Re: Wallach Dead Doctors.... query

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I have been to 3 of his seminars here in Melbourne, Oz (as well as listened

to most of his audios and read several of his books) and found them very

informative!

I now use his liquid minerals (i've been taking various forms of plant

derived minerals for about 9 years now) and found them to be very good.

All the best, Bellanger

>From: " Filippa " <filippa91@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: Wallach " Dead Doctors.... " query

>Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:20:08 +1000

>

>I've just been invited to Wallach's seminar of " Dead Doctors Don't

>Lie " fame. Is there any consensus here on this guy? I always have

>reservations about any MLM company but I've also read some fairly scathing

>reports on quackwatch and skeptics sites. I know they're usually funded by

>the pharmaceutical companies and are often very biased but what stood out

>in what I read was that he :

>

> " Claims to have performed 20,500 animal and human autopsies while working

>as a veterinarian in St. Louis. " The retort was " Even if veterinarians and

>naturopaths were allowed to conduct human autopsies (which they are not),

>Wallach would had to have performed them at a rate of 6 per day, 5 days a

>week, for 12 years in addition to his other duties and while authoring his

>numerous (though unfindable) articles. "

>from:

>http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colloidalminerals.html

>

>Does anyone have any info/thoughts on him and his products? Am I going to

>learn anything of value going to his seminar or should I stay at home and

>enjoy my WD feast?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Filippa

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had Wallach shake his jewelry encrusted fist (and wrist) in

my face more than once, that's fer sure.

I'm not up on my mineral lore right now, but my recollection is that

the salt lake sourced trace mineral products contain too much

aluminum for regular consumption. It is also my recollection, and I'm

sorry that I cannot substantiate this right now, that it has been

discovered that mineral that is incorporated into plant tissues are

more easily assimilated by the human body than are minerals that are

in their simple " rock " state, no matter how finely 'ground' they may

be.

If you cannot get fully mineralized produce, of course, you do do

well eating soil itself. I believe Sally recommends AZOMITE, which is

a rock powder product commonly used in holistic organic agriculture.

Many of the clays, like those available through Agri-Dyanmics are

also spoken highly of.

-Allan

[Guest guest]

Filippa, i used to feel that way about MLM companies but have since come to

find some of them sell the best stuff.

Elaine

> Thanks Allan. I assume she recommends AZOMITE for organic farming and not for

> consumption right? Guess I better go eat some dirt then. ;-) Oh why does

> the world have to be so confusing when you're trying to get well! I must say

> my suspicion hairs always stand up straight when I find out a company is MLM

> (sorry if anyone here is in an MLM). They just make me want to run a mile.

[Guest guest]

I'm lost in this thread, I guess but...

1. Sally and other natural food advocates recommends eating Azomite

directly. (t is so finally 'ground' that you can assimilate a wide

range of trace minerals from it)

2. Azomite is NOT MLM or, if it is, it is most definitely avail.

outside of that system. If Azomite fails, there are other, equally

interesting, rock poweders out there (I use SUMMA)

thanks -Allan

[Guest guest]

>ps. what did you mean when you said : " I've had Wallach shake

>his jewelry encrusted fist (and wrist) in my face more than once,

>that's fer sure. " ?

I attend many ag shows. He was working those shows heavily in the

90's. I often had a table of my own, so was a sitting duck for him

when he decided to leave his own table and scare up some more

clients. He wears a lot of jewelry, which, for some salesmen, is a

guarantee of success. For me, it is the salesman to watch out for.

And why wouldn't be? -Allan

[Guest guest]

Hey Fillipa, I had the same experiemce with Nu-Skin. Used it years ago and

then found out it wasn't what it was all cracked up to be.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

Allan -

1. Sally and other natural food advocates recommends eating Azomite directly. (t

is so finely 'ground' that you can assimilate a wide range of trace minerals

from it)

===> But didn't you say " that mineral that is incorporated into plant tissues

are more easily assimilated by the human body than are minerals that are in

their simple " rock " state, no matter how finely 'ground' they may be. " ? And

isn't Azomite simply finely ground rock powder?

2. Azomite is NOT MLM or, if it is, it is most definitely avail. outside of that

system. If Azomite fails, there are other, equally interesting, rock poweders

out there (I use SUMMA)

===> Yes, I wasn't talking about Azomite being MLM but Wallach's stuff

being MLM.

