Re: DASH and processed junk food

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In the " Fourteen Days on the Dash Diet " chapter (I've got the mass-market

paperback, 2001 edition) recommended foods include bagels, muffins, pancakes,

and snacks like graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, and potato chips.

These are all processed junk foods, and nothing can convince me that they belong

in a healthy eating plan. Unfortunately, I suspect they are where much of the K

comes from, since flour has to be " enriched " with vitamins by law.

It would be great if someone would revamp this book for the health-conscious

among us, who do not eat processed foods. The science behind the diet seems

sound, but it's aimed at an audience that probably is eating really poorly to

begin with and for whom just about anything would be an improvement. I mean, the

" Dash in Action " chapter actually advocates eating fast food occasionally!

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Not sure which book you have but I can't find any mention of potato chips, pretzels, graham crackers or vanilla wafers for snacks in the edition I have. I can't find any junk food in my book. Examples of the snacks listed in my book are: banana, yogurt, pear, cottage cheese, peach, light string cheese, strawberries, almonds, plum, tangerine, low NA tomato bisque, gelatin, nectarine, kiwi, raw bell peppers, unsalted peanuts, etc.

Subject: Re: DASH and processed junk foodTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 1:51 AM

In the "Fourteen Days on the Dash Diet" chapter (I've got the mass-market paperback, 2001 edition) recommended foods include bagels, muffins, pancakes, and snacks like graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, and potato chips.These are all processed junk foods, and nothing can convince me that they belong in a healthy eating plan. Unfortunately, I suspect they are where much of the K comes from, since flour has to be "enriched" with vitamins by law.It would be great if someone would revamp this book for the health-conscious among us, who do not eat processed foods. The science behind the diet seems sound, but it's aimed at an audience that probably is eating really poorly to begin with and for whom just about anything would be an improvement. I mean, the "Dash in Action" chapter actually advocates eating fast food occasionally!> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >

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I went to the library and rented a copy of DASH. The 14 days had a set menu to

follow to truly take the 14 day challenge. The diet was extremely healthy

almost to the point of being overkill. I didn't see any potato chips in the

diet. The DASH plan stresses whole grains. So bagels could be whole

grain/whole wheat I guess.

What I find on DASH, is that if I follow the guidelines it is very hard to eat

unhealthy. You should hit 4-5 vegetables and 4-5 fruits per day. It is also

recommended to eat less than 300mg of cholesterol and less than 1% of calories

from trans fat.

I reread the book and did not see any mention of potato chips, or any white

bread bakery products. In fact, it specifically mentions to avoid bakery

products and simple carbs. Whole grain should make up 6-8 servings for fiber

and carb needs.

I try to hit a target of 45-75g of carbs per meal. I do this to balance my

meals. It helps me to avoid overeating and avoid bad carbs. I realized that

when I would overeat, my carb totals would be triple digits easy. Limiting the

carb intake helps me to balance what I eat. It would be impossible for me to

hit the veg/fruit/dairy requirements, stay under 75g of carbs per meal, and

start adding things like white bagels, potato chips, etc.

Good luck on starting DASH. It really works for me and I notice at least a 15

point difference on my blood pressure numbers when I don't follow DASH. That is

before I started Spiro and now after I take 25mg of Spiro per day. The key to

followig the plan in my opinion, is planning the intake of 5 veg and 5 fruit per

day. I generally have tupperware containers ready with green pepper snacks, cut

appples, cauliflower, etc. If you plan the days menu around the 10 servings of

fruits and veg, the rest falls into place. 10 servings of fruit and veg are a

lot and will fill you up quite a bit where you might not even have room for

potato chips.

34y old male. Diagnosed 04/2011. 25mg Spiro - Controlled BP avg 115/73.

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Mine is a 2001 mass-market paperback edition. Yours sounds like it's been

updated. Personally I have no problem navigating past the junk food in mine -

basically if I wouldn't have eaten it before I was diagnosed, there's no reason

to start eating it now - but I was somewhat surprised to see so many

non-essential, high-calorie foods recommended.

