www.silver-colloids .com/Pubs/ AboutIonic.htmlSo the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting. Dr. FlaigFrom: cb <soundtree@windstrea m.net>To: Rifeyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009

7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter. To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer. Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer mean?

[Guest guest]

My dear Dr. Flaig:Once again you pleasantly come up to debate some issues on colloidal silver water that I bring up.  I welcome the debate.  Do you use CSW?  Have you ever seen it work to " cure " serious respiratory illnesses, the flu, sinus problems, sore throats?  I've used CSW for over ten years and my skin is beautifully pink and nicely tanned from a lot of sun. Gee - no gray spots.  Hmmmnnn.   Do you use CSW yourself or do you rely on internet links for all of your information?  I've seen homemade Colloidal Silver Water work miracles in some cases.  I've used it in correlation with other protocols to cure breast cancer - and I have testimonies from those individuals to that effect.  What I'm making is " true " colloidal silver water - not silver salts which turns the skin gray with argyria.  Whenever colloidal silver water is made incorrectly, such as the " Blue Man " made, one can expect problems. not that it hurt him, but he did turn blue.  If it is made correctly it is very helpful and your skin doesn't turn gray - or blue.  I read a lot of " science " about how good statins are, too, but I wouldn't touch a statin with a ten foot pole.  I read a lot about the " science " of how good acid blockers like Prevacid are, too, but again, I wouldn't give Prevacid to a rat. There are " phony sciences " everywhere that will back up just about anything that King Pharma wants to sell or push.  So, for your hype and hearsay you bring up, I think you need to experience it before you dissuade folks from something that may help them.  Maybe you missed the e-mail where I mentioned an M.D. who cured his Lyme Disease with CSW - or Nadine Wooley, a victim of MS, who progressed from a wheelchair to walking with aq cane after she used 16 ounces of CSW daily for two years.  Or maybe you missed Dr. O'Becker's book on how he used silver in many healing ways - " The Body Electric. "   Why don't you google Nadine Wooley and see what you come up with.  Happy hunting...

 

Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called " colloidal silver " . So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website.  

 www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html

So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting. 

Dr. Flaig

To: Rife

Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver  

A nanometer is a very tiny measurement.  One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter.  

To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places.  .0008 equals  .8 nanometer.  

Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer

mean?

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>

> Rife Group,

>

> Editorial correction: Ionic silver has no health benefit once it hits your

stomach because it reacts with the HCL there and becomes insoluble. However, on

your skin or in you mouth it kills microbes.

>

>

> Dr. Flaig

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Rife

> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 8:05:40 AM

> Subject: Re: Colloidal silver

>

>

> Rife Group,

> There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called " colloidal

silver " . So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn

the scientific facts by going to the following website.

>

>

> www.silver-colloids .com/Pubs/ AboutIonic.html

>

> So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no

known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is

too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have

some health benefit but that's not what your getting.

>

> Dr. Flaig

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: cb <soundtree@windstrea m.net>

> To: Rifeyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Colloidal silver

>

>

> A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001

meter.

>

> To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3

places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer.

>

> Char

> ________

> mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3

nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer mean?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The term " Colloidal Silver " is used by all and sundry to describe *anything* and

*everything* which contains or perportedly contains silver which is why home

generated and most 'shop bought' products are misnamed. For a product to be

termed " Colloidal " it should contain no less than 50% particles and to achieve

that I believe suitable equipment and money is required, certainly not

achievable using Low Voltage units either home built or shop bought to my

knowledge.

EIS should be adopted as terminology, (S)ilver (E)lectrically (I)solated in

water containing no additives colouring or anything else in that water, and is

so termed to keep it seperate and apart from all other products such as

compounds, nitrates, citrates, proteins etc etc. The sooner people term it

appropriately the sooner the product will be better understood by those who are

seriously involved with the production of it, thus removing any confusion. EIS

will *not* cause Argyria!

My suggestion would be for a more appropriate terminology for the product being

spoken of.

This website is a valuable source of information for those wishing to learn

about EIS, it's not a bible however, there are other sites and literature

equally, if not more, informative, hence care should be taken so as not to fall

into the age old trap of 'alluding' to something without actually stating

it...as most articles do.

Example: In your quoted website it states... " true silver colloids do not cause

Argyria " but curiously it stops short of stating that " ionic " silver does.

Leading the reader to 'think' that ionic silver will cause Argyria...without

actually stating it as fact. To use one of their own addages... " techno babble " .

With enough reading of suitably researched literature people will decide for

themselves on ion/particle efficacy or non efficacy on the evidence that that

literature provides...as I have.

