Re: Wisdom teeth removal procedure

[Guest guest]

The periodontal ligament should be removed. Some of the bone around the

tooth root should be removed to stimulate new bone growth. If there is an

infection, all of the bone that is soft and infected should be removed. When

there

is no infection, I'm not sure how much bone is good to remove and would have to

talk to a dentist about it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

cheers chris. im goign there 6am tom morning.

and sittin on the wait list ( most likely 4 hours )

i think this is reason for some of my mouth probs

adn also my crooked jaw as its blocking me from moving jaw side to side ect.

when 4 years ago is wa straight.

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From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: Wisdom teeth removal procedure

The periodontal ligament should be removed. Some of the bone around the

tooth root should be removed to stimulate new bone growth. If there is an

infection, all of the bone that is soft and infected should be removed.

When there

is no infection, I'm not sure how much bone is good to remove and would have

to

talk to a dentist about it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

4 hours??? wow! I got there a half hour early and they let me in 10 minutes

later!

Well, good luck, I hope all goes well.

Chris

In a message dated 11/20/03 1:42:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> cheers chris. im goign there 6am tom morning.

> and sittin on the wait list ( most likely 4 hours )

>

> i think this is reason for some of my mouth probs

> adn also my crooked jaw as its blocking me from moving jaw side to side ect.

>

> when 4 years ago is wa straight.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/03 4:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> this is the yibby yibbida auzzie public system mate.

> its for free so cant complain i suppose.

> however i will be making sure the doctor is fully aware of the procedures

> as public hospital doctor//dentists/physio's seem to be veyr lacking in

> knowledge/experience.

It's free? Do leprachaun's provide it? I figured you paid for it by taxes

;-)

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/03 5:04:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> ( i cant even book a appointment for a private dentist for the teeth )

> i have to book a " look in the mouth first " then a removal appointment

> which i shudder to think how much they will charge fgor the removal

I'm sure you could afford it quite easily if your tax money were returned to

you that went towards the public " dentist. "

What dentist in their right mind would simply remove your teeth because you

tell them too, without " looking in your mouth " first?

I had a " look in the mouth first " appointment also, which lasted for nearly

three hours, with much discussion of my general health and checking for all

sorts of problems. My dentist showed great interest in my overall health and

paid careful attention to me. When I got the teeth removed, I got superior care

from a dentist with superior knowledge with equipment that was modern and

superior in both efficacy and comfort with the added luxury of a radio walkman

to

listen to during the procedure, plus the extra time the dentist took to make

me 100% comfortable with and confident in the procedure.

I paid nothing at all for the first appointment and had to pay 20% of the

cost of the second appt.

Some would argue that if there were no insurance the total cost would be

considerably lower but the simple fact that even with the insurance such

superior

service was delivered because my dentist knows if they don't make me a

long-term customer by providing me with the best service they can they don't get

my

insurance money demonstrates the vast superiority of this system.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/03 7:14:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

filippa91@... writes:

> So what about those who can't afford insurance?

I guess it depends where you live. In MA, if you can't afford insurance, you

just sign up for Mass Health and get insurance for free. Most places hate

dealing with Mass Health though and are currently phasing it out.

I was on it at one point. But the percentage of people who actually can't

afford insurance is pretty small, I'd say, and I personally don't know any,

except a particular friend I have who, well, let's say it's his own fault. The

other thing one could do is enroll in a community college and get there health

insurance, on the way to an education and a better job. Anyone who can't

afford insurance can probably go to college for free with a Pell Grant, which is

what I did.

Anyway, the idea that because some people can't get care we should sign

everybody up for free tax-funded crackpot dentists who don't do complete work

and

remove teeth at a patients request without even looking in their mouth first

strikes me a somewhat illogical.

Chris

[Guest guest]

this is the yibby yibbida auzzie public system mate.

its for free so cant complain i suppose.

however i will be making sure the doctor is fully aware of the procedures

as public hospital doctor//dentists/physio's seem to be veyr lacking in

knowledge/experience.

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From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: Wisdom teeth removal procedure

4 hours??? wow! I got there a half hour early and they let me in 10 minutes

later!

Well, good luck, I hope all goes well.

Chris

In a message dated 11/20/03 1:42:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> cheers chris. im goign there 6am tom morning.

> and sittin on the wait list ( most likely 4 hours )

>

> i think this is reason for some of my mouth probs

> adn also my crooked jaw as its blocking me from moving jaw side to side

ect.

>

> when 4 years ago is wa straight.

[Guest guest]

well i guess we do pay for it via taxes eheh

otherwise its $30 jsut to open my mouth for dentist to then go ok we book

appointment to get them taken out and fee will be $$$.

( i cant even book a appointment for a private dentist for the teeth )

i have to book a " look in the mouth first " then a removal appointment

which i shudder to think how much they will charge fgor the removal

_____

From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Friday, 21 November 2003 7:46 AM

Subject: Re: Wisdom teeth removal procedure

In a message dated 11/20/03 4:36:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> this is the yibby yibbida auzzie public system mate.

> its for free so cant complain i suppose.

> however i will be making sure the doctor is fully aware of the procedures

> as public hospital doctor//dentists/physio's seem to be veyr lacking in

> knowledge/experience.

