Re: Need Help- Stomach Upset

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In a message dated 10/29/03 10:24:17 AM Central Standard Time,

peaceflmeadow@... writes:

> Oh, and I

> am not pregnant....lol...that seems to be the standard answer from my close

> friends. Any ideas???

>

, I would doublecheck this one more time.

Terri

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I have basically been

> nauseous for 10 days straight now. I am not having any other issues,

no

> diarrhea, nothing, just a seriously upset stomach.

Could you be pregnant?

Laurel

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<Could you be pregnant>

Lol.........told you everyone says that. While I want to get pregnant in the

future, not yet. My period ended on the day the nausea started. That along

with birth control, pretty positive that I am not pregnant (yes, I want to

get off birth control as well in the future, but it helps with some other

problems right now). I have been nauseous before when my hypoglycemia was

really bad before starting low carbing, but usually I would eat and it would

go away in a couple hours.

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,

Assuming the pregnancy issue *really* isn't... there are a lot of issues

there, but for starters, I think you should stop the tea that has licorice

in it! Licorice in large amounts is an emetic (induces vomiting), although

in smaller amounts it usually doesn't have that effect on most people, and

usually the ginger along with it in a formula mitigates that effect. But

I'm very sensitive to licorice and it makes me a little queasy.

My guess is the licorice isn't the culprit but it could be exacerbating it.

And are you taking any meds or supplements that could be contributing to this?

You can get fresh ginger and cut it in slices, put lemon juice on it and

keep it in the fridge like that for a few days, chewing on a slice a few

times a day especially before or with food.

Ginger is great for getting digestion to go in a *downward* direction

instead of that upward rising nausea feeling.

If you're nauseous it's best not to force solids. How about fresh veggie

juices? Also slippery elm can be used to tide you over; it's almost like a

food and has saved me many times. You can mix the powder with a bit of

honey and just enough water to mix, and just eat that. If you have

capsules, about 3 capsules at a time, but just one to start with to see how

it feels.

I just went through about 2 weeks of my digestion crapping out completely,

then it just came back. I get these bouts that are like the pilot light of

my digestion is out completely, and anything I give it just sits there.

When that happens, what gets me through are chicken broth, slippery elm,

veggie juices, digestive herbs like cumin, coriander, ginger and fennel,

and some cultured dairy products when I'm up for it.

The idea is to keep things very simple at this stage and not overwhelm your

system with so many supplements. I'd wait until later for the probiotics

and enzymes and such.

If I can't eat anything but can drink water, I dilute some broth, or dilute

some veggie juice so that at least I'm getting some electrolytes.

I would forget about the carb issue for the time being and concentrate on

getting the gut back on track. I wouldn't mess around with any gluten

grains and would ideally eliminate all grains, but focus on getting very

simple, easy to digest liquids or semi-liquids into you for now, regardless

of carbs. Smoothies if you can. Some coconut oil added to them, the easiest

fat to digest, when you can. (You didn't say how much fat your usual diet

contains; that may be key-- low carb and low fat can be disastrous).

Pepto-bismol can help in the short run, and isn't the worst drug in the

world and won't exacerbate anything. It does contain aluminum and nasty

coloring, but if it can help get you past the nausea and get some nutrition

into you, it might be a good compromise.

Then when this bout resolves, you can work out a better ongoing diet plan.

20 grams carbs may be much too low for you.

As for pain, you might look into Wobenzym-N, systemic proteolytic

enzymes. As happy a time as a new marriage is, it can also be quite

stressful, so I'd look at that too.

Take care,

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,

Thanks a ton for the information. All of that makes great sense. About the

only thing I HAVE been craving these last 10 days is liquids. That is why I

have been drinking a ton of water. I have been keeping my fat content up, I

am not low carbing and low fat.....ick. You can take away my pasta but you

can't take my butter .

I am sitting here staring at my lunch......think I will put it back in the

fridge and go down to the cafeteria for an odwalla veggie drink of some

sorts.