You may like to read up on " Ammonia Hypothesis " on the GAIA website regarding

ionic silver and HCl in the stomack also. Reading and learning is what EIS is

all about my friend.

>

> Rife Group,

> There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called " colloidal

silver " . So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn

the scientific facts by going to the following website.

>

>

> www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html

>

> So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no

known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is

too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have

some health benefit but that's not what your getting.

>

> Dr. Flaig

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Rife

> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Colloidal silver

>

>

> A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001

meter.

>

> To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3

places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer.

>

> Char

> ________

> mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3

nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer mean?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,Did you actually go to the website and read the material? Do you know what your making? Do you know the particle size? I'm sure you don't since the analysis is complex and expensive as the article explains. I suggest you keep an open mind, get a chemistry book and see what it says about ionic silver and HCL. You claim that your equipment produces "colloidal silver". Guess what, your right but the amount is very small compared to the amount of ionic silver these machines produce. You have made a claim so why don't you take a sample to a chem lab and have it tested (and not a lab run by an equipment maker). In fact, send me a sample and I'll have it tested at the University of California San Francisco medical lab.If you actually read the

article you would have found that the antimicrobial effects ionic silver are destroyed when you drink it but actual silver atoms can be ingested and still be effective. So now all you have to do prove is that what your making is REAL colloidal silver. But what about all those other entrepreneurs out there producing so called "colloidal silver" that is mostly ionic silver. Dr. FlaigTo: Rife Sent: Tuesday,

September 1, 2009 3:17:16 PMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver My dear Dr. Flaig:Once again you pleasantly come up to debate some issues on colloidal silver water that I bring up. I welcome the debate. Do you use CSW? Have you ever seen it work to "cure" serious respiratory illnesses, the flu, sinus problems, sore throats? I've used CSW for over ten years and my skin is beautifully pink and nicely tanned from a lot of sun. Gee - no gray spots. Hmmmnnn. Do you use CSW yourself or do you rely on internet links for all of your information? I've seen

homemade Colloidal Silver Water work miracles in some cases. I've used it in correlation with other protocols to cure breast cancer - and I have testimonies from those individuals to that effect. What I'm making is "true" colloidal silver water - not silver salts which turns the skin gray with argyria. Whenever colloidal silver water is made incorrectly, such as the "Blue Man" made, one can expect problems. not that it hurt him, but he did turn blue. If it is made correctly it is very helpful and your skin doesn't turn gray - or blue. I read a lot of "science" about how good statins are, too, but I wouldn't touch a statin with a ten foot pole. I read a lot about the "science" of how good acid blockers like Prevacid are, too, but again, I wouldn't give Prevacid to a rat. There are "phony sciences" everywhere that will back up just about anything that King Pharma wants to sell or push. So, for your hype and

hearsay you bring up, I think you need to experience it before you dissuade folks from something that may help them. Maybe you missed the e-mail where I mentioned an M.D. who cured his Lyme Disease with CSW - or Nadine Wooley, a victim of MS, who progressed from a wheelchair to walking with aq cane after she used 16 ounces of CSW daily for two years. Or maybe you missed Dr. O'Becker's book on how he used silver in many healing ways - "The Body Electric." Why don't you google Nadine Wooley and see what you come up with. Happy hunting... On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Flaig <johnflaigyahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called "colloidal silver". So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website. www.silver-colloids .com/Pubs/ AboutIonic. html So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting. Dr. Flaig

From: cb <soundtree@windstrea m.net>To: Rifeyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter. To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer. Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer mean?

[Guest guest]

Dr. Flaig,You do know that the link you provided is from a company which supplies a product called Mesosilver, don't you? So even if what they say is true they have a commercial interest in the information they publish. The commercial interest taints the intellectual purity of their information, or at least leaves it open to suspicion.

Randy

 

Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called " colloidal silver " . So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website.  

 www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html

So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting. 

Dr. Flaig

To: Rife

Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver  

A nanometer is a very tiny measurement.  One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter.  

To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places.  .0008 equals  .8 nanometer.  

Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer

mean?

