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This is what I'd like to do as well. I'm very new at this, so will be following

this thread closely. I have my very first, ever, brew on now, it's on day 4 and

I already like it. It might not last long enough to get a good scoby on top.

Yvette

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> Anyone doing this? I was last spring, but my scoby didn't seem to want to

> grow and stayed very translucent and thin.

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We all probably do this. :)

You're having trouble I never had, and I have troubles of my own. :)

Where do you live? I live in the top of WV.

Tell us how you are doing your continuous brew--from the chosen vessel, to the

cleaning practice, to the finished product of what you drink. Give us a good

picture so we can see what you do in our kitchen and maybe someone can spot the

problem. Tell us what your temps are. Where you place it.

Do you have successful brews in the gal jugs?

Lyn

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Anyone doing this? I was last spring, but my scoby didn't seem to want to

grow and stayed very translucent and thin. The first couple batches seemed

okay, but the last few were - ick. I finally just stopped and went back to

gallon brewing, but would really like to get back to continuous brewing.

I would brew until it tasted like what I wanted. Then I would use the

spigot to pour off until it didn't come out. What was left in the bottom

was my starter. I poured the cooled tea in on top (was advised by the

person I bought the set up from to do it this way).

What am I missing or not doing? Or do continuous brews need to have their

scoby replaced after a couple of brews?

Thanks for any insight you can give me!

Shari

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I have a 2.8 gal. continuous brew jar. For it to be " continuous brew " you

should not take so much at one time. The " continuous " part means it takes a

much shorter time to get to drinking stage as opposed to the 1-2 week period for

most " non-continuous " brews. My schedule is to draw off one gallon and refill

with one gallon every 3-4 days. If you were to draw off, say, a quart and add

back a quart of sweet tea, it would probably be ready to drink in a day.

The issue of the thin scoby probably has to do with the balance of bacteria and

yeast being off. I'm sure others can give you advice on that.

in Texas

>

> Anyone doing this? I was last spring, but my scoby didn't seem to want to

> grow and stayed very translucent and thin. The first couple batches seemed

> okay, but the last few were - ick. I finally just stopped and went back to

> gallon brewing, but would really like to get back to continuous brewing.

>

> I would brew until it tasted like what I wanted. Then I would use the

> spigot to pour off until it didn't come out. What was left in the bottom

> was my starter. I poured the cooled tea in on top (was advised by the

> person I bought the set up from to do it this way).

>

> What am I missing or not doing? Or do continuous brews need to have their

> scoby replaced after a couple of brews?

>

> Thanks for any insight you can give me!

>

> Shari

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From your description I would guess your crock became unbalanced towards too

high of yeasts. By draining it and only reserving the dregs in the crock

you are maintaining lots of the yeasts. I always keep around 2 cups from

the main part of the crock set aside, bottle the rest, pull the old SCOBY

and leave the new one (although if your new one is thin you may want to

reserve the old one or both of them), top with new cooled sweet tea, THEN

top with those 2 cups of reserved KT, cover the crock with a cloth and let

it do its thing. My SCOBYs are thick and healthy and my KT is yummy. You

want to make sure you have some good acidic not overly yeasty starter. AND

periodically you'd want to clean the whole crock out - pull and set aside

the SCOBY(s) - set aside some KT starter to top off with - clean the crock -

rinse well - fill with sweet tea, add SCOBY, top with starter and away you

go.

Jaxi

> Anyone doing this? I was last spring, but my scoby didn't seem to want to

> grow and stayed very translucent and thin. The first couple batches seemed

> okay, but the last few were - ick. I finally just stopped and went back to

> gallon brewing, but would really like to get back to continuous brewing.

>

> I would brew until it tasted like what I wanted. Then I would use the

> spigot to pour off until it didn't come out. What was left in the bottom

> was my starter. I poured the cooled tea in on top (was advised by the

> person I bought the set up from to do it this way).

>

> What am I missing or not doing? Or do continuous brews need to have their

> scoby replaced after a couple of brews?

>

> Thanks for any insight you can give me!

>

> Shari

>

>

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Thanks for the help. Here's the rundown:

I do not clean every time and I'm thinking this is what the downfall was.

The jug is made of porcelain or some such glazed material with a plastic

spigot and plastic o'ring. I bought it from a kombucha dealer and it was

sold specifically for continuous brewing.

It sits on my kitchen counter (would like to find some place else!) and when

I was brewing it was spring and rather cool and rainy here in western

Washington state.

I use a black, unflavored tea and raw sugar for making my tea.

Shari

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Thanks for the help. Here's the rundown:

I do not clean every time and I'm thinking this is what the downfall was.

