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In a message dated 11/22/03 2:51:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

liberty@... writes:

> I'm sorry, I must

> have missed the relevant post, but why does anybody want

> to eat cold lard?

>

Actually, cold lard tastes good. But there are two points. One, if I fry my

potatoes in lard, by the time I finish the potatoes they are starting to get

cool. Especially with the amounts I eat this is true even if the only thing

I'm eating once I start is the potatoes. However, I think this is true of

almost any dish almost anyone eats. Second, I often eat leftovers of all kinds

of

things cold, including leftovers of things cooked in lard.

Chris

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> Joe,

>

> > I put the fat in a pot on low heat on the stove top.

> >It took 1 to 2 days depending on how much fat there was before it

> >was done.

>

> You leave it overnight?

>

> Then just took the skin out.

>

> Leave skin on or do you mean remove cracklings, what didn't

render? Never

> heard on leaving skin on. Good idea with health benefits l've

heard of from

> eating pig skin recently.

wanita, i had big slabs of pork fat from when I bought a half pig.

the skin was still on the slabs. One pot i chopped up the slab into

little pieces and rendered, one I just put the whole slab of fat

with skin on in the pot. Either way came out the fine. I did leave

it on overnight, I think two nights in one case. Was on the lowest

stove setting, low and slow, good pot. after the fat was all liquid

took the skin out and stored the lard. ate the skin chopped up in

salads or alone. also mixed some of the skins with some spices.

was yummy. I was just in a bbq restaurant and they had a pic of

some bbq place in carolina where they chop the the meat and skin up

together mixed, with a carolina bbq (vinegar) type sauce. got to

try this.

the reason i made the lard in the first place is cause just moved

from mass to ohio. wanted to cut down on the amount of frozen meat

and stuff needed to bring on the plane, but i ended up a lard lover.

I want it in everything, is so good. nutritionaly i like to think

of it as olive oil (mostly mono oleic) with vitamin D. and some

extra sats thrown in to make it cooking stable.

I still have a few slabs of fat, wanted to cure them in the basement

italian 'lardo' style. but basement in new house is too warm with

the furnace down there. trying to think some other options up.

-joe

-joe

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Joe,

> i had big slabs of pork fat from when I bought a half pig.

>the skin was still on the slabs. One pot i chopped up the slab into

>little pieces and rendered, one I just put the whole slab of fat

>with skin on in the pot. Either way came out the fine. I did leave

>it on overnight, I think two nights in one case. Was on the lowest

>stove setting, low and slow, good pot. after the fat was all liquid

>took the skin out and stored the lard. ate the skin chopped up in

>salads or alone. also mixed some of the skins with some spices.

>was yummy.

Could maybe do this in the oven low in an enameled roaster pan. Do you

uncover for part of time for steam to escape? Le Crueset off in future

unfortunately.

>I was just in a bbq restaurant and they had a pic of

>some bbq place in carolina where they chop the the meat and skin up

>together mixed, with a carolina bbq (vinegar) type sauce. got to

>try this.

>the reason i made the lard in the first place is cause just moved

>from mass to ohio.

Was going to ask if this was Bub's in MA but you say you've moved.

>I want it in everything, is so good. nutritionaly i like to think

>of it as olive oil (mostly mono oleic) with vitamin D. and some

>extra sats thrown in to make it cooking stable.

Pork lard and butter were all l had until about 12 years old at home. Got

to raise pigs.

>

>I still have a few slabs of fat, wanted to cure them in the basement

>italian 'lardo' style. but basement in new house is too warm with

>the furnace down there. trying to think some other options up.

A small insulated room maybe furthest from furnace. Wish there was a

basement here to figure something with.

Wanita

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Probably, but I'm told that venison fat has an extremely strong and

>unpleasant taste and that it therefore shouldn't be consumed or even used

>for cooking.

>

Hmm ... so where DID the Indians get their fat? (the ones who couldn't get

salmon or buffalo?).

-- Heidi

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>I thought that all animal, or solid fats became grainy

>when cooled slowly enough.

Not with all the water boiled out. I couldn't believe it!

