Re: DASH and processed junk food

[Guest guest]

The

Mcs near here will cook with no salt and even wipe the drainer clean

before dumping fries in it. Their

meat and chicken breast, however, are infused with sodium.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of a Hall

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:39 PM

To: hyperaldosteronism

Subject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I

don't see anything wrong with this, he's just being realistic. Maybe

you've never eaten at a fast food place, that's fine if that's what you

want. For most of us here it's not realistic to believe that we'll

never again visit Mcs. I went their a couple of days ago and had

their Southwest Salad without the chicken, it has 150 mg of NA. And

their small fries have 160 mg of sodium. The author is not advocating

eating fast food, he says if you go, make smart choices. As for the

graham crackers and unsalted pretzels, he's giving them as examples of snacks

from the grain and nut group and says to limit them to once per day.

It's your choice whether to eat them or not.

a

Subject: Re: DASH and processed junk food

To: hyperaldosteronism

Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 3:45 PM

It's on Google Books and can be accessed here.

The part about fast food is on p. 134. I just think it's appalling that

doesn't just come out and say don't eat the stuff, ever. By saying that it's

okay to eat fast food sometimes, he has lost all credibility with me. None of

us here should ever, ever consume that toxic waste.

The part encouraging junk food as snacks is on p. 159. He lists the

junk food as 100-calorie snacks, and then some real food alternatives (nuts!

which are good for you!) as 200-calorie snacks. Given our society's

calorie-counting mindset, people will likely opt for the 100-calorie snacks

that lack any nutritional value - graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels,

popcorn, and potato chips - rather than the far more healthful nuts.

I don't have a scanner, so I can't scan my copy, but this edition is

identical. It's the 2001 mass market paperback edition.

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[Guest guest]

I don't see any processed snacks. But I have the one with the week diet plan and healthy heart receipes.

Sojourner

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 3:27:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

Very interesting. Can you scan page in and send to me or fax

I will send to Dr. .

Can others look at their DASH 14 day trial chap and see if this is in theirs? Maybe the food industry slipped in some pages in one of the versions. Was it the paper back or hardback.

Latter our of print but can buy used at Amazon sometimes less than new paperback. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

Oh please! I didn't misread - don't insult my intelligence. Master's degree in library science here :)I think I must have an old edition of the book from back in the days where low-fat and fat-free junk food was being heavily pushed. I picked it up in a thrift store for a couple bucks because I figured that any edition would be a good start, but perhaps it has changed a bit. > > > > > > > > >>

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[Guest guest]

Good to know they will cook with no salt, I never thought about asking. Their fruit and yogurt parfait is yummy and has less than 100 mg NA.

a

Subject: Re: DASH and processed junk foodTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 3:45 PM

It's on Google Books and can be accessed here. The part about fast food is on p. 134. I just think it's appalling that doesn't just come out and say don't eat the stuff, ever. By saying that it's okay to eat fast food sometimes, he has lost all credibility with me. None of us here should ever, ever consume that toxic waste.The part encouraging junk food as snacks is on p. 159. He lists the junk food as 100-calorie snacks, and then some real food alternatives (nuts! which are good for you!) as 200-calorie snacks. Given our society's calorie-counting mindset, people will likely opt for

the 100-calorie snacks that lack any nutritional value - graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, popcorn, and potato chips - rather than the far more healthful nuts.I don't have a scanner, so I can't scan my copy, but this edition is identical. It's the 2001 mass market paperback edition.> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin

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I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. To those that have no problem with this, you might think I'm an idiot. But I prefer to experience life and that involves travel and eating out and going to the pub. I can make wiser choices when I do these things but I won't give them up. What's that joke about the man who goes to his dr and is told to give up smoking, drinking, bad women and bad food and then he could live to 100. And the patient responds, but who'd want to live then!? That's me. I had the l-adrenalectomy and went completely off all bp meds in six months. I am currently having fluctuating bp which might be third related. I saw a new endo this week to make sure my pituitary adenoma or past PA might be causingy problems. I got the patronizing you must have anxiety treatment. I've never heard of anxiety causing 90/55 BP or anxiety while completely calm reading a book but then I'm just a patient. She did not order any bloodwork Nd offered menmetformin. I have a fasting blood sugar of 89 which she never bothered checking. But all people that need to lose weight are automatically diabetic! ? Anyhow I asked if she could order PA labs and urine studies before she made up her mind about me. She said but your renin was fine on your labs you brought in... From 2006! I could go on but you all have been there. Off to search for a new dr. And yes to occasionally have a Guinness and pub curry.