Thanks again. Heading to the store this evening to pick up a few of the

recommended items.

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>only thing I HAVE been craving these last 10 days is liquids. That

>is why I have been drinking a ton of water.

You're welcome, .. drinking lots of plain water will flush out

electrolytes, and if you're not eating normally it's so important to

keep that under control. I hope this resolves very soon!

Also I sometimes use packets of Emergen-C Lite (electrolytes with no

sugar), which mixes up into a fizzy drink and goes down as easy as

mineral water.

-

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--- Hawbaker <peaceflmeadow@...> wrote: >

Question for the crew. I am currently in the

> process of altering my diet

> both back to low carb, and then to a more natural

> basis. I am having some

> problems initially, and hoping some folks can steer

> me in a better

> direction.

What are you doing differently this time around? Is

that ginger tea new this second time on Atkins? If

so, cut it out and see how you do. Try to make things

exactly the same and see if that helps. Then try 1

new thing at a time and see what effect it has.

Also, review the veggies you are eating. I think I am

having problems with tomatoes which I have discovered

after nearly 4 years low carb! If you are eating

fermented veg this time, could be these are

disagreeing with your for whatever reason.

Going 20g carbs and under for too long could be too

low for you. Try raising it to 30g and see how you

feel.

HTH

Jo

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,

That was a great post. . .I really got a lot of good information even though it

wasn't meant for me.

So you take Wobenzym-N? You said they are systemic proteolytic enzymes. What

makes them different than any other enzymes?

Thanks

Sheryl

<karenr@...> wrote:

,

Assuming the pregnancy issue *really* isn't... there are a lot of issues

there, but for starters, I think you should stop the tea that has licorice

in it! Licorice in large amounts is an emetic (induces vomiting), although

in smaller amounts it usually doesn't have that effect on most people, and

usually the ginger along with it in a formula mitigates that effect. But

I'm very sensitive to licorice and it makes me a little queasy.

My guess is the licorice isn't the culprit but it could be exacerbating it.

And are you taking any meds or supplements that could be contributing to this?

You can get fresh ginger and cut it in slices, put lemon juice on it and

keep it in the fridge like that for a few days, chewing on a slice a few

times a day especially before or with food.

Ginger is great for getting digestion to go in a *downward* direction

instead of that upward rising nausea feeling.

If you're nauseous it's best not to force solids. How about fresh veggie

juices? Also slippery elm can be used to tide you over; it's almost like a

food and has saved me many times. You can mix the powder with a bit of

honey and just enough water to mix, and just eat that. If you have

capsules, about 3 capsules at a time, but just one to start with to see how

it feels.

I just went through about 2 weeks of my digestion crapping out completely,

then it just came back. I get these bouts that are like the pilot light of

my digestion is out completely, and anything I give it just sits there.

When that happens, what gets me through are chicken broth, slippery elm,

veggie juices, digestive herbs like cumin, coriander, ginger and fennel,

and some cultured dairy products when I'm up for it.

The idea is to keep things very simple at this stage and not overwhelm your

system with so many supplements. I'd wait until later for the probiotics

and enzymes and such.

If I can't eat anything but can drink water, I dilute some broth, or dilute

some veggie juice so that at least I'm getting some electrolytes.

I would forget about the carb issue for the time being and concentrate on

getting the gut back on track. I wouldn't mess around with any gluten

grains and would ideally eliminate all grains, but focus on getting very

simple, easy to digest liquids or semi-liquids into you for now, regardless

of carbs. Smoothies if you can. Some coconut oil added to them, the easiest

fat to digest, when you can. (You didn't say how much fat your usual diet

contains; that may be key-- low carb and low fat can be disastrous).

Pepto-bismol can help in the short run, and isn't the worst drug in the

world and won't exacerbate anything. It does contain aluminum and nasty

coloring, but if it can help get you past the nausea and get some nutrition

into you, it might be a good compromise.

Then when this bout resolves, you can work out a better ongoing diet plan.

