Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Another question: Is the Olympic lift just the deadlift with the overhead portion tagged on? That looks fairly advanced. Is the olympic something you work toward or can a beginner do it with lighter weight? I remember somebody on this group saying they do it. Also, i looked at deadlift on the net and noticed standard and sumo. I'm thinking the sumo looks easier. Are they both safe/good? Thanks in advance for everyone's great help. My gym is a big corporate place staffed by teens so i'm not feeling very confident about asking them all this. Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Elaine " Olympic " describes a group of lifts such as deadlift, snatch, clean, etc... The snatch I believe is what your seeing overhead. This is a very complex exercise with huge risk to reward ratios. For general fitness I would stay away from it. If weight lifting is a big hobby of yours and you want to learn it as a skill then go for it. But from a purely week to week fitness routine I'd skip it. Both sumo and standard are perfectly fine, the just change the lift a little. You could even consider doing half and half. Half your deadlift sets sumo and half standard if you were so inclined. DMM --- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...> wrote: > Another question: Is the Olympic lift just the deadlift with the overhead > portion tagged on? That looks fairly advanced. Is the olympic something you > work toward or can a beginner do it with lighter weight? I remember somebody > on this group saying they do it. Also, i looked at deadlift on the net and > noticed standard and sumo. I'm thinking the sumo looks easier. Are they both > safe/good? Thanks in advance for everyone's great help. My gym is a big > corporate place staffed by teens so i'm not feeling very confident about > asking them all this. > Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 --- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...> wrote: Also, i looked at deadlift on the net and > noticed standard and sumo. I'm thinking the sumo looks easier. Are they both > safe/good? Thanks in advance for everyone's great help. My gym is a big > corporate place staffed by teens so i'm not feeling very confident about > asking them all this. > Elaine Elaine, According to a site I found it's harder to lift the bar off the ground, so I doubt it's easier. Also, the sumo stance focuses emphasis away from the back to the legs, but the whole point of doing squats and deadlifts instead of just squats is to shift some of the emphasis of squats away from the legs/butt and into the back. They are both basically full body exercises, but this way you distribute the emphasis wider. It seems like doing sumo deadlifts would diminish that effect. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 On 26 Oct 2003 12:28:10 -0700 " Elaine " <itchyink@...> wrote: >Another question: Is the Olympic lift just the deadlift with the overhead >portion tagged on? That looks fairly advanced. Is the olympic something you >work toward or can a beginner do it with lighter weight? I remember somebody >on this group saying they do it. That would be me. And no, you need training to do the Classic/Olympic Lifts correctly. As it is very few gyms in America are set up to accommodate or teach Olympic Lifting. But if you are willing to get some instruction, and have a place to do it, its a fun way to stay in shape, and not all that risky when lifting lighter weights. Plus it is totally at odds with the typical bodybuilding approaches, which is a good thing, IMO. Also, i looked at deadlift on the net and >noticed standard and sumo. I'm thinking the sumo looks easier. Are they both >safe/good? Thanks in advance for everyone's great help. My gym is a big >corporate place staffed by teens so i'm not feeling very confident about >asking them all this. >Elaine Judging by the description of your gym you have every right to be nervous about the advice being dispensed there. The Secret of Health Stay away from the doctor, says Hein, MD. http://tinyurl.com/td64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi again and thanks to all who answered my posts. There's been some interesting discussions of late on this topic. I haven't had a chance to view the websites that were suggested. Anyway, I thought someone might be interested to know that I have tried what Dr. M. said to do in my weight training and I do like it more. It's is very hard for me to increase the time to even 8 sec. I seem to average about 4 sec pos and 4 sec neg. Over that I feel like I am straining. Also because I am lifting heavier weights, it takes some momentum to get the weight started and once started it is hard for me to slow down. I am speaking mainly about machines here. But the squat is also hard to slow down. It's harder on my muscles to do it slowly. It also takes a change of mind set that I can actually stop after 4 reps and only do 2 sets. I can lift heavier weights this way, but if too heavy, I can't get the weight started, unless I use more momentum and that goes against the slow theory. So, it will take some trial and error. I'll keep you informed on how it goes. Thanks Suze on the advice on not overdoing it. That's why I stopped after 2 sets and 4 reps. I didn't want to invite trouble. But, that brings up another question. Suzie mentioned feeling some soreness or pain after a typical workout and some mentioned that you shouldn't feel any pain after a workout. I thought that some soreness in the muscle is a sign that the muscle has been worked well. I'm not talking about pain, just some soreness. I thought that if you don't feel some soreness you aren't lifting or doing enough. Could someone with expertise comment on this. Also, how often would be considered adequate for strength training and toning for the average person. I have read that everyday is too much, and some say 1x a week is good, but when I go 2x a week, I don't feel like I am making progress. I don't want to end up breaking muscle down, by working out too much, although I don't think I go enough for that to be a problem. What do most of you consider to be optimum? You can include aerobics in this also and how much time you do aerobics. Thanks in advance, Jafa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 It's is very hard for me to increase the time to even 8 sec. I seem to average about 4 sec pos and 4 sec neg. Over that I feel like I am straining. Also because I am lifting heavier weights, it takes some momentum to get the weight started and once started it is hard for me to slow down. I am speaking mainly about machines here. But the squat is also hard to slow down. It's harder on my muscles to do it slowly. =============Jafa I'm glad to hear your enjoying the change. The fact that your reps are 4+ and 4- are fine provided you feel that you are controlling the weight movement. However the one thing you said that lets me think your weight might be on the too heavy side is that you need momentum to move the weight. You should have to work somewhat hard to move the weight, if you have to " get a running start " so to speak your weights are too heavy. I realize this is all hard to put into words. So take this for what its worth and use it as needed. But if your movements are legitimately slow and controlled throuout the ENTIRE movement then 4+ and 4- is plenty you need not artificially lengthen it. The key is making sure the weight is the heaviest possible but that you are able to move it at that pace throught the ENTIRE range of movement. Another consideration if you're on machines is making sure the seat height and other adjustables are set appropriately for you. It also takes a change of mind set that I can actually stop after 4 reps and only do 2 sets. I can lift heavier weights this way, but if too heavy, I can't get the weight started, unless I use more momentum and that goes against the slow theory. So, it will take some trial and error. I'll keep you informed on how it goes. ===========Sounds like your on the right track. DMM > > Thanks Suze on the advice on not overdoing it. That's why I stopped after 2 sets and 4 reps. I didn't want to invite trouble. > > But, that brings up another question. Suzie mentioned feeling some soreness or pain after a typical workout and some mentioned that you shouldn't feel any pain after a workout. I thought that some soreness in the muscle is a sign that the muscle has been worked well. I'm not talking about pain, just some soreness. I thought that if you don't feel some soreness you aren't lifting or doing enough. Could someone with expertise comment on this. > > Also, how often would be considered adequate for strength training and toning for the average person. I have read that everyday is too much, and some say 1x a week is good, but when I go 2x a week, I don't feel like I am making progress. I don't want to end up breaking muscle down, by working out too much, although I don't think I go enough for that to be a problem. What do most of you consider to be optimum? You can include aerobics in this also and how much time you do aerobics. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jafa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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