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to my

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In the "Fourteen Days on the Dash Diet" chapter (I've got the mass-market paperback, 2001 edition) recommended foods include bagels, muffins, pancakes, and snacks like graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, and potato chips.but keeping track of what you are consuming i would guess.These are all processed junk foods, and nothing can convince me that they belong in a healthy eating plan. Unfortunately, I suspect they are where much of the K comes from, since flour has to be "enriched" with vitamins by law.BTW Potassium (K) is not a vitamin it is an element.It would be great if someone would revamp this book for the health-conscious among us, who do not eat processed foods. The science behind the diet seems sound, but it's aimed at an audience that probably is eating really poorly to begin with and for whom just about anything would be an improvement. I mean, the "Dash in Action" chapter actually advocates eating fast food occasionally!It is aimed at real life. Have had a number here who did the 14 day trial with excellent falls in BP as did the people in the study.Agree it will be even better if you cooked everything from raw but most wont do that at first till convinced by the 14 day trial.CE Grim MD> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I don't take it, > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking the > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro again, due to my > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. Why can't I > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium supplement?> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >>

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Ah suggest she miss read and they say to avoid these. But don't have my book with me on the road.CENot sure which book you have but I can't find any mention of potato chips, pretzels, graham crackers or vanilla wafers for snacks in the edition I have. I can't find any junk food in my book. Examples of the snacks listed in my book are: banana, yogurt, pear, cottage cheese, peach, light string cheese, strawberries, almonds, plum, tangerine, low NA tomato bisque, gelatin, nectarine, kiwi, raw bell peppers, unsalted peanuts, etc. Subject: Re: DASH and processed junk foodTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 1:51 AMIn the "Fourteen Days on the Dash Diet" chapter (I've got the mass-market paperback, 2001 edition) recommended foods include bagels, muffins, pancakes, and snacks like graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, and potato chips.These are all processed junk foods, and nothing can convince me that they belong in a healthy eating plan. Unfortunately, I suspect they are where much of the K comes from, since flour has to be "enriched" with vitamins by law.It would be great if someone would revamp this book for the health-conscious among us, who do not eat processed foods. The science behind the diet seems sound, but it's aimed at an audience that probably is eating really poorly to begin with and for whom just about anything would be an improvement. I mean, the "Dash in Action" chapter actually advocates eating fast food occasionally!> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I don't take it, > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking the > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro again, due to my > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. Why can't I > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium supplement?> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >>------------------------------------

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Thanks for the feed back . And the careful reading. Keep up the good work!What I would like to see is a shopping guide for each recipe in the book if you are cooking for only 1 or 2.When working at a VA clinic recently I was impressed that at least 50% of the Vets were doing their own cooking. CE.I went to the library and rented a copy of DASH. The 14 days had a set menu to follow to truly take the 14 day challenge. The diet was extremely healthy almost to the point of being overkill. I didn't see any potato chips in the diet. The DASH plan stresses whole grains. So bagels could be whole grain/whole wheat I guess. What I find on DASH, is that if I follow the guidelines it is very hard to eat unhealthy. You should hit 4-5 vegetables and 4-5 fruits per day. It is also recommended to eat less than 300mg of cholesterol and less than 1% of calories from trans fat. I reread the book and did not see any mention of potato chips, or any white bread bakery products. In fact, it specifically mentions to avoid bakery products and simple carbs. Whole grain should make up 6-8 servings for fiber and carb needs.I try to hit a target of 45-75g of carbs per meal. I do this to balance my meals. It helps me to avoid overeating and avoid bad carbs. I realized that when I would overeat, my carb totals would be triple digits easy. Limiting the carb intake helps me to balance what I eat. It would be impossible for me to hit the veg/fruit/dairy requirements, stay under 75g of carbs per meal, and start adding things like white bagels, potato chips, etc.Good luck on starting DASH. It really works for me and I notice at least a 15 point difference on my blood pressure numbers when I don't follow DASH. That is before I started Spiro and now after I take 25mg of Spiro per day. The key to followig the plan in my opinion, is planning the intake of 5 veg and 5 fruit per day. I generally have tupperware containers ready with green pepper snacks, cut appples, cauliflower, etc. If you plan the days menu around the 10 servings of fruits and veg, the rest falls into place. 10 servings of fruit and veg are a lot and will fill you up quite a bit where you might not even have room for potato chips.34y old male. Diagnosed 04/2011. 25mg Spiro - Controlled BP avg 115/73. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I don't take it, > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking the > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro again, due to my > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. Why can't I > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium supplement?> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >>