The jug is made of porcelain or some such glazed material with a plastic

spigot and plastic o'ring. I bought it from a kombucha dealer and it was

sold specifically for continuous brewing.

It sits on my kitchen counter (would like to find some place else!) and when

I was brewing it was spring and rather cool and rainy here in western

Washington state.

I use a black, unflavored tea and raw sugar for making my tea.

Shari

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wrote: " ......but add a litre of sweetened tea every few days -

depending on how much I've had to drink - I usually just draw a glass

straight from the container, so in a couple of days it needs topping up. So

I probably maintain a gallon of brew in the container at any one time.

After adding tea, the kombucha is ready to drink again within 24 hours. My

scobies are thin, but there are about 1.5 inches of them.... "

I'm wondering how you can drink out of your brew everyday and add tea every

few days and still get true kombucha. I would think it was just sweet, room

temperature tea doing that.

Thought it had to " brew " for a time to eat the sugar and become kombucha.

Shari

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So I have an 8oz glass of tea on day one, an 8oz on day two, and 8 oz on day

three, when I add a litre/quart of sweet tea to a gallon of brew. The next day

my gallon and a quart is perhaps a bit sweeter than it was the day before, but

there is a big scoby and a gallon of brew working on it, and I find it

insignificantly different. It's a living food, and each batch would be

different as well if I was batch brewing. My brew tends to be on the acidic

side, minimally sparkling, and I don't think anyone tasting it would think it

was just sweet tea. Continuous brewing in this way works for me & I like it

because it is be less labour intensive, with less waiting once you have your

brew going.

> wrote: " ......but add a litre of sweetened tea every few days -

> depending on how much I've had to drink - I usually just draw a glass

> straight from the container, so in a couple of days it needs topping up. So

> I probably maintain a gallon of brew in the container at any one time.

> After adding tea, the kombucha is ready to drink again within 24 hours. My

> scobies are thin, but there are about 1.5 inches of them.... "

>

> I'm wondering how you can drink out of your brew everyday and add tea every

> few days and still get true kombucha. I would think it was just sweet, room

> temperature tea doing that.

>

> Thought it had to " brew " for a time to eat the sugar and become kombucha.

>

> Shari

>

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So I have an 8oz glass of tea on day one, an 8oz on day two, and 8 oz on day

three, when I add a litre/quart of sweet tea to a gallon of brew. The next day

my gallon and a quart is perhaps a bit sweeter than it was the day before, but

there is a big scoby and a gallon of brew working on it, and I find it

insignificantly different. It's a living food, and each batch would be

different as well if I was batch brewing. My brew tends to be on the acidic

side, minimally sparkling, and I don't think anyone tasting it would think it

was just sweet tea. Continuous brewing in this way works for me & I like it

because it is be less labour intensive, with less waiting once you have your

brew going.

> wrote: " ......but add a litre of sweetened tea every few days -

> depending on how much I've had to drink - I usually just draw a glass

> straight from the container, so in a couple of days it needs topping up. So

> I probably maintain a gallon of brew in the container at any one time.

> After adding tea, the kombucha is ready to drink again within 24 hours. My

> scobies are thin, but there are about 1.5 inches of them.... "

>

> I'm wondering how you can drink out of your brew everyday and add tea every

> few days and still get true kombucha. I would think it was just sweet, room

> temperature tea doing that.

>

> Thought it had to " brew " for a time to eat the sugar and become kombucha.

>

> Shari

>

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How would you propose to warm it on the counter? I can't have my house at

78 degrees and I've never brewed kombucha at 78 unless it was summer! I

live in Washington state and even then it doesn't get to 78 often, even in

summer. :-)

Shari

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Before drawing out a glass the first time, the brew would need to like a regular

batch - 7 to 14 days, or however long it takes to get it the right stage for

drinking. Then what you have a mostly " starter " and a small amount of fresh

sweet tea. It doesn't take long for that to be ready to drink again. That way

there is a range of aging that results in more beneficial ingredients than when

you brew a batch at a time (from what I have read in these group postings).

in Texas

" ......but add a litre of sweetened tea every few days -

> depending on how much I've had to drink - I usually just draw a glass

> straight from the container, so in a couple of days it needs topping up. So

> I probably maintain a gallon of brew in the container at any one time.

> After adding tea, the kombucha is ready to drink again within 24 hours. My

> scobies are thin, but there are about 1.5 inches of them.... "

>

> I'm wondering how you can drink out of your brew everyday and add tea every

> few days and still get true kombucha. I would think it was just sweet, room

> temperature tea doing that.

