Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 >> Re. the big companies responsible for the price inflation, it's simple. Chanel owns 75% of the ylang ylang plantations in Madagascar, et is busy investing in the sandalwood plantations in New Caledonia; Guerlain owns most of the neroli plantations in Morocco and rose plantations in France, Bulgaria and Turkey and Manet has basically monopolized the production of omumbiri in South Africa and I could name many more.... I am sure some of the perfumers here would be able to support this with more examples. Think carefully.  If there are no producers, the party that need the product will create a private plantation or contract local farmers, assuring the needed requirements AND consistent quality. If indeed the price rises because of this, it is NOT because of the private plantations, but rather because of the lack of free market open plantations.  And why do you think this is?  Why should I plant jasmin, roses, etc. with no contract & guaranteed buyer? Who will plant, fertilize, irrigate and harvest the product, which is seasonal? Very important but never mentioned, the product needs consistency and quality control at the harvest & extraction location. Individual farmers cannot control this, hence the need of brokers that will bulk and resell the material. Indeed, if the price rises, then we have an incentive to plant & dedicate resources.  Usually, the large houses do not own the plantation, but contract the crop to fill their pipelines. This is true of any farming or agricultural product. -= Cß =- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 > It's simple: > Where the essential oil is cheaper, they use it. Bear in mind that we use odor value, not monetary value. Just because an item is expensive, does not mean that it has good odor value. The reality is that we have first dibs on the quality from the brokers. Think...., who gets the other material. There is always a buyer. One bad natural, can destroy a whole perfume. We do not buy a label, we buy an odor. Many times I've rejected products, when all tests showed the product to be within specifications, but the odor was off. -= Cß =- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 ________________________________ I seriously question if any of the big perfume houses even use naturals anymore. Anyone notice the cheap, artificial smell of the newer perfumes? One of my old favorites was White Shoulders and it doesn't smell anything like what it used to. Cat That was my question too. If all these companies make almost all synthetic scents, what are they buying up all that neroli for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 If you would know the world of Perfumery , for sure you never lay this question ! not only buying natural products , but try to produce by themselves naturals : IFF with LMR , Firmenich who bought ex Danisco plant in Grasse area , ex Chauvet in Seillans ( 83).... with Biolandes Technologies , subsidiary of Chanel , Chanel produces the naturals they need for their world known Perfumes.... and many others ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 > That was my question too. If all these companies make almost all synthetic scents, what are they buying up all that neroli for? Conspiracy theorists pick one: Maybe to control the prices? Maybe to keep natural perfumers under their thumbs? Or maybe to keep natural perfumers from producing larger amounts, thus reducing the competition? Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 ---- Original Message ----- > That was my question too. If all these companies make almost all synthetic scents, what are they buying up all that neroli for? > Conspiracy theorists pick one: > Maybe to control the prices? > Maybe to keep natural perfumers under their thumbs? > Or maybe to keep natural perfumers from producing larger amounts, thus reducing the competition? And ... how do you know that the so called 'natural products' are such? The label may say so, but what is the product inside??? Do you buy because you have a piece of paper that says it's natural? Because you have a certificate of analysis?? At one time there was a 55g drum of Galbanum in Marseilles, and the world's supply of Galbanum came from that drum <vbg>. Maybe that drum is still there. ?? Even Bulgarian rose oil, with chamois skin, gold rope, and the wax seal was 'extended'. -= Cß =- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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