20 grams carbs may be much too low for you.

As for pain, you might look into Wobenzym-N, systemic proteolytic

enzymes. As happy a time as a new marriage is, it can also be quite

stressful, so I'd look at that too.

Take care,

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In a message dated 10/29/03 1:03:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

karenr@... writes:

> , I think you should stop the tea that has licorice

> in it! Licorice in large amounts is an emetic (induces vomiting), although

> in smaller amounts it usually doesn't have that effect on most people, and

> usually the ginger along with it in a formula mitigates that effect. But

> I'm very sensitive to licorice and it makes me a little queasy.

,

This is a little of the subject, but I found out a month or two ago that the

green tea I'd been using had licorice root in it. I usually read ingredients,

and didn't for some reason with this product. It appears that *all* of Yogi

Tea's green teas contain licorice, which frankly pisses me off because from

what I've read licorice is *not* a tonic, and certainly not for men because of

it's hormonal effects. Any opinion on this?

I don't understand why a responsible company would mix non-tonic herbs with

tonic herbs, and not clearly label it as such to boot.

Chris

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Not . What do you mean by tonic herb? Medicinal? Green tea is

medicinal. From what l understand licorice is used as a carrier herb in

most Oriental teas because of its natural sweetness. Sweet goes through the

body faster working the other herbs its with quicker. Personally, a cup of

tea usually with licorice in it has kept me from sweeting out at night

especially for 12 of the last 14 years. Until l put fat and more protein in

my diet which made it gross all day too.

Wanita

>This is a little of the subject, but I found out a month or two ago that the

>green tea I'd been using had licorice root in it. I usually read

ingredients,

>and didn't for some reason with this product. It appears that *all* of Yogi

>Tea's green teas contain licorice, which frankly pisses me off because from

>what I've read licorice is *not* a tonic, and certainly not for men

because of

>it's hormonal effects. Any opinion on this?

>

>I don't understand why a responsible company would mix non-tonic herbs with

>tonic herbs, and not clearly label it as such to boot.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone fro the info to help settle my stomach and such.

To answer some questions that came up here and there........The only thing I

was eating different that I could figure was some organic whole milk in the

mix. So I removed that around the 3rd day or so and haven't had it since.

The ginger tea I didn't start drinking until around the 5th or 6th day to

try and settle my stomach down. It was helping a little bit which is why I

continued. I stopped per advice and am now munching on fresh ginger slices

instead. I did a prego test last night to be sure....since SO many felt

that I was, and it was negative.

I have tossed my care about carbs right now out the window, but still trying

to avoid gluten containing products. I haven't added any digestive enzymes

or any of that jazz yet as I was trying to do all these changes in

stages....haven't made it past stage one yet...sigh. I have worked in

medicine enough to know that I should take it step by step....that way I can

identify any problems that may arise in the process.

I am better today, but alas, I am now getting a stinken cold since my hubby

has been sick all week. I am usually pretty immune to them, but my body was

stressed out for the last couple weeks so I guess it was inevitable. Also,

the weather in CO has been a little odd, it was 83 on wed and on thurs the

high was 23 with freezing drizzle the last two days. My plan is to get

through that.....and then start my process over again. I think I will start

adding more NT and organic type foods first, THEN do the carb reduction.

Maybe just eating healthier will help eliminate my hypoglycemia issues and I

will be able to avoid that step all together. Doubtful, but worth a shot.

Thanks again for all the info. Time to go home and prepare for trick or

treaters.

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,

Sounds like you're on a great track with this. Glad things seem to be

improving. Welcome to the slow-and-steady club :-)

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In a message dated 10/30/03 10:13:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wanitawa@... writes:

> Not . What do you mean by tonic herb? Medicinal? Green tea is

> medicinal. From what l understand licorice is used as a carrier herb in

> most Oriental teas because of its natural sweetness. Sweet goes through the

> body faster working the other herbs its with quicker. Personally, a cup of

> tea usually with licorice in it has kept me from sweeting out at night

> especially for 12 of the last 14 years. Until l put fat and more protein in

> my diet which made it gross all day too.