[Guest guest]

Randy,It leaves it open to question, but that is why we have the scientific method to validate their claims. So grab a chemist or a chemistry book and see what the reaction equation looks like when ionic silver (valence +1) is mixed with HCL. Sure they have an interest in showing that their competitors are either crooks or incompetents and they do a pretty good job of showing that there a lot of both out there hocking their "colloidal" product as something it is not. I'm not saying it doesn't work I'm saying buyer beware!Dr. Flaig To: Rife Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:18:44 PMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver Dr. Flaig,You do know that the link you provided is from a company which supplies a product called Mesosilver, don't you? So even if what they say is true they have a commercial interest

in the information they publish. The commercial interest taints the intellectual purity of their information, or at least leaves it open to suspicion. RandyOn Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Flaig <johnflaigyahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Rife Group,There seems to be quite a lot of discussion here about so called "colloidal

silver". So rather than believing the hype and hearsay you might what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website. www.silver-colloids .com/Pubs/ AboutIonic. html So the stuff you are making or buying is mostly ionic silver which has no known health benefit but does have a very definite downside if the ppm level is too high of turning your skin permanently gray. A true silver colloid might have some health benefit but that's not what your getting.

Dr. Flaig From: cb <soundtree@windstrea m.net>To: Rifeyahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:09:59 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver A nanometer is a very tiny measurement. One nanometer equals 0.000000001 meter. To convert microns to nanometers, move the decimal point to the right 3 places. .0008 equals .8 nanometer. Char ________ mine is something like .ooo8 microns...how does that compare to 2-3 nanometer... what does 2-3 naometer mean?

[Guest guest]

Randy wrote:

Dr. Flaig,

You do know that the link you provided is from a company which supplies

a product called Mesosilver, don't you? So even if what they say is

true they have a commercial interest in the information they publish.

The commercial interest taints the intellectual purity of their

information, or at least leaves it open to suspicion.

Randy

Hey, come on! He's a doctor after all. Doctors do things

scientifically. You can be sure he has researched the source of this

information and found it to be non-biased.

"you might

what to learn the scientific facts by going to the following website. www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html"

Look at the who-is information for each of these domains. I guess it

could be a coincidence that they all seem to be interconnected.

Although you would think that a website which is purporting to convey

"scientific facts" would be very open about who its administrative and

technical contacts are (not hiding behind "Private, Registration"):

Domain Name: SILVER-COLLOIDS.COM

Created on: 10-Aug-99

Expires on: 10-Aug-10

Last Updated on: 11-Aug-09

Administrative Contact:

Private, Registration

Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com

15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353

sdale, Arizona 85260

United States

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS1.EINETCOM.NET

DNS2.EINETCOM.NET

NS1.SECONDARY.COM

Domain Name: PURESTCOLLOIDS.COM

Created on: 21-Jul-01

Expires on: 21-Jul-10

Last Updated on: 22-Jul-09

Administrative Contact:

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DomainsByProxy.com

15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353

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Domain servers in listed order:

DNS1.EINETCOM.NET

DNS2.EINETCOM.NET

Domain Name: MESOSILVER.COM

Created on: 15-Jun-01

Expires on: 15-Jun-10

Last Updated on: 16-Jun-09

Administrative Contact:

Key,

Purest Colloids, Inc.

213 Irick Road

Westampton, New Jersey 08060

United States

Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS1.EINETCOM.NET

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Domain Name: COLLOIDALSCIENCELAB.COM

Created on: 21-Jul-01

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Oops.

"is mostly

ionic silver which has no known health benefit..."

"Editorial correction: Ionic silver has no health benefit once

it hits

your stomach because it reacts with the HCL there and becomes

insoluble. However, on your skin or in you mouth it kills microbes."

What about inhaling ionic/colloidal silver through a nebulizer directly

into your lungs to kill microbes that cause respiratory infections?

[Guest guest]

[ Flaig]. . . get a chemistry book and see what it says about ionic

silver and HCL. You claim that your equipment produces " colloidal

silver " . . . . . If

you actually read the article you would have found that the antimicrobial

effects ionic silver are destroyed when you drink it but actual silver

atoms can be ingested and still be effective.

========================================

Most of the CS (or EIS) generators on the market today

produce a mixture of silver colloids and silver ions. I suggest you join the

silver list and see what respected chemists say about why the silver made by

these generators is still effective. These posts are from people who don’t

sell generators or have any financial interest in them. The information is in

my notes but I don’t have time now to look for the posts.

You can join the list here: http://silverlist.org

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

with a Holistic Health

Primer &

The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

www.nenahsylver.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you Nenah!!!!!  I'm also an far infrared Sauna user 3 - 4 times weekly.Jon Ellis s

 

[ Flaig]. . . get a chemistry book and see what it says about ionic

silver and HCL. You claim that your equipment produces " colloidal

silver " . . . . . If

you actually read the article you would have found that the antimicrobial

effects ionic silver are destroyed when you drink it but actual silver

atoms can be ingested and still be effective.

========================================

Most of the CS (or EIS) generators on the market today

produce a mixture of silver colloids and silver ions. I suggest you join the

silver list and see what respected chemists say about why the silver made by

these generators is still effective. These posts are from people who don’t

sell generators or have any financial interest in them. The information is in

my notes but I don’t have time now to look for the posts.