>

> Thought it had to " brew " for a time to eat the sugar and become kombucha.

>

> Shari

>

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said: " Before drawing out a glass the first time, the brew would need

to like a regular batch - 7 to 14 days, or however long it takes to get it

the right stage for drinking. Then what you have a mostly " starter " and a

small amount of fresh sweet tea. It doesn't take long for that to be ready

to drink again..... "

Now that makes sense! I was thinking of replacing all of the tea, but a bit

at a time is reasonable. Maybe like a quart at a time?

Now if anyone can tell me how to get this giant jug warm I'll be set!

Shari

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Yes, like a quart.

Some people are pretty creative with their " warming " arrangements. I'm sure you

will get lots of suggestions.

in Texas

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> said: " Before drawing out a glass the first time, the brew would need

to sit like a regular batch - 7 to 14 days, or however long it takes to get it

> the right stage for drinking. Then what you have a mostly " starter " and a

> small amount of fresh sweet tea. It doesn't take long for that to be ready

> to drink again..... "

>

> Now that makes sense! I was thinking of replacing all of the tea, but a bit

> at a time is reasonable. Maybe like a quart at a time?

>

> Now if anyone can tell me how to get this giant jug warm I'll be set!

>

> Shari

>

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Yes, like a quart.

Some people are pretty creative with their " warming " arrangements. I'm sure you

will get lots of suggestions.

in Texas

>

> said: " Before drawing out a glass the first time, the brew would need

to sit like a regular batch - 7 to 14 days, or however long it takes to get it

> the right stage for drinking. Then what you have a mostly " starter " and a

> small amount of fresh sweet tea. It doesn't take long for that to be ready

> to drink again..... "

>

> Now that makes sense! I was thinking of replacing all of the tea, but a bit

> at a time is reasonable. Maybe like a quart at a time?

>

> Now if anyone can tell me how to get this giant jug warm I'll be set!

>

> Shari

>

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Hi Shari, Kombucha Heating Mats are vital to a successful winter brew.

They are easily found with Google. Why bother heating the whole house

when you can just heat the brewing vessel? Wrap it around the sides,

don't heat from underneath as that sparks yeast overgrowth.

Hannah Crum

The Kombucha Mamma

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Yes that's exactly right...takes a minute to get the mind around it. I like

c.b. cause I never have to wait for tea.

Gail

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> said: " Before drawing out a glass the first time, the brew would need

>

> to like a regular batch - 7 to 14 days, or however long it takes to get it

> the right stage for drinking. Then what you have a mostly " starter " and a

> small amount of fresh sweet tea. It doesn't take long for that to be ready

> to drink again..... "

>

> Now that makes sense! I was thinking of replacing all of the tea, but a bit

>

> at a time is reasonable. Maybe like a quart at a time?

>

> Now if anyone can tell me how to get this giant jug warm I'll be set!

>

> Shari

>

>

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Batch brewing might not be her issue because that is how I have done mine all

along and I have boocoo scobys everywhere that grow thick and my brews taste

fine as kombucha flavor goes. Though I don't like kt so I don't like the

resulting drink. Yet, that is. Just gotta find the right flavor blends for the

secondary brew.

Tho I am going to try to process my brews like you do yours sometime but it is

becoming colder now and I do not know if it will work out to do that like I want

to.

But my thought for myself is, how to be sure acidic tea gets onto the scoby. So

when the time comes to add tea, I will pull some acidic tea off first, add the

sweet tea, then put the acidic tea over the top and then cover it with the

cloth.

I am also making a scoby hotel just for acidic tea purposes for times when I

forget to pull acidic tea out of the CB crock before adding the sweet tea. Cuz I

tend to forget that.

I found another way I like KT and will be able to enjoy it a little more. I take

colostrum and collagen and so I tried putting those powders into kt and it is

good that way. It reminds me of the drink that is left after you eat all the ice

cream out of your soda float.

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Sound to me that what you are doing is batch brewing in a large container. If

you draw off everything but a 'starter' then you are really making a new batch

each time.

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Hi EveryOne,

I have been brewing Kombucha tea ever since 1994 and have never used a heating

pad yet. We heat our home with a wood stove all winter so it gets fairly cold

at night. In the day time the temperature varies, high 60's to 70's, yet the

Kombucha does just fine.

I suspect that brewing in a large container with several layers of SCOBY,

(kombucha colony) each time makes the difference. I also pour in at least two

cups of starter KT from the previous batch to get it going. I have always

fermented for about a week and get sweet sour tea every time, just the way I

like it.