Wanita,

I don't know much about herbs, and obviously less than you and . My

understanding is tonic is something you can use every day for promoting general

health as opposed to medicinal where you use to treat a specific ailment for a

specific time and stop using it.

Chris

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<snip>

>I have tossed my care about carbs right now out the window, but

>still trying to avoid gluten containing products. I haven't added

>any digestive enzymes or any of that jazz yet as I was trying to do ?

>all these changes in stages....haven't made it past stage one

>yet...sigh. I have worked in medicine enough to know that I should

>take it step by step....that way I can identify any problems that

>may arise in the process.

I could be wrong here, but when you mention carbs it seems that you

are referring to grains only?? I noticed this in your original post,

too. Veggies are carbs, too. Are you eating veggies? I am

completely grain free, but I do eat carbs in the form of veggies and

dairy. Since eliminating all grains about a month ago, I have almost

completely eliminated my hypoglycemia. That was the single best

thing I ever did. (Taking a probiotic was probably the second.) I

don't know if I have any gluten issues and at this point it doesn't

matter. Not eating breads and other grain foods is not something I

miss, but I know others that would have a very hard time with this.

>I am better today, but alas, I am now getting a stinken cold since

>my hubby has been sick all week. I am usually pretty immune to

>them, but my body was stressed out for the last couple weeks so I

>guess it was inevitable.

Yes, stress has a huge impact on our immune systems.

<snip> I think I will start adding more NT and organic type foods

first, THEN do the carb reduction. Maybe just eating healthier will

help eliminate my hypoglycemia issues and I will be able to avoid

that step all together. Doubtful, but worth a shot.

Again, what carbs are you referring to? If you are hypoglycemic, you

need to eat lots of fat. Also, eliminating all grains (also things

like sugar and most fruits - although berries would be fine) should

give you some great benefits. I wouldn't wait to work this step in,

I would go for it now. Do eat veggies.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

< but when you mention carbs it seems that you

are referring to grains only??>

When I am referring to carbs I am talking about grains, sugars, and starchy

veggies. I have been eating plenty of veggies outside of that, meats, fats,

ect. My carb consumption is also mainly summed up in vegetables, nuts, and

dairy products. I eliminated milk again, but have left in cheese and butter

right now since I haven't had obvious problems with them in the past. When I

said I was now eating gluten free instead of carb free.....it means I have added

back in some fruit (mostly berries), broader spectrum of veggies, few other

dairy products like yogurt, tish bit of rice, and a couple other gluten free

items. Not much of a change, but my body seems to find it quite significant.

It is almost identical to how I was eating before 2 weeks ago....but I did have

some wheat in the diet before and my hypoglycemia was kicking in full force. I

am assuming I am eating enough fat but I am not counting grams or percentages.

I just never skimp on it in my cooking....I eat my veggies with some form of oil

based dressing or butter or something along those lines....things like that. Is

there a certain fat to protein and so on percentage I should be aiming for?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

>I am assuming I am eating enough fat but I am not counting grams or

>percentages. I just never skimp on it in my cooking....I eat my

>veggies with some form of oil based dressing or butter or something

>along those lines....things like that. Is there a certain fat to

>protein and so on percentage I should be aiming for?

>

Yeah, I don't count stuff either and make sure to add lots of butter,

coconut oil, etc., to my foods. I don't know if there is a real way

to determine how much fat you need other than trial and error -

seeing how your body responds. Maybe someone else on the list has

some suggestions. I think it's so individual. I eat a lot less

volume when I have enough fat with my meal. I used to be able to eat

such a large meal and then be hungry not long after. The added fats

and not eating grains has really shrunk my appetite. I eat the

starchy veggies with lots of butter, but I don't eat them often. I

love potatoes and eat them every other week or so (whenever the

craving hits).

I hope your digestion gets back in line!