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

[Guest guest]

I don't think you mentioned the ADX. WHAT Did the path report read. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. To those that have no problem with this, you might think I'm an idiot. But I prefer to experience life and that involves travel and eating out and going to the pub. I can make wiser choices when I do these things but I won't give them up. What's that joke about the man who goes to his dr and is told to give up smoking, drinking, bad women and bad food and then he could live to 100. And the patient responds, but who'd want to live then!? That's me. I had the l-adrenalectomy and went completely off all bp meds in six months. I am currently having fluctuating bp which might be third related. I saw a new endo this week to make sure my pituitary adenoma or past PA might be causingy problems. I got the patronizing you must have anxiety treatment. I've never heard of anxiety causing 90/55 BP or anxiety while completely calm reading a book but

then I'm just a patient. She did not order any bloodwork Nd offered menmetformin. I have a fasting blood sugar of 89 which she never bothered checking. But all people that need to lose weight are automatically diabetic! ? Anyhow I asked if she could order PA labs and urine studies before she made up her mind about me. She said but your renin was fine on your labs you brought in... From 2006! I could go on but you all have been there. Off to search for a new dr. And yes to occasionally have a Guinness and pub curry.

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

[Guest guest]

I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now. Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise regularly.I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches, bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either. -msmith192845,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day,

singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet>> I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

It is always your choice. The data is clear tho. The higher the BP sHorter the time you spend here. Not only that you spend more of that life with heart disease, most of which lowers your quality of life. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. To those that have no problem with this, you might think I'm an idiot. But I prefer to experience life and that involves travel and eating out and going to the pub. I can make wiser choices when I do these things but I won't give them up. What's that joke about the man who goes to his dr and is told to give up smoking, drinking, bad women and bad food and then he could live to 100. And the patient responds, but who'd want to live then!? That's me. I had the l-adrenalectomy and went completely off all bp meds in six months. I am currently having fluctuating bp which might be third related. I saw a new endo this week to make sure my pituitary adenoma or past PA might be causingy problems. I got the patronizing you must have anxiety treatment. I've never heard of anxiety causing 90/55 BP or anxiety while completely calm reading a book but

then I'm just a patient. She did not order any bloodwork Nd offered menmetformin. I have a fasting blood sugar of 89 which she never bothered checking. But all people that need to lose weight are automatically diabetic! ? Anyhow I asked if she could order PA labs and urine studies before she made up her mind about me. She said but your renin was fine on your labs you brought in... From 2006! I could go on but you all have been there. Off to search for a new dr. And yes to occasionally have a Guinness and pub curry.

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

[Guest guest]

There is nothing that says you can't have Japanese food. Just cook it low salt way. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now. Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise regularly.I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches, bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either. -msmith192845,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day,

singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet>> I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

I have some yummy Indian recipes. I'll type them out if u like? Ionia what u mean. I couldn't live without Asian foods!! Cept I have to make them myself now. I substitute chick peas for meat a lot. I make enough for 8 ppl so I can have leftovers on the days my RA wins.

I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now. Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise regularly.I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches, bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either. -msmith192845,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day,

singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet>> I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

I definitely see your point. Plus I know I feel best when I eat smart. Still with the cancer and auto immune issues everyday can be a struggle . So I find some living in once a month going to a restraint I've never been to or going to a pub and having junk food pub food and a few Guinness. I'll feel like crap the next day anyway haha. A monk once saidModeration in everything including moderation. I read that in high school and have lived by it. And I've had a lot of fun in my life. At least I can look back on it and say I lived. The thought of a long life w cancer pain and RA pain scares the heck out of me!!

It is always your choice. The data is clear tho. The higher the BP sHorter the time you spend here. Not only that you spend more of that life with heart disease, most of which lowers your quality of life. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. To those that have no problem with this, you might think I'm an idiot. But I prefer to experience life and that involves travel and eating out and going to the pub. I can make wiser choices when I do these things but I won't give them up. What's that joke about the man who goes to his dr and is told to give up smoking, drinking, bad women and bad food and then he could live to 100. And the patient responds, but who'd want to live then!? That's me. I had the l-adrenalectomy and went completely off all bp meds in six months. I am currently having fluctuating bp which might be third related. I saw a new endo this week to make sure my pituitary adenoma or past PA might be causingy problems. I got the patronizing you must have anxiety treatment. I've never heard of anxiety causing 90/55 BP or anxiety while completely calm reading a book but

then I'm just a patient. She did not order any bloodwork Nd offered menmetformin. I have a fasting blood sugar of 89 which she never bothered checking. But all people that need to lose weight are automatically diabetic! ? Anyhow I asked if she could order PA labs and urine studies before she made up her mind about me. She said but your renin was fine on your labs you brought in... From 2006! I could go on but you all have been there. Off to search for a new dr. And yes to occasionally have a Guinness and pub curry.

