Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 > Happy New Year Dear Group... > > I recently purchased some absolutes from " The Essential Oil Company " www.essentialoilscompany.com and while the oils smell lovely, I feel they are adulterated with synthetics. I should have known by the price I paid that they could not be authentic but I purchased them anyway and below is the description for the Gardenia Absolute. I wrote to the company and I am waiting for a reply. > > > This is an authentic gardenia jasminoides maceration grown and extracted by Victorie Inc. This maceration has a stronger scent profile than all the other macerations we have tested through out the years. Our gardenia maceration is infused in a special olive oil base using a cold process extraction. Perfect for aromatherapy, skin care or natural perfumes! > > Gardenia is highly used in Perfumery as well as cosmetics. > > Any help or thoughts would be appreciated:) > > Joyce crossposting to the guild group > They're full of baloney, not gardenia ;-) > > http://www.basenotes.net/threads/219146-quot-Shiva-Exports-quot-aka-quot-Wholesa\ le-Essential-Oils-quot-Prices-too-good-to-be-true > > > Anya McCoy > http://AnyasGarden.com > http://PerfumeClasses.com > http://NaturalPerfumers.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 > > I recently purchased some absolutes from " The Essential Oil Company " > www.essentialoilscompany.com and while the oils smell lovely, I feel they > are adulterated with synthetics. I should have known by the price I paid > that they could not be authentic but I purchased them anyway and below is > the description for the Gardenia Absolute. I wrote to the company and I am > waiting for a reply. > This is an authentic gardenia jasminoides maceration grown and extracted > by Victorie Inc. This maceration has a stronger scent profile than all the > other macerations we have tested through out the years. Our gardenia > maceration is infused in a special olive oil base using a cold process > extraction. Perfect for aromatherapy, skin care or natural perfumes! > ---- Good grief. That's terrible. Here's the real Victorie Inc website, and their floral enfleurage page: http://www.victorie-inc.us/floral-enfluerage.html As you can see, their genuine macerations are much more expensive. Victorie should complain to the Essential Oils Company as well!! What a scam! Best wishes Johanna Wgtn, New Zealand > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 > > Happy New Year Dear Group... > > > > I recently purchased some absolutes from " The Essential Oil Company " www.essentialoilscompany.com and while the oils smell lovely, I feel they are adulterated with synthetics. I should have known by the price I paid that they could not be authentic but I purchased them anyway and below is the description for the Gardenia Absolute. I wrote to the company and I am waiting for a reply. > > > > > > This is an authentic gardenia jasminoides maceration grown and extracted by Victorie Inc. This maceration has a stronger scent profile than all the other macerations we have tested through out the years. Our gardenia maceration is infused in a special olive oil base using a cold process extraction. Perfect for aromatherapy, skin care or natural perfumes! > > > > Gardenia is highly used in Perfumery as well as cosmetics. > > > > Any help or thoughts would be appreciated:) > > > > Joyce > > crossposting to the guild group > > They're full of baloney, not gardenia ;-) > > > > http://www.basenotes.net/threads/219146-quot-Shiva-Exports-quot-aka-quot-Wholesa\ le-Essential-Oils-quot-Prices-too-good-to-be-true > > > > > > Anya McCoy > > http://AnyasGarden.com > > http://PerfumeClasses.com > > http://NaturalPerfumers.com > > > > > > You purchased the " Perfume Oil " which is synthetic. Those are in a different category from the Essential Oils. -Kristie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 hello if its the essential oil co in the cotswolds then yes, you really need to be careful with purchasing.... you could always go for more reputable cos that the guild suggest. I hope that i am replying correctly. It has been a long time since i have joined in.... and im not sure if this will be shown at the bottom of the thread or not.. apologies to the lovelies who chek all this if not.... I hope to be joining in more frequently now... as my turbulent private life is slowly sorting out lol... love to all the perfumers here..... Janita Haan Custom perfume natural perfume ________________________________ To: NaturalPerfumery Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2012, 1:20 Subject: credible suppliers Happy New Year Dear Group... I recently purchased some absolutes from " The Essential Oil Company " www.essentialoilscompany.com and while the oils smell lovely, I feel they are adulterated with synthetics. I should have known by the price I paid that they could not be authentic but I purchased them anyway and below is the description for the Gardenia Absolute. I wrote to the company and I am waiting for a reply. This is an authentic gardenia jasminoides maceration grown and extracted by Victorie Inc. This maceration has a stronger scent profile than all the other macerations we have tested through out the years. Our gardenia maceration is infused in a special olive oil base using a cold process extraction. Perfect for aromatherapy, skin care or natural perfumes! Gardenia is highly used in Perfumery as well as cosmetics. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated:) Joyce ------------------------------------ Natural Perfumery is the biggest, friendliest group with fantastic archives, files and links -- like an education, for free, with your best friends! Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi, I'm in Australia and I recently purchased quite a good amount of oils from Amit at Essential Oils Company. His Sandalwood oil is gorgeous. He was extremely generous and sent me very large quantities of free samples including Double Super Oud and substantial amounts (5 - 10mls) of Frangipani, Osmanthus, Tuberose and Champaka absolutes because I pestered him so hard about the quality/integrity of the oils. He also sent me some oils that he selected for me including Root and Ruh Khus (Vetiver) which are great. He distills his own rose oil, as well as many other essential oils and oud to make his attars and to blend specialist perfumes for the Arab market, he buys his absolutes from a South Indian company, and his large Middle Eastern client base are very happy with his products. So I reckoned, the Indians and Arabs have been trading/growing/blending and wearing exquisite ungents and aromatics far longer than me and mine, so I'll give it a shot. I was very happy with the products and I am utterly smitten with the heavenly rose attar that I've made from his sandalwood and rose otto. Swoonworthy! At all times Amit was very friendly, patient, helpful and considerate despite my anxiety about our cultural/language and continent disparities. We spoke twice on the phone and he answered all my endlessly annoying emails within 2 - 3 days. I am well pleased and will definitely be going back for more as soon as I can sell my.... anything, I'm hooked. If anyone wants to organise a perfumer's tour to Kannauj to visit Amit and tour the rose growing/distilling and bottling corner of Uttar Pradesh, count me in. Let's get a good group discount! regards, Teone http://www.teone.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 > Hi, I'm in Australia and I recently purchased quite a good amount of oils from Amit at Essential Oils Company. His Sandalwood oil is gorgeous. He was extremely generous and sent me very large quantities of free samples including Double Super Oud and substantial amounts (5 - 10mls) of Frangipani, Osmanthus, Tuberose and Champaka absolutes because I pestered him so hard about the quality/integrity of the oils. > regards, > > Teone > http://www.teone.com.au Dear Teone: I'm afraid you've been conned. Did you read this link earlier? http://www.basenotes.net/threads/219146-quot-Shiva-Exports-quot-aka-quot-Wholesa\ le-Essential-Oils-quot-Prices-too-good-to-be-true Same folks. I have been buying oils wholesale for many years, and I do not know of ONE supplier who would give free samples in the size you qoute of those very pricey aromatics. Not one. He sent you synthetically-compounded perfume oils. There is probably some natural aromatic in there, but just a tiny amount. I hope this group can help you on your aromatic quest, and that my post doesn't upset you too much. I am 100% sure of my statement about the supplier. Anya McCoy http://AnyasGarden.com http://PerfumeClasses.com http://NaturalPerfumers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 > Dear Teone: > > I'm afraid you've been conned. Did you read this link earlier? > http://www.basenotes.net/threads/219146-quot-Shiva-Exports-quot-aka-quot-Wholesa\ le-Essential-Oils-quot-Prices-too-good-to-be-true > > Same folks. I have been buying oils wholesale for many years, > and I do not know of ONE supplier who would give free samples in > the size you qoute of those very pricey aromatics. Not one. He > sent you synthetically-compounded perfume oils. There is > probably some natural aromatic in there, but just a tiny amount. > I hope this group can help you on your aromatic quest, and that > my post doesn't upset you too much. I am 100% sure of my > statement about the supplier. > > > Anya McCoy > http://AnyasGarden.com > http://PerfumeClasses.com > http://NaturalPerfumers.com > Thanks Anya, I do sincerely appreciate your expert guidance, and yes, it does seem logical enough to wonder at the veracity of these aromatic products, given their very low prices. I did read that link from Basenotes a while back, it prompted me to seek out a lot more information about downtown Farsh street in Kannauj and who's who on the family tree of business in essential oil exporting. It's hazy, but given that the primary industry over there is rose oil production and mass-scale farming and distillation of floral essential oils, I figure there's probably lots of related companies in the same area and business of trade. I also watched the company's YT video of people loading agarwood onto trucks and squatting and chipping at the agarwood and then scooping the droplets of distilled oil into a metal dish by hand, (bare hands being the best instrument available). It made me a little squeamish, but at the same time I recognised the earthly 'truth' of this extraordinary oil's journey from the truck to the bucket and yep, it's pretty grubby but it's so very real. This long journey of production feeds many people. It also made me think that I must follow my own foolish heart's instinct on this, and continue to support Amit, at least in theory, as he has been very kind to me. What ever transpires in any future transactions, con or no con, the bottom line is that I know that the relative wealth and privilege that I have in my white, western comfort zone can easily weather a few conniving knocks and bruises, and this lesson might even turn out to be a great instrument of organic learning in oil fidelity discernment for my trusty ol' nose. thanks again for your very sound advice. Teone http://www.teone.