Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Every colostrum I've ordered and think even seen on the internet claims that no colostrum whatsoever is taken from the cow until the calves drink all they will take. The colostrum I buy, from Jarrow, is 100% grass-fed during the grass-season, taken during the first 12 hours after the calves' first take, unpasteurized, and low-temp freeze dried. It doesn't claim to be biodynamic, but seems high-quality to me. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Perhaps i need enlightening because i'm having problems with the ethics of colostrum. Yes i eat dead animals and believe in dairy farming, but i feel squeamish as a breastfeeding mother about giving this important substance intended for the calf to humans. Is it just that there is plenty left over? I would feel better getting it from a farmer i knew who was practicing ethical farming, but when i see it on the internet and at stores i can't imagine it is coming from biodynamic-like farms. Please inform me someone. elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hello from an ethical farmer. If you are breast feeding, IMO the child does not need it. If you are sick or trying to repair damage due to whatever is ailing you colostrum is ideal with its hyperantibodies and extremely high fat content. It is almost akin to blue green alge (without getting into a detailed explaination) high in the enzymes and building blocks we need to repair that which we have done to ourselves on the SAD till we knew better. Tim Re: ethcis of colustrum Perhaps i need enlightening because i'm having problems with the ethics of colostrum. Yes i eat dead animals and believe in dairy farming, but i feel squeamish as a breastfeeding mother about giving this important substance intended for the calf to humans. Is it just that there is plenty left over? I would feel better getting it from a farmer i knew who was practicing ethical farming, but when i see it on the internet and at stores i can't imagine it is coming from biodynamic-like farms. Please inform me someone. elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 In response to Mike's post-- It seems reasonable that the cow may have adapted over these thousands of years by simply eating more. If the calorie and micronutrient intake is larger, but the rate of reproduction stays the same, than any increase in product is proportionally met with raw material. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 --- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...> wrote: > Perhaps i need enlightening because i'm having problems with the ethics of > colostrum Hello Elaine, I raise dairy goats, which produce much less milk than cows, and there has always been too much colostrum for the kids. Usually, the doe needs to be milked out some, sometimes several times a day, just so she isn't so engorged and the kids can latch on comfortably. It most likely wouldn't be this way with wild goats, but with dairy animals, in my experience there is almost always extra. Rebekah in WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 > If you are sick or trying to repair damage due to whatever is ailing you > colostrum is ideal with its hyperantibodies hummm would hyerantibodies be ok for a person with autoimmune disease? Any thoughts Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 > > Perhaps i need enlightening because i'm having problems with the ethics of > colostrum. Yes i eat dead animals and believe in dairy farming, but i feel > squeamish as a breastfeeding mother about giving this important substance > intended for the calf to humans. Is it just that there is plenty left > over? It is my understanding from talking to my farmer that there is plenty of colostrum for the calf and if I understand correctly the calf gets first dibs on the best stuff. That's my understanding at this point. Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 this is an interesting topic that never crossed my mind before. so if there's so much extra colostrum that the animal's progeny doesn't need, then what would happen to it in the wild? would the animal be making less of it in the first place because it wasn't bred for farming? is this part of the general idea that animals are forced to deviate from their normal behavior due to domestication, like cows making more milk, chickens laying more eggs, etc? i often wonder about this, and how much it might be compromising the quality of the food that results from these biological cycles and/or the quality of the food that results from the animal itself being eaten eventually and/or the quality of the offspring the animal produces. keep in mind that i'm not very concerned about the ethical aspects of animal husbandry beyond their effects on humans (just personal ideology), but just for the sake of intellectual thoroughness on this topic, if the quality of the colostrum consumed by the animal's progeny is compromised because the animal is producing unnatural quantities, wouldn't this be similarly unethical as withholding the colostrum? and if it has other negative effects as above, wouldn't they be similarly unethical? i often think that an incremental improvement over my current diet would be finding milk