RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

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All, Yes, it is about autoimmunity ..... how are we disturbing whole systems of our bodies? How are we upsetting whole applecarts of physiology? This is a question I began asking myself about 35 years ago as I served in the ICUs of some of our major hospitals. This question is how a I came to watch trays being served to patients and saw that many of them did not have meat on them but, to a tray, EVERY ONE of them had some form of dairy on it. Whether it was butter or ice cream or cream soup or just an ordinary glass o milk, they would EACH have some form of dairy on it. That appeared to be the common denominator. As I studied diary, both McDougall and n Whittaker estimated dairy intake to be ~ 60% of an average American's daily protein intake. A food survey that I designed and have been using for the last 15 years shows an average of 3 - 8 times a day the average Oregonian uses some form of dairy daily. That is a lot of on-going heavy proteins and heavy fats and a MULTITUDE of synthetics with EACh intake. Each bite of dairy includes traces of 111 (yes, one hundred and eleven) synthetic medications. Well,actually about 28 of those are from the cow, let me not exaggerate. Those are the hormones designed to build a 600# animal in 15 months! The more I studied what is known about bovine proteins, the worse the picture came. Now, after reading just about anything and everything that has been printed about dairy and its' proteins and hormones, it seems to me that this food is a 'coating' for everything else. All of t his gluten and carbo research is good but I cointinue to wonder what it would be like if researched in bodies without the overlay of the dairy. Seems to me it would be VASTLY different story. Every auto=immune diseases can currently be shown to have a dairy influence .... would the body exhibit these symptoms if the dairy were not present? Before we go much further down the 'declare resolution of autoimmunity disturbances', we need to determine the validity of this influence. It could be one of the major components (beyond lack of chiropractic care) in our American tendency to whole-body disease. my 2 cents this gray am. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: tyna.moore@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000Subject: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Now Coffee is on the hit list. Cross reactivity with gliadin Ab. This is a good post:

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

Cyrex Labs has great information as well: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/Home/tabid/40/Default.aspx

It's not just about Paleo, it's not just about grains, it's about Autoimmunity (I diagnose it at least 3 times a week, at the minimum, far more prevalent than you'd think).

Giving up gluten, no problem. But coffee? That's tragic.

-Tyna , ND, DC

Core Wellness Clinic

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

My take is that it all starts in the gut! A leaky gut. And the leaky gut is the result of excessive exposure to one or many irritants, whether it be gluten, lectins, dairy, franken foods and/or other chemicals... Whatever it is in the affected individual is what it is. But once the gut is compromised then the real trouble begins. And after the trouble has been brewing for a time you can't just go back to where it started because the affected individual has been changed. You need to get more aggressive in restrictions and more "pure" in diet, lifestyle and exercise.My 2 cents. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: tyna.moore@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:09:23 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

All, Yes, it is about autoimmunity ..... how are we disturbing whole systems of our bodies? How are we upsetting whole applecarts of physiology? This is a question I began asking myself about 35 years ago as I served in the ICUs of some of our major hospitals. This question is how a I came to watch trays being served to patients and saw that many of them did not have meat on them but, to a tray, EVERY ONE of them had some form of dairy on it. Whether it was butter or ice cream or cream soup or just an ordinary glass o milk, they would EACH have some form of dairy on it. That appeared to be the common denominator. As I studied diary, both McDougall and n Whittaker estimated dairy intake to be ~ 60% of an average American's daily protein intake. A food survey that I designed and have been using for the last 15 years shows an average of 3 - 8 times a day the average Oregonian uses some form of dairy daily. That is a lot of on-going heavy proteins and heavy fats and a MULTITUDE of synthetics with EACh intake. Each bite of dairy includes traces of 111 (yes, one hundred and eleven) synthetic medications. Well,actually about 28 of those are from the cow, let me not exaggerate. Those are the hormones designed to build a 600# animal in 15 months! The more I studied what is known about bovine proteins, the worse the picture came. Now, after reading just about anything and everything that has been printed about dairy and its' proteins and hormones, it seems to me that this food is a 'coating' for everything else. All of t his gluten and carbo research is good but I cointinue to wonder what it would be like if researched in bodies without the overlay of the dairy. Seems to me it would be VASTLY different story. Every auto=immune diseases can currently be shown to have a dairy influence .... would the body exhibit these symptoms if the dairy were not present? Before we go much further down the 'declare resolution of autoimmunity disturbances', we need to determine the validity of this influence. It could be one of the major components (beyond lack of chiropractic care) in our American tendency to whole-body disease. my 2 cents this gray am. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: tyna.moore@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000Subject: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Now Coffee is on the hit list. Cross reactivity with gliadin Ab. This is a good post:

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

Cyrex Labs has great information as well: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/Home/tabid/40/Default.aspx

It's not just about Paleo, it's not just about grains, it's about Autoimmunity (I diagnose it at least 3 times a week, at the minimum, far more prevalent than you'd think).

Giving up gluten, no problem. But coffee? That's tragic.