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

[Guest guest]

I think I know what you are going through. I kept wondering why I got sick when I drank moderator and never smoked yet my sister used drugs and drank and smokes yet dhe has great health. Can't even blame DNA??

I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now. Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise regularly.I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches, bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either. -msmith192845,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day,

singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet>> I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that would be great if you could post an Indian recipe or two! I'm sure

others here would appreciate it too.

I've been working more chickpeas into my diet after reading they are high in K.

They don't seem to make my blood sugar tank the way other carbs do

-msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone

28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused

gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg,

norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when

needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the address for me to review, it gives me a headstart and if it is

all I need it saves me $8 for the fresh fruit and produce aisle!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain.

Other Issues/Opportunities: COPD w/ft Oxygen, OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, Type

II Diab. and PTSD

Currently on Spiro. 50 MG and titrating last 2 BP meds preparing for

adrenalectomy, maybe. Current BP ave. 112/60.

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> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking

> spiro

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium

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I'll post them next week! I have few that I like. I agree about chick peas I can tolerate them very well. I'll like the project

Thanks, that would be great if you could post an Indian recipe or two! I'm sure others here would appreciate it too.

I've been working more chickpeas into my diet after reading they are high in K. They don't seem to make my blood sugar tank the way other carbs do

-msmith1928

45, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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[Guest guest]

Even low-sodium soy sauce is too high:

http://www.san-j.com/product_info.asp?id=4

And good luck finding low-sodium miso (lowest I've seen is 1000mg/tbsp).

I know I'll feel OK if I keep my Na to 1200mg or less. Which means not adding

anything containing Na to my food, until I get this thing resolved. Soon, soon

- msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone

28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused

gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg,

norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when

needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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a, your post prompted a couple of stories.

We have two Granddaughters ages 5 and 6. One of their favorite things to do is

for Granma and me to take them to Micky D's. It really doesn't matter what they

order because most of the time we carry it home because they can't wait to get

on the indoor playground. They run, jump, climb and have a great time. I

usually have to get them off after an hour or more. They are well exersized and

usually asleep before we get them home!

My other story: After I retired from my 30 year career in computers I took a

job driving a Tour Bus. I had a great experience touring all over the East

coast. I certainly saw a lot of thr country!

We did a lot of student tours and many times we had 3 or 4 (I remember one time

7) busses with up to 56 people on each bus. Where do you go if you want to feed

100 - 300 kids in less than an hour? You got it, fast food. All the Macs

and Burger Kings would comp the drivers meal! (One local MickyD even gave the

driver a $10 gift certificate booklet which I gave to my daughter who was in

college at the time. She had so many she treated her friends!)

Many times I didn't even go in unless it was to get a coffee and the coupons for

my daughter!(Of course on a 5 -7 day trip you have to eat some times!) The main

exception was if a child stayed on the bus because he had exhausted all his

funds! I'd find out what he wanted and use my comp for him!

The other times when we had an adult tour all the restruants would be trying to

impress everyone so they would come back on their own. I would end up with a

full breakfast and two " main " meals every day! One fall I was out 38 days

straight and I thought I did well to only gain 15 lbs.! Oh yes, one tour

company, the largest in the world with tours in all 7 contenents, took all their

breaks at Macs - why, because they guarantee to always have clean

restrooms and we were never disappointed on my shifts. You don't see many

skinny tour bus drivers!

Couldn't help but share - memories!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain.

Other Issues/Opportunities: COPD w/ft Oxygen, OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, Type

II Diab. and PTSD

Currently on Spiro. 50 MG and titrating last 2 BP meds preparing for

adrenalectomy, maybe. Current BP ave. 112/60.

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Over hear this is attributed to Mark TwAinTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I definitely see your point. Plus I know I feel best when I eat smart. Still with the cancer and auto immune issues everyday can be a struggle . So I find some living in once a month going to a restraint I've never been to or going to a pub and having junk food pub food and a few Guinness. I'll feel like crap the next day anyway haha. A monk once saidModeration in everything including moderation. I read that in high school and have lived by it. And I've had a lot of fun in my life. At least I can look back on it and say I lived. The thought of a long life w cancer pain and RA pain scares the heck out of me!!