 

You can join the list here: http://silverlist.org

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

with a Holistic Health

Primer      &

The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

www.nenahsylver.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Yes, you're probably right, and as long as they " don't care " they will forever

have Argyria floating around in their heads, when they don't need to,

particularly those who consider they have a good grasp of the silver in water

concept. CS is too broad a terminology which perpetuates this notion of Argyria

etc, pity, but guess you're right, for those who are unable or unwilling to see

the distinction between CS and EIS they will forever have doubt about the

product, nevermind, as long as some have an understanding.

I'm quietly confident that the more EIS is mentioned rather than 'CS' the more

will be inquisitive enough and dig around on their own and see the bigger

picture.

Cheers

N.

> <snip>

> > The sooner people term it appropriately the sooner the

> > product will be better understood by those who are seriously

> > involved with the production of it, thus removing any

> > confusion.  <snip>

> >

> > My suggestion would be for a more appropriate terminology

> > for the product being spoken of.

>

>

> I've made the same proposition regarding Rife and other frequency machines,

but the vast majority don't want it; so it's unlikely that they will accept your

proposition regarding silver. Most people involved in this stuff don't care

about scientific precision or method.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my new Rife Handbook, there’s an expanded section

in Chapter 3 on Colloidal Silver (EIS). It describes in detail what CS is, how

it disables pathogens, how to make and store it yourself for pennies, what types

of silver compounds cause argyria, and how to reverse the effects of argyria. In

that section, I cite articles from respected sources, including a recent review

of the literature from a nursing journal.

Many of the details about CS to which people are

exposed are attempts at misinformation. The vast majority of people who use CS

find it effective for all kinds of conditions—from the flu to even Lyme—and

are very happy with it. I have been using it for myself, my friends and my dogs

for years.

Nenah

Nenah

Sylver, PhD

author:

The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

with

a Holistic Health Primer &

The

Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

www.nenahsylver.com

Re: Colloidal silver

.. . . CS is too broad a terminology which perpetuates this

notion of Argyria etc, pity, but guess you're right, for those who are unable

or unwilling to see the distinction between CS and EIS they will forever have

doubt about the product, nevermind, as long as some have an understanding.

I'm quietly confident that the more EIS is mentioned rather

than 'CS' the more will be inquisitive enough and dig around on their own and

see the bigger picture.

[Guest guest]

The Blueblood's were some of the only folks who made it through the vicious plagues of the 15th and 16th centuries because they ate off silver plates with silver utensils.  Silver has been used long before refrigeration to keep water fresh, milk fresh.  It may not be part of the human nutritional blueprint, but every cell has silver in it.  The healing properties of silver have been known for centuries.  It may not be something for daily use as good organic and natural foods, but it has it's place and if made correctly and used correctly, has no side effects.  Why didn't Nadine Wooley have hormonal imbalances while she was ingesting 16 oz daily for two years to address her MS - and progress with it?  How did Dr. Farber maintain his hormonal balances curing his Lyme disease using CSW.  I think you're overstretching, Ken. 

 

Dear and Members,

I agree with s view here. Silver has never been appart of the human

nutritional blueprint.

Looking at some aspects of its history with the royals of hundreds of years

ago who ate from silver utensiles - they weren't called blue bloods for

nothing.

Many of the royals suffered emotional and hormonal imblances - and we see

this here, today, when some people do question silver's use in health care

and wellness, the supporters get all emotional and come out very strong

defending its use.

Is this a sign of something more sinister lurking below the radar from long

term use ?

I have a bottle of it in my cupboard " for emergency use " only.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Colloidal silver

> No doubt about it being effective. My question is whether or not it is

> safe. Or does it act like a toxic heavy metal?

>

> Possibly it should be saved for emergencies.

>

> Loyd

> http://www.royalrife.com

>

>

>

> E. s wrote:

>>

>>

>> Thank you Nenah!!!!! I'm also an far infrared Sauna user 3 - 4 times

>> weekly.

>>

>> Jon Ellis s

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:56 AM, nenahsylver <nenahsylver@...

>> > wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> [ Flaig]. . . get a chemistry book and see what it says about

>> ionic silver and HCL. You claim that your equipment produces

>> " colloidal silver " . . . . . If you actually read the article you

>> would have found that the antimicrobial effects ionic silver are

>> destroyed when you drink it but actual silver atoms can be

>> ingested and still be effective.

>>

>> ========================================

>>

>> Most of the CS (or EIS) generators on the market today produce a

>> mixture of silver colloids and silver ions.