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there are extensive threads on this article in the archives.

it's not that soy is necessarily *bad* (that probably depends on the

effects of phytoestrogens, which may be good in some cases and not

others), but that it's not especially *good*, and that many instances

of soy foods are very bad (processing, breed). soy is potentially a

good, medium-quality food, but could never be a high-quality food.

keep in mind that many cultures thrive with large percentages of

medium-quality food. that's my take at least.

mike parker

--- In , <karenr@c...>

wrote:

> On a homeopathy email list the subject of pre-pubescent syndrome

came up

> (kids becoming physically mature way too early). Then the subject

of soy

> formula came up. In response, someone posted this pro-soy article

that

> refers specifically to the WAPF articles on soy.

>

> http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

>

> At first glance, it looks like it's filled to the brim with errors.

I can't

> get into this in any depth, but I also don't like to see it go

> unchallenged. If someone here really wants to take a crack at

it.... !

>

>

> -

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I've seen Robbins' article before and certainly am familiar

with his " agenda " . Unfortunately Fallon, Enig and Robbins have all

committed the greatest of sins as far as I'm concerned when it comes

to public leadership. That sin being ample amounts of what I'd call

intellectual dishonesty in an effort to either further their agenda

or themselves. While the latter appears to be unattributable to

Fallon and Enig, Robbins is easily convicted of both IMHO.

So while certainly I am a " fan " of Fallon and Enig I am bothered by

this practice they've taken up and I'm sure they've done it in an

effort to provide some balance " to the other side " . While I

understand it I do feel it is the " low road " in spite of the fact

that it is the NORM in modern day scientific debate.

In the end I certainly come out on the F/E " anti-soy " side however

they are also right in stating that " Soy is (in fact) NOT hemlock " .

and I'm rather certain that Robbins probably makes this point to a

degree in his rebuttal.

Nonetheless this is a hard piece to rebutt because of the means

being used on both sides. The biggest difference of all I suppose

is that F/E are making a position that has readily documented merit,

without need for the lengths they go to prove it. Robbins on the

other hand makes a position that has no documented merit at all. An

example of his honesty of convenience is his 'complete dismissal' of

animal studies and yet he's happy to use them if the demonstrate

anything favorable to his position or fame.

I'm realizing this post is pointless in that I am not answering your

question , I apologize for my rant and will now shut up.

DMM

> On a homeopathy email list the subject of pre-pubescent syndrome

came up

> (kids becoming physically mature way too early). Then the subject

of soy

> formula came up. In response, someone posted this pro-soy article

that

> refers specifically to the WAPF articles on soy.

>

> http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

>

> At first glance, it looks like it's filled to the brim with

errors. I can't

> get into this in any depth, but I also don't like to see it go

> unchallenged. If someone here really wants to take a crack at

it.... !

>

>

> -

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Mike and Mike,

Thanks for your thoughts.. I'm not sure if I want to get involved on the

other email list, but this does help me to get a more balanced view of

what's going on with these debates. It's frustrating for me with my

interest and mental energy charging ahead without enough physical energy

backup, so I kinda have to limit my involvement in these conversations. But

I appreciate the good reads.

At 06:50 PM 11/04/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> I've seen Robbins' article before and certainly am familiar

>with his " agenda " . Unfortunately Fallon, Enig and Robbins have all

>committed the greatest of sins as far as I'm concerned when it comes

>to public leadership. That sin being ample amounts of what I'd call

>intellectual dishonesty in an effort to either further their agenda

>or themselves. While the latter appears to be unattributable to

>Fallon and Enig, Robbins is easily convicted of both IMHO.

>

>So while certainly I am a " fan " of Fallon and Enig I am bothered by

>this practice they've taken up and I'm sure they've done it in an

>effort to provide some balance " to the other side " . While I

>understand it I do feel it is the " low road " in spite of the fact

>that it is the NORM in modern day scientific debate.

>

>In the end I certainly come out on the F/E " anti-soy " side however

>they are also right in stating that " Soy is (in fact) NOT hemlock " .

>and I'm rather certain that Robbins probably makes this point to a

>degree in his rebuttal.

>

>Nonetheless this is a hard piece to rebutt because of the means

>being used on both sides. The biggest difference of all I suppose

>is that F/E are making a position that has readily documented merit,

>without need for the lengths they go to prove it. Robbins on the

>other hand makes a position that has no documented merit at all. An

>example of his honesty of convenience is his 'complete dismissal' of

>animal studies and yet he's happy to use them if the demonstrate

>anything favorable to his position or fame.

>

>I'm realizing this post is pointless in that I am not answering your

>question , I apologize for my rant and will now shut up.

>

>DMM

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