It is always your choice. The data is clear tho. The higher the BP sHorter the time you spend here. Not only that you spend more of that life with heart disease, most of which lowers your quality of life. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. To those that have no problem with this, you might think I'm an idiot. But I prefer to experience life and that involves travel and eating out and going to the pub. I can make wiser choices when I do these things but I won't give them up. What's that joke about the man who goes to his dr and is told to give up smoking, drinking, bad women and bad food and then he could live to 100. And the patient responds, but who'd want to live then!? That's me. I had the l-adrenalectomy and went completely off all bp meds in six months. I am currently having fluctuating bp which might be third related. I saw a new endo this week to make sure my pituitary adenoma or past PA might be causingy problems. I got the patronizing you must have anxiety treatment. I've never heard of anxiety causing 90/55 BP or anxiety while completely calm reading a book

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then I'm just a patient. She did not order any bloodwork Nd offered menmetformin. I have a fasting blood sugar of 89 which she never bothered checking. But all people that need to lose weight are automatically diabetic! ? Anyhow I asked if she could order PA labs and urine studies before she made up her mind about me. She said but your renin was fine on your labs you brought in... From 2006! I could go on but you all have been there. Off to search for a new dr. And yes to occasionally have a Guinness and pub curry.

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

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I have an Indian cook book with salt content so can be made low NA will send later today Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I'll post them next week! I have few that I like. I agree about chick peas I can tolerate them very well. I'll like the project

Thanks, that would be great if you could post an Indian recipe or two! I'm sure others here would appreciate it too.

I've been working more chickpeas into my diet after reading they are high in K. They don't seem to make my blood sugar tank the way other carbs do

-msmith1928

45, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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Just dont use much of it.CE Grim MDEven low-sodium soy sauce is too high: http://www.san-j.com/product_info.asp?id=4And good luck finding low-sodium miso (lowest I've seen is 1000mg/tbsp).I know I'll feel OK if I keep my Na to 1200mg or less. Which means not adding anything containing Na to my food, until I get this thing resolved. Soon, soon - msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet> > >> > > I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living. > >>

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Great note on the Bus Drivers.Classic study of Bus Drivers (public) and HTN done in San Fran. High rate of HTN which the investigators suggested was due to the job stress. Terrible job nut excellent pay; called the golden chair. Could find no association of BP with stress. Did not do 24 hr urine Na of course as they were psychologists doing the study.CE Grim MD a, your post prompted a couple of stories.We have two Granddaughters ages 5 and 6. One of their favorite things to do is for Granma and me to take them to Micky D's. It really doesn't matter what they order because most of the time we carry it home because they can't wait to get on the indoor playground. They run, jump, climb and have a great time. I usually have to get them off after an hour or more. They are well exersized and usually asleep before we get them home!My other story: After I retired from my 30 year career in computers I took a job driving a Tour Bus. I had a great experience touring all over the East coast. I certainly saw a lot of thr country!We did a lot of student tours and many times we had 3 or 4 (I remember one time 7) busses with up to 56 people on each bus. Where do you go if you want to feed 100 - 300 kids in less than an hour? You got it, fast food. All the Macs and Burger Kings would comp the drivers meal! (One local MickyD even gave the driver a $10 gift certificate booklet which I gave to my daughter who was in college at the time. She had so many she treated her friends!)Many times I didn't even go in unless it was to get a coffee and the coupons for my daughter!(Of course on a 5 -7 day trip you have to eat some times!) The main exception was if a child stayed on the bus because he had exhausted all his funds! I'd find out what he wanted and use my comp for him!The other times when we had an adult tour all the restruants would be trying to impress everyone so they would come back on their own. I would end up with a full breakfast and two "main" meals every day! One fall I was out 38 days straight and I thought I did well to only gain 15 lbs.! Oh yes, one tour company, the largest in the world with tours in all 7 contenents, took all their breaks at Macs - why, because they guarantee to always have clean restrooms and we were never disappointed on my shifts. You don't see many skinny tour bus drivers!Couldn't help but share - memories! - 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank & testicle pain.Other Issues/Opportunities: COPD w/ft Oxygen, OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, Type II Diab. and PTSDCurrently on Spiro. 50 MG and titrating last 2 BP meds preparing for adrenalectomy, maybe. Current BP ave. 112/60.> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > >> > > > >

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MS -

Life isn't fair. I have said this same thing a million times in the

past year. Don't smoke, drink or do drugs and I have to go through

this but drug addicts live forever with no issues. Same goes for

people who can't have children but the crack heads have 10. Isn't

fair but we have to deal with it. My new saying is "It is what it

is." It sucks but it is true. Hang in there.