> That's why in Indian and

>Middle-Eastern cooking it's prescribed to use butter,

>ghee or other solid fats when frying items to be served

>hot, but only oil for those to be served cold, to avoid

>that grainy mouth-coating experience. Pastry is of course

>an exception since the fat is completely absorbed into

>the matrix of the paste as it cools. I'm sorry, I must

>have missed the relevant post, but why does anybody want

>to eat cold lard?

Probably no one does? But the graininess indicates, perhaps, it's

ability to withstand mold. Those of us with overflowing freezers

appreciate this!

(Actually someone did post awhile back that schmaltz, cooled chicken

or goose fat, was often used like butter, but it must be an acquired taste).

-- Heidi

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Heidi-

Maybe venison fat is like mutton -- most people don't like it, but people

who grow up eating it love it.

>Hmm ... so where DID the Indians get their fat? (the ones who couldn't get

>salmon or buffalo?).

-

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> >Hmm ... so where DID the Indians get their fat? (the ones who

couldn't get

> >salmon or buffalo?).

>

>

>

> -

how about beaver?

http://www.naturallist.com/bevrfat.htm

(google beaver fat = big mistake )

btw, i just read a report about the plains indians being on average

the healthiest indians, the equestrian tribes even more so. the

possible obvious reason being the buffalo. based on bone surveys

the cheyanne were 176.7 cm, the tallest official known average in

the world known by the west for that time (1800s).

-joe

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just noticed, the guy also sells bear fat

http://www.naturallist.com/bearfat.htm

>

> > >Hmm ... so where DID the Indians get their fat? (the ones who

> couldn't get

> > >salmon or buffalo?).

> >

> >

> >

> > -

>

> how about beaver?

>

> http://www.naturallist.com/bevrfat.htm

> (google beaver fat = big mistake )

>

> btw, i just read a report about the plains indians being on

average

> the healthiest indians, the equestrian tribes even more so. the

> possible obvious reason being the buffalo. based on bone surveys

> the cheyanne were 176.7 cm, the tallest official known average in

> the world known by the west for that time (1800s).

>

> -joe

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& Joe,

Only thing l dislike about venison fat is it will stick to the roof of your

mouth if you eat it off the edge of a chop. In the burger, its low fat if

you use just venison fat, grinding breaks it down, cooking melts and makes

smaller so you don't get the mouth roof sticking. Never had strong flavored

venison fat. Definitely tastes wild. The only way you're going to get the

game flavor out totally is to farm it with commercial feed. Size of deer,

diet and how long hung all factors to fat taste. Hunting season is timed

not only to when there is hopefully snow to track them in, timed to their

overeating phase before winter for weight and fat gain and after acorns

fall, their favorite. Summer killed deer meat is likely to have parasites

in it. Think it quite likely that Native Americans considered all this and

saved large deer hunt for winter food until cold weather because of

parasites too, eating smaller game and fish when deer wasn't good. Guts and

Grease http://westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html has

fat composition for some game, deer kidney fat not beaver and bear Joe

mentioned. Bear fat sticks less to mouth roof.

Wanita

>Probably, but I'm told that venison fat has an extremely strong and

>unpleasant taste and that it therefore shouldn't be consumed or even used

>for cooking.

>

>>Do they store fat internally? I.e. around the kidneys?

Wanita

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Word--me too. Seems like most people are really picky about having

their food warm or hot all the time. I get shocked looks from people

who see me eat things straight out of the fridge. What's the deal?

It's just cold whatever-it-is. Sometimes the time and effort it takes

to heat it up is not worth the improved taste and texture.

Tom

> In a message dated 11/22/03 2:51:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> liberty@p... writes:

>

> > I'm sorry, I must

> > have missed the relevant post, but why does anybody want

> > to eat cold lard?

> >

>

> Actually, cold lard tastes good. But there are two points. One, if

I fry my

> potatoes in lard, by the time I finish the potatoes they are

starting to get

> cool. Especially with the amounts I eat this is true even if the

only thing

> I'm eating once I start is the potatoes. However, I think this is

true of

> almost any dish almost anyone eats. Second, I often eat leftovers

of all kinds of

> things cold, including leftovers of things cooked in lard.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

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