and eggs from sources that didn't do anything to encourage more than natural production. i guess this would be a combination of breed and diet, and even the most pristine sources that are so highly regarded, like my local Amish farmers near Lancaster, PA, make compromises in at least one of these in most cases. even though the eggs i get are from chickens that can run around the farm a fair bit and get sunlight, etc, they can't possibly be as nutritious as the eggs that someone like Heidi is eating from her own chickens that get a better diet and probably lay fewer eggs. i have talked to my main egg source about this, basically pointing out to him that he doesn't make any money off his eggs, only selling to a handful of people, and that they are mainly for feeding his (very large, Amish, obsessive egg-eating) family, so he doesn't have any reason to raise them in such a way to encourage greater egg-laying at the expense of quality, in contrast to his milk operation, where there's a definite economic reality to feeding a certain percentage of grains, since he sells his milk to a large organic milk producer (Horizon) and has to have a lot of expensive equipment, etc. unfortunately most farmers in his position don't have the time, money, or knowledge to optimize their chicken husbandry, and i don't have the time to devote to studying it myself at present, not that it's an urgent matter--the eggs are still excellent quality! mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 >>>> guess this would be a combination of breed and diet, and even the most pristine sources that are so highly regarded, like my local Amish farmers near Lancaster, PA, make compromises in at least one of these in most cases. ---->hi mike, just curious...do you shop at reading terminal market? or do you get your amish foods by travelling to lancaster county? i'm a former philadelphian (i miss philly!) and used to love shopping at reading terminal market. i used to get the big buttery amish pretzels back in the day whenever i shopped there...yum! Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 >i used to get the big buttery amish pretzels back in the day >whenever i shopped there...yum! Uh-oh, I heard the word pretzel. My memories are of the soft, hot pretzels on the sidewalks of NY. Why oh why do these things make my mouth water, when they screw up my digestion?! <sigh>.. (not changing the subject line, because this tangent had better not continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 > >>>> guess this would be a > combination of breed and diet, and even the most pristine sources > that are so highly regarded, like my local Amish farmers near > Lancaster, PA, make compromises in at least one of these in most > cases. > > ---->hi mike, just curious...do you shop at reading terminal market? or do > you get your amish foods by travelling to lancaster county? i'm a former > philadelphian (i miss philly!) and used to love shopping at reading terminal > market. i used to get the big buttery amish pretzels back in the day > whenever i shopped there...yum! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Hi Suze, I've never heard of Reading Terminal Market to be honest. I always feel awkward admitting this because I read so many posts about people who struggle to find good sources of foods, but I live within 10 minutes of 4 organic Amish farms, from which I can get grass-fed raw milk, raw cream, raw butter, cave-aged raw cheese, grass-fed meats/bones/organs (one farmer has a butcher shop), good eggs, and a variety of veggies (one farmer specializes in veggies and supplies a CSA in Philly and restaurants in Philly and NYC)!! It's almost too good to be true. It feels weird when I read posts from people on this list and other lists (like the live-food list) who talk about getting butter and stuff shipped to them in CA and other parts of the country from one particular farmer who has extremely high-quality dairy (and supplies SF and probably some people on this list), because it is literally a 5-minute drive for me to his farm, so I stop by all the time. It's just dumb luck and coincidence. I live about 1 mile south of the border between Lancaster County and Chester County, so I'm practially in Lancaster County. It's a nice place to live because it's only one hour to Philly or Baltimore, two hours to Manhattan, and only 30 minutes to my university/job (in my hometown of Newark, DE). I'm going to move to Tokyo in the next 1-3 yrs, but in the meantime I'm really enjoying this!! mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 I live about 1 mile south of the border between Lancaster County and Chester County, so I'm practially in Lancaster County. It's a nice place to live because it's only one hour to Philly or Baltimore, two hours to Manhattan, and only 30 minutes to my university/job (in my hometown of Newark, DE). Hey Mike, I used to work at an organic CSA in Chester County. Very close to Kimberton, it was right off of route 100 called Maysie's farm/conservation center. Anyway, I am in State College now, but yes that is such a beatiful area with wonderful local foods and landscapes~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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