Kellie

I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now.

Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in

the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely

drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise

regularly.

I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want

is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl

of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But

when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches,

bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either.

-msmith1928

45,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine

aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not

taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no

HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair

10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when

needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium,

fructose- and grain-free diet

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> I think each of us has to define what living is. For

me eating bland food and every meal made at home ...

Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

Who ever told you life was fair lied.CE Grim MDMS - Life isn't fair. I have said this same thing a million times in the past year. Don't smoke, drink or do drugs and I have to go through this but drug addicts live forever with no issues. Same goes for people who can't have children but the crack heads have 10. Isn't fair but we have to deal with it. My new saying is "It is what it is." It sucks but it is true. Hang in there.Kellie I agree, and I'm really struggling with that right now. Not to mention the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor in the first place, even though I've never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten healthfully all of my life, and exercise regularly.I don't even want to eat junk food or drink - all I want is to be able to have a plate of Japanese food or a bowl of curry or some falafel and hummus once in a while. But when I do, I pay for it for days afterward with headaches, bloating, and palpitations. That isn't living, either. -msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone 28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet>> I think each of us has to define what living is. For me eating bland food and every meal made at home ... Forever .. Isn't living.

[Guest guest]

        I grew up thinking this however now I know the truth!  :-(

 

Who ever told you life was fair lied.

CE Grim MD

MS - 

Life isn't fair. I have said this same

thing a million times in the past year.

Don't smoke,  drink or do drugs and I have

to go through this but drug addicts live

forever with no issues. Same goes for

people who can't have children but the

crack heads have 10. Isn't fair but we

have to deal with it. My new saying is "It

is what it is."  It sucks but it is true.

Hang in there.

Kellie

 

I agree, and I'm really struggling

with that right now. Not to mention

the fact that I got this *%$!!@ tumor

in the first place, even though I've

never smoked, rarely drink, have eaten

healthfully all of my life, and

exercise regularly.

I don't even want to eat junk food or

drink - all I want is to be able to

have a plate of Japanese food or a

bowl of curry or some falafel and

hummus once in a while. But when I do,

I pay for it for days afterward with

headaches, bloating, and palpitations.

That isn't living, either. 

-msmith1928

45,

female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left

adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone

28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9

(when not taking supplements); 25mg

spiro caused gynecomastia; no HTN

meds; current meds are 20MEQ K

2x/day, singulair 10mg,

norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine

5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine

180mg when needed; low sodium,

fructose- and grain-free diet

>

> I think each of us has to define

what living is. For me eating bland

food and every meal made at home ...

Forever .. Isn't living. 

[Guest guest]

I grew up knowing otherwise, but somehow I thought the one thing I could control

was my health. I was wrong.

I still think it's important to make wise choices re: lifestyle and eating - I'm

not, for instance, going to eat at Mc's just because they have a

low-sodium offering or two

And I'm pretty certain that as far as PA goes, I've got it easy compared to a

lot of folks here. Except for when I get salt-bombed by eating the wrong thing,

I'm really only sick " on paper " most of the time - rarely do I actually feel

unwell. So, I must be doing something right

-msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, supine aldosterone

28.5/renin 0.2, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused

gynecomastia; no HTN meds; current meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg,

norethindrone .35mg, cyclobenzaprine 5-10mg when needed, fexofenadine 180mg when

needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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It is what it is - so true. My husband also struggles with making the right

food choices and it's a real bummer sometimes but here's another thing to

remember: things could be worse. This is a disease that can be treated

effectively with the right meds and salt restricting diet. There are so many

diseases that have no cure and cause unending pain and suffering. We are lucky,

actually.

My husband and I gained a lot of perspective about life in general three years

ago when our son was diagnosed with life threatening bone marrow failure and

needed a bone marrow transplant to survive. He is alive and well today and that

chapter of our lives is behind us. Dealing with PA is gravy compared to all

that.

Perspective is everything, I believe.

Husband, 43, finally diagnosed with PA (very low renin, high aldosterone and

ARR, very low K for years) after 5 years on 6 different BP meds and K

replacement in October 2010.

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