It's free? Do leprachaun's provide it? I figured you paid for it by taxes

;-)

Chris

[Guest guest]

yeah i remember tha walkman now lol!

well with public dentists they ship u in and out as fast as possible.

i ahd some calcification on a cpl of my teeth and went in there and when i

got home i noticed they hadnt removed it all. couldnt beelive it

befor eyou know it ya told to hop off the chair all is done c ya later.

_____

From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Friday, 21 November 2003 8:20 AM

Subject: Re: Wisdom teeth removal procedure

In a message dated 11/20/03 5:04:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anthony.byron@... writes:

> ( i cant even book a appointment for a private dentist for the teeth )

> i have to book a " look in the mouth first " then a removal appointment

> which i shudder to think how much they will charge fgor the removal

I'm sure you could afford it quite easily if your tax money were returned to

you that went towards the public " dentist. "

What dentist in their right mind would simply remove your teeth because you

tell them too, without " looking in your mouth " first?

I had a " look in the mouth first " appointment also, which lasted for nearly

three hours, with much discussion of my general health and checking for all

sorts of problems. My dentist showed great interest in my overall health

and

paid careful attention to me. When I got the teeth removed, I got superior

care

from a dentist with superior knowledge with equipment that was modern and

superior in both efficacy and comfort with the added luxury of a radio

walkman to

listen to during the procedure, plus the extra time the dentist took to make

me 100% comfortable with and confident in the procedure.

I paid nothing at all for the first appointment and had to pay 20% of the

cost of the second appt.

Some would argue that if there were no insurance the total cost would be

considerably lower but the simple fact that even with the insurance such

superior

service was delivered because my dentist knows if they don't make me a

long-term customer by providing me with the best service they can they don't

get my

insurance money demonstrates the vast superiority of this system.

Chris

[Guest guest]

<Some would argue that if there were no insurance the total cost would be

considerably lower but the simple fact that even with the insurance such

superior

service was delivered because my dentist knows if they don't make me a

long-term customer by providing me with the best service they can they don't

get my

insurance money demonstrates the vast superiority of this system.>

I would have to agree....with large insurance companies creating networks

and negotiating discounts with the hospitals and medical groups, and at the

same time having to provide a 'good' network of doctors and hospitals due to

competition, it really forces quality of sevice to play a large role.

It is interesting to see how the trend is working out. I think in the

future, and it could be a decade or two before this pans out, the medical

community is going to be held more responsible for what they charge. Most

insurance companies are now developing plans that are becoming more consumer

driven...where the consumer will benefit more by shopping around basically.

It is still in its fledgling stages of course....the information consumers

need to make these decisions is just not available yet, but I think it will

begin to grow as the medical costs keep rising. HMO's with their single

copay for office visits and hospital stays has kept the consumer blind to

how much those procedures cost behind the scenes. In the tight times we are

in, employers can't offer simple little copay plans anymore, and the

employee will start to feel the real costs involved......leading to a more

'price shopping' mentality. It sucks...I already feel the crunch each year

as my contributions go up and my benefits go down, but alas, that is how the

cookie has crumbled. I would rather have quality and am still willing to

pay for it.

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[Guest guest]

It's free? Do leprachaun's provide it? I figured you paid for it by taxes

;-)

Chris

--------------------------------

You betcha! Wanna come and pay our taxes? Wow! And to think I pay through the

nose for a holistic dentist and private health care.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

Some would argue that if there were no insurance the total cost would be

considerably lower but the simple fact that even with the insurance such

superior service was delivered because my dentist knows if they don't make me a

long-term customer by providing me with the best service they can they don't get

my insurance money demonstrates the vast superiority of this system.

Chris

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So what about those who can't afford insurance?

Filippa

[Guest guest]

>Some would argue that if there were no insurance the total cost would be

>considerably lower but the simple fact that even with the insurance such

superior service was delivered because my dentist knows if they don't make me a

long-term customer by providing me with the best service they can they don't get

my insurance money demonstrates the vast superiority of this system.

>

>Chris

Someone did a study of the California system and decided there

is enough money CURRENTLY being spent to provide

care for everyone, but it is very poorly spent. For example,

hospitals get a lot of subsidies for " uninsured patients " .

Americans spend more for health care and are paradoxically

in poorer health .. it's gotta say something. The nice thing about

a " payer " system (be it insurance or the govt) is that they put

pressure on the system. In Germany it led to a big study of herbs,

because herbs are cheaper than drugs and they wanted to make it

so the docs could easily prescribe them according to a protocol.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/21/2003 1:14:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> In Germany it led to a big study of herbs,

> because herbs are cheaper than drugs and they wanted to make it

> so the docs could easily prescribe them according to a

> protocol.

I wonder what will happen to the price. I think it was Sweden where they

started regulating vitamins like pharmaceuticals, and they pay astronomical

prices for them as a result.

My doctor uses herbs.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>I wonder what will happen to the price. I think it was Sweden where they

started regulating vitamins like pharmaceuticals, and they pay astronomical

prices for them as a result.

In this case, the state pays for them, which is why they wanted something cheap!

-- Heidi