Re: Solid perfumes - vanilla problem

[Guest guest]

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> Hi everyone!

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> The other day I wanted to make solid perfume with vanilla and some citruses

and everything was good until I poured mix into jar and entire vanilla sank

down.

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Vanilla can be a rough one, that's for sure, due to what seem to be various

sugars and more solid matter that either aren't soluble in one thing while the

rest of the vanilla is, to say nothing of what appears to be density

differences....I've had the same thing happen. One trick is to let the stuff

harden to a certain extent then stir it up so its all mixed again, just not as

completely of course but close enough. This is all amateur trail and error mind

you, and I'm betting there are some classes out there which would be very

helpful if you are wanting some professional expertise with making solid

perfumes...keep me posted if you figure it out, please! M.

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi everyone!

>

> The other day I wanted to make solid perfume with vanilla and some citruses

and everything was good until I poured mix into jar and entire vanilla sank

down.

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Vanilla can be tricky like that.  I think vanilla absolute is the worst of the

vanillas for soluability in oils.  Vanilla CO2 seems to blend better into oils

in my experience, but the scent is definitely different from vanilla absolutes. 

Vanilla absolute won't likely dissolve completely, but folks here in the group

have reported pretty decent results with letting the vanilla absolute sit in the

oil for a few months, with occasional shaking, and the scent infuses well into

the oil.  Then you just filter out the undissolved parts or carefully decant the

infused oil off so you don't have solids left over in your final product.  If

you do a search in the message archives, there has been some discussion on the

process and results.

 

Best of luck,

[Guest guest]

 

Hi everyone!

The other day I wanted to make solid perfume with vanilla and some citruses and

everything was good until I poured mix into jar and entire vanilla sank down.

All my ingredients are 100% natural, no fake stuff inside.

I have no idea how to deal with this.

Thank you for your help. 

What form of vanilla are you using?  A good solution might be to make a vanilla

infusion to use as your base liquid oil.   Soak a vanilla bean in  a couple

ounces of jojoba or coconut oil(vanilla in virgin coconut oil is heavenly). 

Let sit a couple to a few weeks.  You can strain it out or just keep the bean

in the oil(that's what I do-I'm too lazy).    At first I wanted to say that

this has never happened to me, and then I realized that I've never made a solid

perfume with vanilla!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I used vanilla absolute.

[Guest guest]

 

> Vanilla can be tricky like that.  I think vanilla absolute is the worst of the

vanillas for soluability in oils.  Vanilla CO2 seems to blend better into oils

in my experience, but the scent is definitely different from vanilla absolutes. 

Vanilla absolute won't likely dissolve completely, but folks here in the group

have reported pretty decent results with letting the vanilla absolute sit in the

oil for a few months, with occasional shaking, and the scent infuses well into

the oil.  Then you just filter out the undissolved parts or carefully decant the

infused oil off so you don't have solids left over in your final product.  If

you do a search in the message archives, there has been some discussion on the

process and results.

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> Best of luck,

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I could do it like that but I always fear that I might not be able to repeat it

identically... that it will dissolve differently...

Any quality sources for Vanilla CO2?

[Guest guest]

Hi Ankica/,

Try using vanilla Co2 instead of the absolute.  I use this in my solids and I

have never had a problem with the vanilla sinking to the bottom or separating.

 I like Eden Botanicals vanilla co2, it's good and strong and you can get away

with using a little less as it has a high vanillin content.

Best,

Charna Ethier

Providence Perfume Co.

http://www.providenceperfume.com

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Charna, I will. 

There was also one more thing... 

On the bottom of the jar - the liquid was thinner. Like 3 water drops  were

captured. 

Any clue why is that? 

Ankica

bellatrixperfumes.com

[Guest guest]

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> Hi everyone!

>

> The other day I wanted to make solid perfume with vanilla and some

citruses and everything was good until I poured mix into jar and entire

vanilla sank down.

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(sorry for the double message, it went out of webmail without a subject)

I can't say that I've ever had that problem, but I work the oils into the

heated base, and keep stirring as I pour. The woman who taught me to make

solid perfumes said to put a drop of the perfume on the top of the solid

base so it has an extra push. This may help.

Alwyn L'hoir

www.BlueMoonPerfume.com

[Guest guest]

>The other day I wanted to make solid perfume with vanilla and some citruses

and everything was good until I poured mix into jar and entire vanilla sank

down.

If it is absolute, try cutting it with a little fractionated coconut oil

before mixing it into your base.

Cat

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> Hi ,

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> I used vanilla absolute._______________________________-

I have had the same experience~

It appears that vanilla absolute does not dissolve in oil You can use this

extraction in alcohol based perfumes. s idea works great as well as using

a CO2 extraction.