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Oh please! I didn't misread - don't insult my intelligence. Master's degree in

library science here

I think I must have an old edition of the book from back in the days where

low-fat and fat-free junk food was being heavily pushed. I picked it up in a

thrift store for a couple bucks because I figured that any edition would be a

good start, but perhaps it has changed a bit.

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I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having to

eat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.

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Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

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The point I'm trying to make, though, is that when you get sick, you have to

change these bad habits. Otherwise it's just being in denial.

Since my dx I've lived on bland, boring food like grilled chicken breast and

salads. While I didn't grow up on fast food (and wouldn't eat it if I was paid

to!), I did grow up on flavorful, interesting ethnic food like Japanese and

Indian and Thai. What makes all the food I truly love interesting and flavorful?

Sodium, mainly.

I've had to give it all up because I refuse to take a pill that will cause

intolerable side effects. It's not easy, but for me now, this is " real life. "

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Agreed. It is the salt i like to. All my favorite Chinese food places are pretty much off limits now. I miss salt in my cooking already, but I am seasoning the heck of things with garlic and all kinds of things to spice up some flavor. So far, I dont mind it. I have not purchased any "NoSalt" yet to try. Not sure that it tastes that good as an option, but it might help with getting more potassium

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that when you get sick, you have to change these bad habits. Otherwise it's just being in denial.Since my dx I've lived on bland, boring food like grilled chicken breast and salads. While I didn't grow up on fast food (and wouldn't eat it if I was paid to!), I did grow up on flavorful, interesting ethnic food like Japanese and Indian and Thai. What makes all the food I truly love interesting and flavorful? Sodium, mainly.I've had to give it all up because I refuse to take a pill that will cause intolerable side effects. It's not easy, but for me now, this is "real life."> >>

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Get a small box first as some don't like taste. May also want to track how many times a night to get up and pee. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Agreed. It is the salt i like to. All my favorite Chinese food places are pretty much off limits now. I miss salt in my cooking already, but I am seasoning the heck of things with garlic and all kinds of things to spice up some flavor. So far, I dont mind it. I have not purchased any "NoSalt" yet to try. Not sure that it tastes that good as an option, but it might help with getting more potassium

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 1:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that when you get sick, you have to change these bad habits. Otherwise it's just being in denial.Since my dx I've lived on bland, boring food like grilled chicken breast and salads. While I didn't grow up on fast food (and wouldn't eat it if I was paid to!), I did grow up on flavorful, interesting ethnic food like Japanese and Indian and Thai. What makes all the food I truly love interesting and flavorful? Sodium, mainly.I've had to give it all up because I refuse to take a pill that will cause intolerable side effects. It's not easy, but for me now, this is "real life."> >>

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You may want to check out the AHA LOW SODIUM cook book or the one by Beard he developed after he got HTN and CHF. But that is closing the barn door etc. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that when you get sick, you have to change these bad habits. Otherwise it's just being in denial.

Since my dx I've lived on bland, boring food like grilled chicken breast and salads. While I didn't grow up on fast food (and wouldn't eat it if I was paid to!), I did grow up on flavorful, interesting ethnic food like Japanese and Indian and Thai. What makes all the food I truly love interesting and flavorful? Sodium, mainly.

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The pub owners know if they give u more salt you will drink more. $$Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Well...if fast food wouldnt kill me I would eat it all the time...cause I love the taste. It is "real life" for alot of people. Not just fast food, but eating out just about anywhere. You are the exception to the rule. Most people I know eat out ALOT. How many order pizza, have chinese, go the some fancier restaruant that is loaded with salt and other nasties? Answer - Most people I know. Nothing at a pub is DASH kosher.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

I've gotten through almost 46 years of real life without ever having toeat in a fast food restaurant! It's not that hard. Really.> It is aimed at real life.

