RE: Re: Another at home test for HCl

[Guest guest]

Hi Filippa,

I am up to 5 per meal too. I also have had no reaction. I certainly

don't want to take more than I need so tomorrow morning I will be

doing this test too. Should be interesting! (Sheila)

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I'll be interested to hear how you go Sheila. I didn't get any reaction from one

so tomorrow will be two. Interestingly, last night I forgot to take any HCl

until after my meal and then I only took two (I've been taking five during the

meal, eat some, take one, eat some, take one, etc). this morning my BM was back

to being semi-fermented and semi-undigested again. So I'm pretty sure now that

the low stomach acid was the major cause of my digestive problems. Siggghhh,

just gotta keep ingesting HCl I suppose.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

>You guys need not worry about taking too much betaine hydrochloride.

>I have been using and or recommending betaine for many years.

>DMM

,

Any idea why a betaine hydrochloride supplement (Zypan) would come out

feeling very hot at the other end? No real diarrhea, just hot. Seems

bizarre that it wouldn't have been neutralized way upstream. That only

happened once, but suffice to say I haven't been real gung ho to try it again!

Any problem with taking those supplements without a whole lot of food for

buffer? Like with just a snack?

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[Guest guest]

>Ps- I know this is sacrelige and Royal Lee himself is going to flip

>over in his grave but I am not fond of zypan. I much prefer betaine

>hydrochloride by itself and the pancreatic enzymes separate. I can't

>tell you why because its all the same stuff but I simply have had

>better results with betaine hydrochloride as a singular product taken

>with panreatin or the like also as a separate product. For what its

>worth.

Now that's interesting. I just ordered a different combination HCl product,

but if I have any trouble maybe I'll try that approach.

I was using Zypan because my doc said I could break it up and take smaller

amounts, because my meals are small. It even says, I think, on the label

that you can break the tablet. Most of the capsule products have to be

swallowed whole, and I have trouble swallowing large caps anyway.

Then, Ori just recommended I take a product from Enzymatic Therapy.. he

didn't tell me the exact name but said it has betaine hydrochloride plus

pancreatic enzymes, pepsin.. I looked it up and the product that seemed to

match that description was Protazyme.

He also suggested that Wobenzym can be used as a digestive enzyme even

though it's enteric coated. I thought it couldn't, and it's not marketed as

a digestive enzyme but a systemic anti-inflammatory. But he said it will

break down in the stomach a little bit and do some good there too. I like

those because they're *tiny*.

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[Guest guest]

Mike-

I assume you recommend Zypan? I noticed no effects from Zypan, and

extraordinary pain from another brand of HCl.

>You guys need not worry about taking too much betaine hydrochloride.

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[Guest guest]

You guys need not worry about taking too much betaine hydrochloride.

I have been using and or recommending betaine for many years.

If you do take too much I assure you that you'll know it. And the

harm you'll do will simply be about 10 minutes of discomfort as all

you'll need to do to resolve it will be just eat some more. Betaine

is a great addition to most modern diets considering the nearly

epidemic frequency of low hcl.

DMM

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Well that's good to know DMM, thanks. Good excuse for me to eat more! :-) Now

where did I put those tablets?

Filippa

[Guest guest]

Can you mix something with the beets or do you have to eat it alone to see

if you have low stomach acid?

Kayte

Re: Another at home test for HCl

> You guys need not worry about taking too much betaine hydrochloride.

> I have been using and or recommending betaine for many years.

Mike (and others),

I'm interested in this thread because I have low stomach acid (you

can do a test where you simmer 3 medium size beets in water for an

hour and then eat at least a cup of the beets and drink 1/4 cup of

the liquid. Watch your urine for the next 24 hours. If it's tinged

pink, you have low stomach acid. If it stays clear, you have

enough. This is also good for testing bowel transit time as your

stools will become almost black from the beets.).

However, my holistic physician says she doesn't want me taking HCl.

I think she said the reason is because it will make your body reliant

on it. Unfortunately, I don't know what she recommends for getting

your body to produce more HCl on its own. I'll have to ask next time

I see her.

Anyway, everyone here seems to say HCl is no problem, so I'm

wondering why my doctor doesn't like it. She's definitely holistic,

uses lots of supplements/nutrition in her practice, & pretty much

goes along with all the various things I say I want to try/experiment

with. But she balks on the HCl.

