Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 From what I've read and experienced, PMS symptoms are the sign that things are amiss in your body. Through diet alone I was able to get rid of all my PMS symtoms that I've had all of my life. Now, I believe that *any* symptom you have, regardless of how small is just your body's way of telling you something is not quite right... Becky --- In , " lucientj " <cassiusdio@g...> wrote: > It's an interesting question: is PMS entirely a product of modern > society including diet, or are mild PMS symptoms normal? If you think > about humans from an evolutionary standpoint, there's not a strong > selection against having a little pain for a few days a month. It > wouldn't prevent women from bearing children and passing on their > genes. So some degree of PMS may be inavoidable, depending on the woman. > > Furthermore, PMS symptoms would be rare " back in the day " anyway, > because most months of the year women would be pregnant. (Maybe this > statement isn't true for all traditional societies, but I think it is > for most.) > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 >>>From what I've read and experienced, PMS symptoms are the sign that things are amiss in your body. ---->that is my understanding as well. >>>Through diet alone I was able to get rid of all my PMS symtoms that I've had all of my life. ---->have you been able to get rid of them through lifestyle and diet changes combined? i have a feeling that environmental estrogens may be playing a part, but am not sure. my ND has me on indole to help balance my hormones which he thinks are at the bottom of my PMS symptoms. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 >i have a feeling that environmental estrogens may be playing a part, but am >not sure. my ND has me on indole to help balance my hormones which he thinks >are at the bottom of my PMS symptoms. You might be getting more calcium too, or utilizing it better. PMS (and migraines) seem very much linked to calcium. Which is interesting ... most of the changes Price noted in " modernized " folk relate to calcium too (bone changes and tooth decay). Well, not just calcium, but the whole calcium/magnesium/D complex. You can get a lot of cal/mag/D in your diet and not use it, due to other factors -- I think the NT diet tends to overcome the problems that cause lack in those 3. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 >>>>>You might be getting more calcium too, or utilizing it better. PMS (and migraines) seem very much linked to calcium. ---->calcium *deficiency*, right? glad you mentioned that, i'd seen it mentioned before but forgot about it. my serum CA is actually a tad low (even though i was supplementing CA), so that could possibly be a part of my PMS symptoms. i'll have to be cognizant to get more CA in my diet, and i'm hoping the hydroxyapatite (bone meal) supp that i'm now taking will help, too. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- RE: Re: was CIVILITY now PMS >i have a feeling that environmental estrogens may be playing a part, but am >not sure. my ND has me on indole to help balance my hormones which he thinks >are at the bottom of my PMS symptoms. You might be getting more calcium too, or utilizing it better. PMS (and migraines) seem very much linked to calcium. Which is interesting ... most of the changes Price noted in " modernized " folk relate to calcium too (bone changes and tooth decay). Well, not just calcium, but the whole calcium/magnesium/D complex. You can get a lot of cal/mag/D in your diet and not use it, due to other factors -- I think the NT diet tends to overcome the problems that cause lack in those 3. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 >---->calcium *deficiency*, right? heh heh. Correct. I've heard some folks say that kidney stones are related to too much calcium, but I don't think that is true. AFAIK no one gets too much calcium but it precipitates out under certain conditions and causes problems. >glad you mentioned that, i'd seen it mentioned before but forgot about it. >my serum CA is actually a tad low (even though i was supplementing CA), so >that could possibly be a part of my PMS symptoms. i'll have to be cognizant >to get more CA in my diet, and i'm hoping the hydroxyapatite (bone meal) >supp that i'm now taking will help, too. Mine gets low really easily, which is scary. I ran out of cal/mag/zinc/D tabs and took plain calcium, and started getting symptoms again. So it probably ISN'T just calcium: it needs supporting players or else some of the symptoms are lacks of something else. Eating bones is probably the best bet ... -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Becky, out of curiosity, how bad were your PMS symptoms at their worst? Minor, debilitating, or in between? And how many days did they last? I'm curious if any otherwise healthy women with severe PMS symptoms have seen complete cessation thereof with a NT-type diet. Birth control is another variable, of course. Tom > > It's an interesting question: is PMS entirely a product of modern > > society including diet, or are mild PMS symptoms normal? If you > think > > about humans from an evolutionary standpoint, there's not a strong > > selection against having a little pain for a few days a month. It > > wouldn't prevent women from bearing children and passing on their > > genes. So some degree of PMS may be inavoidable, depending on the > woman. > > > > Furthermore, PMS symptoms would be rare " back in the day " anyway, > > because most months of the year women would be pregnant. (Maybe this > > statement isn't true for all traditional societies, but I think it > is > > for most.) > > > > Tom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 --- In , " lucientj " <cassiusdio@g...> wrote: > I'm curious if any otherwise healthy women with severe PMS > symptoms have seen complete cessation thereof with a NT-type diet. > Birth control is another variable, of course. > > Tom My PMS has disappeared since upping my saturated fats (especially butter). I don't really know what you classify as an " NT-type " diet, but I eat grassfed meats, dairy and organic veggies. I don't eat any grains or sugar at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Well, they were the absolute worst as a teenager, when I was eating a bad diet. And I would say debilitating. But over the years, it improved as my diet improved. Your comment about an " otherwise healthy woman with severe PMS " is not accurate. There can be no such thing! I know this because as my PMS symptoms went away, so did all my other nagging health problems. I guarantee if you ask that otherwide healthy woman about her health, she will have many other symtoms to tell you about (such as frequent headaches, constipation, digestive problems, etc....)They don't have to be major symptoms....but if not dealt with, they DO turn into major diseases. But once I found the culprit foods my body was dealing with(grains and starches) and eliminated them, and also started eating a mostly raw NT diet, that was when the most improvement came. Becky > > > It's an interesting question: is PMS entirely a product of modern > > > society including diet, or are mild PMS symptoms normal? If you > > think > > > about humans from an evolutionary standpoint, there's not a strong > > > selection against having a little pain for a few days a month. It > > > wouldn't prevent women from bearing children and passing on their > > > genes. So some degree of PMS may be inavoidable, depending on the > > woman. > > > > > > Furthermore, PMS symptoms would be rare " back in the day " anyway, > > > because most months of the year women would be pregnant. (Maybe this > > > statement isn't true for all traditional societies, but I think it > > is > > > for most.) > > > > > > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi Becky, >I guarantee if you ask that otherwise healthy woman about her health, >she will have many other symtoms to tell you about (such as frequent >headaches, constipation, digestive problems, etc....)They don't have >to be major symptoms....but if not dealt with, they DO turn into >major diseases. It *amazes* me what many people consider part of being " healthy " ! Then when you look in their medicine cabinet and see the array of symptoms they're continually suppressing... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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