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Very interesting. Can you scan page in and send to me or fax I will send to Dr. . Can others look at their DASH 14 day trial chap and see if this is in theirs? Maybe the food industry slipped in some pages in one of the versions. Was it the paper back or hardback.Latter our of print but can buy used at Amazon sometimes less than new paperback. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Oh please! I didn't misread - don't insult my intelligence. Master's degree in library science here

I think I must have an old edition of the book from back in the days where low-fat and fat-free junk food was being heavily pushed. I picked it up in a thrift store for a couple bucks because I figured that any edition would be a good start, but perhaps it has changed a bit.

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It's on Google Books and can be accessed here. The part about fast food is on p. 134. I just think it's appalling that doesn't just come out and say don't eat the stuff, ever. By saying that it's okay to eat fast food sometimes, he has lost all credibility with me. None of us here should ever, ever consume that toxic waste.The part encouraging junk food as snacks is on p. 159. He lists the junk food as 100-calorie snacks, and then some real food alternatives (nuts! which are good for you!) as 200-calorie snacks. Given our society's calorie-counting mindset, people will likely opt for the 100-calorie snacks that lack any nutritional value - graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, popcorn, and potato chips - rather than the far more healthful nuts.I don't have a scanner, so I can't scan my copy, but this edition is identical. It's the 2001 mass market paperback edition.> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

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Will check it out when I get home this weekend. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

It's on Google Books and can be accessed here. The part about fast food is on p. 134. I just think it's appalling that doesn't just come out and say don't eat the stuff, ever. By saying that it's okay to eat fast food sometimes, he has lost all credibility with me. None of us here should ever, ever consume that toxic waste.The part encouraging junk food as snacks is on p. 159. He lists the junk food as 100-calorie snacks, and then some real food alternatives (nuts! which are good for you!) as 200-calorie snacks. Given our society's calorie-counting mindset, people will likely opt for the 100-calorie snacks that lack any nutritional value - graham crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, popcorn, and potato chips -

rather than the far more healthful nuts.I don't have a scanner, so I can't scan my copy, but this edition is identical. It's the 2001 mass market paperback edition.> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > >

>> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

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I for one am glad you can " read with comprehension " ! If I had your edition I

would probably think " there is a God after all " and had a bagel for breakfast

and chips for the ball game! (I've actually gotten over the chip binges and can

walk right by an open bag but back in the day I would have taken it as a

personal challenge to " kill the whole bag " !) Each little tidbit of information

helps me get closer to reducing that BMI (which needs to be cut a little more

than in half as I recall!)

I know, " Get the book " and I probably will but right now I am going to act on

another hint and head to the library.

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain.

Other Issues/Opportunities: COPD w/ft Oxygen, OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, Type

II Diab. and PTSD

Currently on Spiro. 50 MG and titrating last 2 BP meds preparing for

adrenalectomy, maybe. Current BP ave. 112/60.

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, you can read much of the edition that I have online, for free, here. But as with anything, you have to use critical thinking - and not wishful thinking! - when implementing the information contained within > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

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I don't see anything wrong with this, he's just being realistic. Maybe you've never eaten at a fast food place, that's fine if that's what you want. For most of us here it's not realistic to believe that we'll never again visit Mcs. I went their a couple of days ago and had their Southwest Salad without the chicken, it has 150 mg of NA. And their small fries have 160 mg of sodium. The author is not advocating eating fast food, he says if you go, make smart choices. As for the graham crackers and unsalted pretzels, he's giving them as examples of snacks from the grain and nut group and says to limit them to once per day. It's your choice whether to eat them or not.