Have you heard of this anywhere else, Mike? Also, a nutritionist

recommend Metagest as an HCl supplement. Do you know anything about

it?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>However, my holistic physician says she doesn't want me taking HCl.

>I think she said the reason is because it will make your body reliant

>on it. Unfortunately, I don't know what she recommends for getting

>your body to produce more HCl on its own. I'll have to ask next time

>I see her.

That is my argument also. I don't like being dependent on pills.

But I also don't have a good regime for causing the production

of HCL to go up! It is usually the case that taking supplements

of a hormone will make the body " lazy " -- but if you need it, then

you need it.

For myself the WD seems to really help in that regard, and being

GFCF for awhile. But I can't say if this will work for everyone.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Yes I would like to know this as well. I DON'T like beets. For me this test

would test my gag reflex more than my stomach acid. :-)

-----Original Message-----

From: Kayte Sisler [mailto:kayte@...]

Can you mix something with the beets or do you have to eat it alone to see

if you have low stomach acid?

Kayte

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I hope you find the sheet

Kayte

Re: Another at home test for HCl

> Can you mix something with the beets or do you have to eat it alone

to see if you have low stomach acid?

>

> Kayte

Kayte,

Unfortunately, I can't find my instruction sheet right now so I can't

give a definitive answer. However, IIRC, you could add something to

the beets. What's very important, though, is that you eat at least 1

cup of cooked beets and drink 1/4 cup of the liquid. A cup of beets

is a lot to eat!

Having only had canned pickled beets as a child and hating them, I

was apprehensive about doing this, but I found they actually weren't

too bad at all!

I found a willing friend to try the experiment with me. It was very

interesting in terms of bowel transit time. He had black stools

within 24 hours, but mine took 68 hours!!! Yea, I think I have a

slight problem there!

If I come across the instruction sheet and there's any additional

info, I'll post later.

[Guest guest]

--- rachel <kibrah@...> wrote: > Yes I

would like to know this as well. I DON'T like

> beets. For me this test

> would test my gag reflex more than my stomach acid.

> :-)

>

At last, someone else who gags on beets! I'm pleased

to hear it's not just me. Its funny how other things

I don't like I could force down me in a pinch, but I

just couldn't ever do that with beets.

Jo

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Jo-

Oh, I do too. I once made beet kvass, hoping that the fermentation would

enable me to choke some down, but no, if anything it actually increased the

nausea quotient.

>At last, someone else who gags on beets!

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[Guest guest]

--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > Jo-

>

> Oh, I do too. I once made beet kvass, hoping that

> the fermentation would

> enable me to choke some down, but no, if anything it

> actually increased the

> nausea quotient.

>

So the gag reaction is not as uncommon as I thought.

Is there something in beets that causes it in some

people?

I ate (cooked) liver tonight - it was ok, I might

learn to enjoy it one day - liver used to make me gag.

I can't imagine getting to the " it's ok " phase with

beets.

Strangely, I have eaten beet crisps before, and they

are very nice and no problem for me at all.

Jo

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--- kili94 <lm324@...> wrote: > Jo and ,

> So, if you haven't tried them recently, it might be

> worth another try

> (although it sounds like you have, ).

>

I have tried pickled beets and beet kvass lately.

Still gagging....

I make a point of trying foods I don't like several

times a year. I can now eat olives, which I love but

used to hate, and lamb, which is ok, but the smell

puts me off more than the taste now!

Jo

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--- wtsdv <liberty@...> wrote: >

> Do you pickle them? I find that unless beets are

> given

> some sort of sweet and sour treatment, they have a

> kind

> of chalky or dusty overtone.

>

That's certainly how I last tried them about 3 days

ago. The only way I've eaten them without gagging is

when made into crisps/chips.

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Clear DayI have tried them that way too. I still can't eat them.

That's why I was surprised when I tried these plain boiled beets. My

first thought was, " these aren't too bad. "

So, if you haven't tried them recently, it might be worth another try

(although it sounds like you have, ).

[Guest guest]

Clear Day I used to not be able to eat liver either. A few things that work

for me are cut into little pieces and mix it with gravy that I am putting on

something (like mashed potatoes). Or mix it with a stuffing type dish. Or

you can just drown it in gravy.

I ate (cooked) liver tonight - it was ok, I might

learn to enjoy it one day - liver used to make me gag.

I can't imagine getting to the " it's ok " phase with

beets.

Jo