Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 So many people are really gung-ho about juicing these days. While it probably increases your intake of vegetable nutrients, wouldn't the lack of chewing (and mixing with saliva, etc.) make it a less-than-optimum way of obtaing the vegetable nutrients? I understand that some juicers generate heat in the process, so you would end up with something that isn't quite totally raw, right? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 From what I understand, you get more nutrients from juicing because of the quantity of vegetables used and the fact that the cellulose is no longer there to deal with by your digestive system. Many people who have poor digestion will assimilate the nutrients from juiced veggies much easier than if they ate them. Most juicers don't generate much heat...it is the oxidation of the juice that can be a problem. But there are really good juicers out there like the Greenstar, that don't have those problems and make a great quality juice that can even be stored. Becky > So many people are really gung-ho about juicing these days. > > While it probably increases your intake of vegetable nutrients, > wouldn't the lack of chewing (and mixing with saliva, etc.) make it a > less-than-optimum way of obtaing the vegetable nutrients? > > I understand that some juicers generate heat in the process, so you > would end up with something that isn't quite totally raw, right? > > Just wondering. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 In a message dated 11/12/03 10:18:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, toyotaokiec@... writes: > While it probably increases your intake of vegetable nutrients, > wouldn't the lack of chewing (and mixing with saliva, etc.) make it a > less-than-optimum way of obtaing the vegetable nutrients? No, in a juice fast that's the whole point. Most fruits and vegetables the carbs are primarily monosacharides and there's simply no reason to mix monosacharides with saliva, since they don't require digestion. That way, your digestive system gets a break. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 > Most juicers don't generate much heat...it is the oxidation of > the juice that can be a problem. But there are really good > juicers out there like the Greenstar, that don't have those > problems and make a great quality juice that can even be > stored. I did a lot of research before buying a juicer, and the twin gear juicers have the drawback of being a PITA to clean. Plus, they create a lot of foam when juicing certain things (like grasses). I'm also not so sure I want to subject my juice to the Greenstar's magnetic bioceramic yada yada that they claim gives the juice increased shelf life. What I ended up getting is Omega's single-gear juicer. It's a little slow to juice, but it doesn't heat the juice at all, doesn't create as much foam, and it cleans up in a snap. It's also the one Mercola recommends: http://www.mercola.com/forms/omega.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:13:28 -0000 " " <toyotaokiec@...> wrote: >So many people are really gung-ho about juicing these days. > >While it probably increases your intake of vegetable nutrients, >wouldn't the lack of chewing (and mixing with saliva, etc.) make it a >less-than-optimum way of obtaing the vegetable nutrients? > >I understand that some juicers generate heat in the process, so you >would end up with something that isn't quite totally raw, right? > >Just wondering. > > > > Hi , Late response to your question but here is something I posted awhile ago about juicing. /message/27433 ############# I can think of several reasons why I would avoid the modern penchant for juicing. 1. It is in fact not traditional. And while that is not the be all and end all of the matter, it is certainly something to take into consideration. After all, this group is based in part on a book called Nourishing *Traditions* Many paleo folks reject juicing on the grounds that it was not technologically feasible to juice, and whatever juice our forbears got would have been from small amounts through grinding plants with their teeth. While I agree with their conclusion about the lack of juicing, I do not agree with how they arrived there. I'm not much on the paleo way of thinking and reasoning but that is a topic for another time. Suffice it to say, I think much of it meanders off into the realm of the highly speculative. Nonetheless, many cultures have always had the means to make juice but did not. Wherever there was a grain mill or the ability to make oil or wine there was the ability to make juice. And even if the only technology you had was your own feet you could still make juice from soft fruit. Why didn't that occur? And when it did why did these folks ferment their juice rather than drink it straight? If this is such a healthy practice why didn't anyone before our time adopt such a practice, even on an occasional basis? 2. When vegetable juicing is done as a regular thing, there is the problem of concentrating the anti-nutrients. Yes juicing is a marvelous way to increase the valuable constituents found in the plant, and it can have great short term healing benefits, and there are lots of wonderful stories about the power of juices and juice fasting (me included) but I think with long term *regular* use you can run into some problems. Now this may in fact be a problem related to modern agriculture in terms of the amount of anti-nutrients available, but if it is, it is a big problem and one not going away anytime soon. There are a number of people on the live food list who were originally quite enthusiastic juicers, but had to moderate their intake over time as the regular consumption of juices became a problem. 3. The very large increase in sugar content is a problem. Nourishing Traditions says we shouldn't drink fruit juice, but there are high sugar veggies as well. The most prominent juice plant is carrot, and it is very high in sugar, as are beets. Now don't get me wrong, I think juicing can have a place in the modern diet, just not as a staple of the diet. IMO, juicing is in the same category as many herbs, something to be used on an occasional or cyclical basis, but not as a staple dietary item. 4. It seems to me that the very problems we try to overcome by fermenting or cooking vegetables/fruits are magnified by juicing. The liberation of juice from the fiber, while concentrating many nutrients, also removes many protective factors, as well as leaving behind many nutritional factors as well. The Vita-Mix people have been using a pretty good marketing campaign over the years about how much is actually left behind by juicing (up to 91% of the nutritional factors according to them): see http://tinyurl.com/lihz or http://www.vitamix.com/household/whats_new/brochures/Healing_and_Good_Health.pdf I would think that pot liquor (leftover water from cooked veggies) and/or juice from fermented plants would be far more useful on a regular basis. In fact on a number of long fasts I have used a concoction called potassium broth, which is a liquid made from *cooked* veggies. In short, I think one can benefit from juicing therapeutically. It would be silly to deny the anecdotal evidence of the fantastic results many have received from such use. There is also the *clinical* experience of the modern fasting clinics and some Doctors. But again that is a cyclical/therapeutic use not a regular one. I have found juicing to be a great support in fasting as well. But as dietary staple? ly I think that is a modern fad which is alive and well in the alternative health movement, and needs to be examined a lot more closely. Stupid Vogue http://tinyurl.com/39juj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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