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Subject: Re: DASH and processed junk foodTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 3:45 PM

It's on Google Books and can be accessed here. The part about fast food is on p. 134. I just think it's appalling that doesn't just come out and say don't eat the stuff, ever. By saying that it's okay to eat fast food sometimes, he has lost all credibility with me. None of us here should ever, ever consume that toxic waste.The part encouraging junk food as snacks is on p. 159. He lists the junk food as 100-calorie snacks, and then some real food alternatives (nuts! which are good for you!) as 200-calorie snacks. Given our society's calorie-counting mindset, people will likely opt for the 100-calorie snacks that lack any nutritional value - graham

crackers, vanilla wafers, pretzels, popcorn, and potato chips - rather than the far more healthful nuts.I don't have a scanner, so I can't scan my copy, but this edition is identical. It's the 2001 mass market paperback edition.> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > >

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In my paperback i just bought there is nothing in the 14 day part...but on page 134 they talk about how even some fast food places have items that are not off limits...yet they then proceed to list out how horrible the items are at various places.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 2:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

Very interesting. Can you scan page in and send to me or fax

I will send to Dr. .

Can others look at their DASH 14 day trial chap and see if this is in theirs? Maybe the food industry slipped in some pages in one of the versions. Was it the paper back or hardback.

Latter our of print but can buy used at Amazon sometimes less than new paperback. Tiped sad Send form mi

iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

Oh please! I didn't misread - don't insult my intelligence. Master's degree in library science here :)I think I must have an old edition of the book from back in the days where low-fat and fat-free junk food was being heavily pushed. I picked it up in a thrift store for a couple bucks because I figured that any edition would be a good start, but perhaps it has changed a bit. > > > > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > the> > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > supplement?> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

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sorry - i guess i didnt read all the posts before looking at my book and restating wha t was already observed about page 134.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

In my paperback i just bought there is nothing in the 14 day part...but on page 134 they talk about how even some fast food places have items that are not off limits...yet they then proceed to list out how horrible the items are at various places.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 2:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

Very interesting. Can you scan page in and send to me or fax

I will send to Dr. .

Can others look at their DASH 14 day trial chap and see if this is in theirs? Maybe the food industry slipped in some pages in one of the versions. Was it the paper back or hardback.

Latter our of print but can buy used at Amazon sometimes less than new paperback. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-)

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Specializing in Difficult

Hypertension

Oh please! I didn't misread - don't insult my intelligence. Master's degree in library science here :)I think I must have an old edition of the book from back in the days where low-fat and fat-free junk food was being heavily pushed. I picked it up in a thrift store for a couple bucks because I figured that any edition would be a good start, but perhaps it has changed a bit. > > > > > > > > >>

>> > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > the> > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > supplement?> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

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Iib is always good. But cost is only $8 online!. Then you can donate to lib when you have mastered it.CE Grim MD, you can read much of the edition that I have online, for free, here. But as with anything, you have to use critical thinking - and not wishful thinking! - when implementing the information contained within > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

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Mine was 7.99 at Borders book store. I will be donating to my dad after i have it mastered.

============================================================================45-Male-Caucasian, 5'9"- 230lbs, PA Diagnosed 2007 Suspected Hyperplasia-No tumors on CT - No AVS.Meds: 50mg Spiro, 25mg HCTZ, 40meg Potassium, 2400mg Calcium, 1000mg Magnesium, 100,000UI Vit D (weekly), 40mg OmeprazoleSide effects: Gynecomastia, stomach inflammationOther Diags: GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Metabolic Syndrome - PreDiabetic, Secondary Hyperparathyroidism caused by Renal calcium leak, Bone Cyct in left Femoral Head and Pelvis. Fibromyalgia

DASH: Not at this time, but cutting back on excess salt. No more bacon everyday. Using Mrs Dash instead of salt when ever possible.

To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:51 PMSubject: Re: Re: DASH and processed junk food

Iib is always good. But cost is only $8 online!.

Then you can donate to lib when you have mastered it.

CE Grim MD

, you can read much of the edition that I have online, for free, here. But as with anything, you have to use critical thinking - and not wishful thinking! - when implementing the information contained within > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yuk, I hate Spiro!! It makes me fat!! What if I > > > > don't take

it,> > > > > > > > > > >> what will happen. I was recently told to stop taking > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > >> hydrochlorizide/water pill, and start taking spiro > > > > again, due to my> > > > > > > > > > >> vitimin d levels on the floor, and potassium levels. > > > > Why can't I> > > > > > > > > > >> just take labetalol and vitamin D and a potassium > > > > supplement?> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >

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