Thanks Allan,

- Filippa

[Guest guest]

Elaine - " i used to feel that way about MLM companies but have since come to

find some of them sell the best stuff. "

That may be so, but the products are usually sold at a price you can only afford

if you do the business. My experience is that MLM people always focus on the

business and the product is just a sideline. They're so hyped about the business

that they rave about the products no matter how crappy they are! I think it's

also that you're always a prospect. MLM is a great way to lose friends IMO!

We've lost friends because we got tired of them only coming to see us when they

had a new product/business to sell. Anyway, that's not saying there aren't some

good products out there. We got into NuSkin years ago in Japan. One of the

things I liked (in my naivety) was that you supposedly cut out all the expensive

overheads and this allows you to produce a higher quality product. So why are

the products so expensive? OK, maybe they're higher quality but it more feels

like you're actually paying everyone's cuts up the line. It's only ever the

people who get in early that get rich - and believe me, I know people who became

millionaires with NuSkin but loads of people who didn't. Funnily, the skin/hair

care products I use now are MLM, I use them because they're certified organic

but the woman who makes them used to be with NuSkin and she left when she found

out the products weren't as genuine/great as they made out - it was all bs but

we believed it. Well I won't rant on. It's just all the hype that goes with

MLM - everyone attending these motivational seminars with all the amazing

testimonials. They have this way of staring deeply into your eyes and raving -

so you don't know if it's the person's genuine experience with a good product or

just that they've been told it's great and it's going to create passive income

for them.

I can relate to when he says the jewellery encrusted sales people put him

off!

- Filippa

[Guest guest]

>Allan -

>1. Sally and other natural food advocates recommends eating Azomite

>directly. (t is so finely 'ground' that you can assimilate a wide

>range of trace minerals from it)

>

>===> But didn't you say " that mineral that is incorporated into

>plant tissues are more easily assimilated by the human body than are

>minerals that are in their simple " rock " state, no matter how finely

>'ground' they may be. " ? And isn't Azomite simply finely ground

>rock powder?

Yes, I was saying that if you can't get the plants, you could take

the low road and eat the dirt, recommending azomite.

The difference here is that in a formula they give you everything

that they think you need but in good ol' (special!) dirt, you get

everything Mother intended for all beings to have.

that's the difference.

but, feed it to a plant first and then juice the plant, ok?

[Guest guest]

" but, feed it to a plant first and then juice the plant, ok? "

- LOL so I'm back to juicing again! It's a merry go round! Thanks for

clarifying Allan. Though I didn't realise the Colloidal and Ionic minerals were

a created formula, I thought they just took an Azomite type product and

suspended it in water. Better do my homework I guess. Might see if I can get

an Azomite type product here in Oz.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

" Hey Fillipa, I had the same experiemce with Nu-Skin. Used it years ago and then

found out it wasn't what it was all cracked up to be. " - Elainie

==>Yup, you live and learn! My sister's been on Usana for years and she's the

most unwell person I know. But I remember them raving about all the amazing

testimonials at the seminars. We gave up on NuSkin pretty quickly when we

realised that our friends and associates didn't like being considered as

business/customer prospects. NuSkin people would feed us all this stuff about

how to not take " no " for an answer etc. You know the story I'm sure. It all

sounded great at first though!

Filippa

[Guest guest]

>Though I didn't realise the Colloidal and Ionic minerals were a

>created formula, I thought they just took an Azomite type product

>and suspended it in water. Better do my homework I guess.

hmmm, yes, just check it out, don't take my word about it. All I'm

saying is that we don't really know all that much about health or

about nature so we should try to use products that have a chance of

carrying unknown substances of nutritional value. I, mean, for

heaven's sake, even vitamins themselves are a relatively new concept!

(Ok, not that new any more. ;-)

But, again, in biodynamics we try to replicate the breadth of Nature

instead of isolating the single ingredients we think are the powerful

agents in Nature's system.

-Allan

[Guest guest]

But, again, in biodynamics we try to replicate the breadth of Nature instead of

isolating the single ingredients we think are the powerful agents in Nature's

system. -Allan

---> this appeals to me more. so I'm definitely going to look for something

along the lines of the Azomite. I always end up shying away from vitamins,

just don't feel right somehow.

Filippa

[Guest guest]

Might see if I can get an Azomite type product here in Oz.

MinPlus is made in Innisfail, Nth Qld and is available for about Aus$20 for

10kg.

Chris

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