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Anya's Garden Perfumes <anya@... > wrote: > ** > > There is > probably some natural aromatic in there, but just a tiny amount. > Hi I just wanted to chime in here as well. Another person and I were conned a couple of years ago by someone who seemed extremely helpful, communicated wonderfully both in person to my friend and by email to me (I was in a different country) - and gave us a lot of personal attention. (Although interestingly this attention dried up when I mentioned that I wouldn't be able to afford to buy from them very often!!!) His oils were actually pretty expensive! But the fact that they HAD several rare oils that I'd heard hardly anyone could ever get hold of should have rang louder alarm bells than it did. Also, in a conversation with my friend this guy said a few things that sounded pretty weird to me - things about about how to use absolutes that didn't tally with anything I'd read on this email list. (Although I'd only been a member for a short time.) Anyway, to cut a long story short, we bought the oils. I was suspicious by that stage, but hoping desperately I was wrong ... and when they arrived they were just as synthetic as could be. I did run one of the oils past an experienced natural perfumer, just to confirm, and his response was , 'whhwoaaarrr!!!! yuck!' (Somewhere in my head I had still been trying to convince myself that at least the rose might be real. lol ....) This was a lesson to me that the good suppliers, sadly, aren't the only ones who give careful personal attention and 'go the extra mile' sometimes. And if anyone would like to know the name of the supplier I'm happy to share it off list. (Or onlist if that's okay, but I don't know if it is.) Best wishes Johanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 > > > Anyway, to cut a long story short, we bought the oils. I was suspicious by > that stage, but hoping desperately I was wrong ... and when they arrived > they were just as synthetic as could be. I did run one of the oils past an > experienced natural perfumer, just to confirm, and his response was , > 'whhwoaaarrr!!!! yuck!' (Somewhere in my head I had still been > trying to convince myself that at least the rose might be real. lol ....) > I meant to add to my last email, this perfumer and I then had a brief conversation about con-artists in the natural aromatics industry, and talked about the way that con-artists (in general) often are extremely nice people who you feel warm towards or good about - they're often even quite charismatic and compelling. Upsettingly, really, that's often part and parcel of being a con-artist - it's part of the job description if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 > It also made me think that I must follow my own foolish heart's instinct on this, and continue to support Amit, at least in theory, as he has been very kind to me. What ever transpires in any future transactions, con or no con, the bottom line is that I know that the relative wealth and privilege that I have in my white, western comfort zone can easily weather a few conniving knocks and bruises, and this lesson might even turn out to be a great instrument of organic learning in oil fidelity discernment for my trusty ol' nose. > > thanks again for your very sound advice. > > Teone > http://www.teone.com.au Dear Teone: You have a very long range view of things, and that is good. One thing I forgot to bring up, is that such suppliers can satisfy a need for those who have no problems using synthetic fragrance materials. Many nowadays are touting they are " mixed media " perfumers (I call it " mixed message " , :-)) and such products are fine for them. However, if one wishes to use 100% natural materials and call themselves a natural perfumer, those products are not. That's all I wanted to add. Anya McCoy http://AnyasGarden.com http://PerfumeClasses.com http://NaturalPerfumers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 > hello if its the essential oil co in the cotswolds then yes, you really need to be careful with purchasing.... you could always go for more reputable cos that the guild suggest. > > I hope that i am replying correctly. It has been a long time since i have joined in.... and im not sure if this will be shown at the bottom of the thread or not.. apologies to the lovelies who chek all this if not.... I hope to be joining in more frequently now... as my turbulent private life is slowly sorting out lol... love to all the perfumers here..... > > Janita Haan > Custom perfume natural perfume_ Hi Sweetie So nice to see you back here! You've been sorely missed. Keep posting and know that we're here for you as your life settles down xoxo Anya Anya McCoy http://AnyasGarden.com http://PerfumeClasses.com http://NaturalPerfumers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 turbulent????? lol....wish u best in life,,,turbulent or not,,,lol,,,Akbar from Bang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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