Ragna

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[Guest guest]

 

Hi Ankica/,

Try using vanilla Co2 instead of the absolute.  I use this in my solids and I

have never had a problem with the vanilla sinking to the bottom or separating.

 I like Eden Botanicals vanilla co2, it's good and strong and you can get away

with using a little less as it has a high vanillin content.

Best,

Charna Ethier

Providence Perfume Co.

http://www.providenceperfume.com

info@...

Hi Charna

I have that Co2 as well as the absolute.  It's nice, but it's funny, to me the

CO2 is the lighter one. Maybe it's the batch I have.   I also like that the

color is light.

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Vanilla can be tricky like that.  I think vanilla absolute is the worst of the

vanillas for soluability in oils.  Vanilla CO2 seems to blend better into oils

in my experience, but the scent is definitely different from vanilla

absolutes.  Vanilla absolute won't likely dissolve completely, but folks here

in the group have reported pretty decent results with letting the vanilla

absolute sit in the oil for a few months, with occasional shaking, and the scent

infuses well into the oil.  Then you just filter out the undissolved parts or

carefully decant the infused oil off so you don't have solids left over in your

final product.  If you do a search in the message archives, there has been some

discussion on the process and results.

 

Best of luck,

That's one of the reasons I use alcohol!   There are so many essences that

won't dissolve in oil.  True, there are some that don't dissolve(or dissolve

completely) in alcohol, but most essences do.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everybody!

I will put vanilla abs in jojoba and I will buy co2.

My biggest fear is that I won't be able to replicate perfume entirely -

all these dilutions and thick materials which I need to take out from

the bottle... every time something goes wrong... and final products

smells different although I have entire formula written...

on the bright side:I must say that I am overwhelmed by the beauty of

osmanthus. It was in my last order from aroma-zone.com and it is great.

And Ambrette from the same source... amazing!

A.

[Guest guest]

Have you tried mixing all the essential oils you are using before blending them

into the oil base? When I have solubility issues with thick aromatics I always

blend them with the other more volatile essences and let them macerate for some

time. There is much less residue afterwards. Mind you, this method doesn't work

as well with alcohol based perfume.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everybody!

I will put vanilla abs in jojoba and I will buy co2.

My biggest fear is that I won't be able to replicate perfume entirely -

all these dilutions and thick materials which I need to take out from

the bottle... every time something goes wrong... and final products

smells different although I have entire formula written...

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Hi Ankica,

 

That is a challenge that every perfumer faces, and the short answer is there is

going to be variation in your scent from batch to batch.  Sometimes an oil or

absolute will vary from batch to batch, supplier to supplier, region to region,

year to year, etc.  So anytime you buy a new aromatic, you may have to slightly

tweak your formulas to get them as close to previous batches as you can, even if

you used the exact same formulas. 

 

If you are letting the vanilla absolute sit in the carrier oil for a similar

amount of time and in the same quantities, keeping things like the temperature

you are keeping it in and how often you are shaking the bottle, it should turn

out reasonable similar in vanilla odor and strength from batch to batch.  And if

you notice a bit of difference, then you modify as needed.

 

The idea of trying to mix in a bit of fractionated coconut oil first sounds

promising, I would definitely give that a try.  Thanks Cat!

 

 

[Guest guest]

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> Have you tried mixing all the essential oils you are using before blending

them into the oil base? When I have solubility issues with thick aromatics I

always blend them with the other more volatile essences and let them macerate

for some time. There is much less residue afterwards. Mind you, this method

doesn't work as well with alcohol based perfume.

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Yes. But very soon I added jojoba.

[Guest guest]

> What form of vanilla are you using?  A good solution might be to make a

vanilla infusion to use as your base liquid oil.   Soak a vanilla bean in  a

couple ounces of jojoba or coconut oil(vanilla in virgin coconut oil is

heavenly).  Let sit a couple to a few weeks.  You can strain it out or just

keep the bean in the oil(that's what I do-I'm too lazy).    At first I wanted

to say that this has never happened to me, and then I realized that I've never

made a solid perfume with vanilla!

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, are you keeping the vanilla in a warm spot to keep it liquid while its

infusing?

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, are you keeping the vanilla in a warm spot to keep it liquid while its

infusing?I live in Miami, so yes!   I just keep it in my cupboard. I don't

know about the temperatures in your house but I would suggest a warm place if

you were going to do that now.  We had temperatures in the low 70's last

week(sort of chilly for here) and the oil solidified as virgin coconut will do,

but it is liquid again.  It's been infusing since June I believe. The scent is

rather light, I'm thinking of adding some more bean.  I wanted to make a solid

perfume with it, but I need the containers to put it in.  I want to base it on

flowers used in leis; frangipani, jasmine sambac (pikake), white ginger, and

tuberose, on a Tahitian vanilla andVanuatu sandalwood base.  I want to call it

Gettin' Lei'd!