Using a heating pad may provide a faster fermentation process but it is by no

means necessary unless your house is always below 65-70 degrees.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> Hi Shari, Kombucha Heating Mats are vital to a successful winter brew.

> They are easily found with Google. Why bother heating the whole house

> when you can just heat the brewing vessel? Wrap it around the sides,

> don't heat from underneath as that sparks yeast overgrowth.

>

> Hannah Crum

> The Kombucha Mamma

>

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My house is colder than 60 in the winter. I bought magnets for my gas line and

will see this year if I can put more temp into the house and not go broke. I

will let you all know if it works. The seller recommended putting the magnets at

a T, but I don't have a T on my line. So I crawled under my trailer and put the

magnets on the gas line and pushed them up into the insulation, which has them

probably about a foot from the valve at the furnace at floor level inside my

house.

----- Original Message -----

Hi EveryOne,

I have been brewing Kombucha tea ever since 1994 and have never used a heating

pad yet. We heat our home with a wood stove all winter so it gets fairly cold at

night. In the day time the temperature varies, high 60's to 70's, yet the

Kombucha does just fine.

I suspect that brewing in a large container with several layers of SCOBY,

(kombucha colony) each time makes the difference. I also pour in at least two

cups of starter KT from the previous batch to get it going. I have always

fermented for about a week and get sweet sour tea every time, just the way I

like it.

Using a heating pad may provide a faster fermentation process but it is by no

means necessary unless your house is always below 65-70 degrees.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

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Bev - are you doing the continuous brewing in a large container. I have

been making (on & off) kombucha since about 1995 and this is the first year

I experimented with continous brewing, without success; but here I think

I've received my answers, or at least other things I can try.

I have always saved some booch from the previous batch to go in the jar. I

am quite good at gallon brewing, but the 2.5 gal is not producing good

scobys.

Thanks for all the good information everyone!

Shari

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The issue of the thin scoby probably has to do with the balance of bacteria and

yeast being off. I'm sure others can give you advice on that. - in Texas

Hi Chris

Thanks for bringing the microbial quality or as you put it the " balance of

bacteria and yeast " issue up. Unfortunately, I have found no writings in general

and little interest in this topic on this forum. Do you have a position or can

cite others?

It seems like common sense that the profile of microbes: bacterial and yeast

will vary amongst cultures which may affect brew time and even taste and health

quality of the brew.

Kathy

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Kathy, the balance issue mostly comes up when brewers want to increase the

carbonation of their KT. The way I understand it, if the balance is tipped to

the bacteria, the scoby will be bigger and the carbonation less. If the yeast

is predominate the brew will sour quickly. The goal is to find the right balance

to get good carbonation (if that's what you want), and a healthy scoby. The

amount of sugar in the brew affects the balance. Too much sugar leads to high

yeast content. I think I have that right. Anyway, a good reference is Len

Porzio's Kombucha, The Balancing Act, users.bestweb.net/~om/kombucha_balance/

Chris

>

> The issue of the thin scoby probably has to do with the balance of bacteria

and yeast being off. I'm sure others can give you advice on that. - in

Texas

>

> Hi Chris

>

> Thanks for bringing the microbial quality or as you put it the " balance of

bacteria and yeast " issue up. Unfortunately, I have found no writings in general

and little interest in this topic on this forum. Do you have a position or can

cite others?

>

> It seems like common sense that the profile of microbes: bacterial and yeast

will vary amongst cultures which may affect brew time and even taste and health

quality of the brew.

>

>

> Kathy

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Kathy, the balance issue mostly comes up when brewers want to increase the

carbonation of their KT. The way I understand it, if the balance is tipped to

the bacteria, the scoby will be bigger and the carbonation less. If the yeast

is predominate the brew will sour quickly. The goal is to find the right balance

to get good carbonation (if that's what you want), and a healthy scoby. The

amount of sugar in the brew affects the balance. Too much sugar leads to high

yeast content. I think I have that right. Anyway, a good reference is Len

Porzio's Kombucha, The Balancing Act, users.bestweb.net/~om/kombucha_balance/

Chris

>

> The issue of the thin scoby probably has to do with the balance of bacteria

and yeast being off. I'm sure others can give you advice on that. - in

Texas

>

> Hi Chris

>

> Thanks for bringing the microbial quality or as you put it the " balance of

bacteria and yeast " issue up. Unfortunately, I have found no writings in general

and little interest in this topic on this forum. Do you have a position or can

cite others?

>

> It seems like common sense that the profile of microbes: bacterial and yeast

will vary amongst cultures which may affect brew time and even taste and health

quality of the brew.

>

>

> Kathy

>

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