-Tyna , ND, DC

Core Wellness Clinic

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is a strong component ... but, to me, the leaky gut is about inadequate nutrition. As I take my fibro people off of animal's milk onto plant milks and increase the cellular fundamental nutrition levels, the gut stuff fades. Which is 'a cause' Idon't really care .... both are obviously needed. The changes of milk source stops the pain factors and the nutrition builds strength, physiology, energy, tissue integrity, the whole 9 yards. SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: dcdocbrian@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:28 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

My take is that it all starts in the gut! A leaky gut. And the leaky gut is the result of excessive exposure to one or many irritants, whether it be gluten, lectins, dairy, franken foods and/or other chemicals... Whatever it is in the affected individual is what it is. But once the gut is compromised then the real trouble begins. And after the trouble has been brewing for a time you can't just go back to where it started because the affected individual has been changed. You need to get more aggressive in restrictions and more "pure" in diet, lifestyle and exercise.My 2 cents. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: tyna.moore@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:09:23 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

All, Yes, it is about autoimmunity ..... how are we disturbing whole systems of our bodies? How are we upsetting whole applecarts of physiology? This is a question I began asking myself about 35 years ago as I served in the ICUs of some of our major hospitals. This question is how a I came to watch trays being served to patients and saw that many of them did not have meat on them but, to a tray, EVERY ONE of them had some form of dairy on it. Whether it was butter or ice cream or cream soup or just an ordinary glass o milk, they would EACH have some form of dairy on it. That appeared to be the common denominator. As I studied diary, both McDougall and n Whittaker estimated dairy intake to be ~ 60% of an average American's daily protein intake. A food survey that I designed and have been using for the last 15 years shows an average of 3 - 8 times a day the average Oregonian uses some form of dairy daily. That is a lot of on-going heavy proteins and heavy fats and a MULTITUDE of synthetics with EACh intake. Each bite of dairy includes traces of 111 (yes, one hundred and eleven) synthetic medications. Well,actually about 28 of those are from the cow, let me not exaggerate. Those are the hormones designed to build a 600# animal in 15 months! The more I studied what is known about bovine proteins, the worse the picture came. Now, after reading just about anything and everything that has been printed about dairy and its' proteins and hormones, it seems to me that this food is a 'coating' for everything else. All of t his gluten and carbo research is good but I cointinue to wonder what it would be like if researched in bodies without the overlay of the dairy. Seems to me it would be VASTLY different story. Every auto=immune diseases can currently be shown to have a dairy influence .... would the body exhibit these symptoms if the dairy were not present? Before we go much further down the 'declare resolution of autoimmunity disturbances', we need to determine the validity of this influence. It could be one of the major components (beyond lack of chiropractic care) in our American tendency to whole-body disease. my 2 cents this gray am. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: tyna.moore@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000Subject: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Now Coffee is on the hit list. Cross reactivity with gliadin Ab. This is a good post:

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

Cyrex Labs has great information as well: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/Home/tabid/40/Default.aspx

It's not just about Paleo, it's not just about grains, it's about Autoimmunity (I diagnose it at least 3 times a week, at the minimum, far more prevalent than you'd think).

Giving up gluten, no problem. But coffee? That's tragic.

-Tyna , ND, DC

Core Wellness Clinic

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

Your treatment follows what I said about not being able to go back where you were but the need to be more stringent. Leaky gut is a result of poor nutrition, pathogens, irritantants, etc. It is also a cause of malabsorption, anemia and a trigger for autoimmune disorders (most if not all). The underlying inflammation caused by whaterver caused the the leaky gut as well the systemic inflammation from excess omega 6/3 ratio and chronic hyperinsulinemia (from excess carbs) and fructose (primarily from HFCS and sucrose) contribute. I personally would not be encouraging soy "milk" (phytoestrogens) as a replacement for the "bovine mammary secretion". Almond "milk"? Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: dcdocbrian@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:23:25 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Yes, that is a strong component ... but, to me, the leaky gut is about inadequate nutrition. As I take my fibro people off of animal's milk onto plant milks and increase the cellular fundamental nutrition levels, the gut stuff fades. Which is 'a cause' Idon't really care .... both are obviously needed. The changes of milk source stops the pain factors and the nutrition builds strength, physiology, energy, tissue integrity, the whole 9 yards. SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: dcdocbrian@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:28 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

My take is that it all starts in the gut! A leaky gut. And the leaky gut is the result of excessive exposure to one or many irritants, whether it be gluten, lectins, dairy, franken foods and/or other chemicals... Whatever it is in the affected individual is what it is. But once the gut is compromised then the real trouble begins. And after the trouble has been brewing for a time you can't just go back to where it started because the affected individual has been changed. You need to get more aggressive in restrictions and more "pure" in diet, lifestyle and exercise.My 2 cents. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: tyna.moore@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:09:23 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

All, Yes, it is about autoimmunity ..... how are we disturbing whole systems of our bodies? How are we upsetting whole applecarts of physiology? This is a question I began asking myself about 35 years ago as I served in the ICUs of some of our major hospitals. This question is how a I came to watch trays being served to patients and saw that many of them did not have meat on them but, to a tray, EVERY ONE of them had some form of dairy on it. Whether it was butter or ice cream or cream soup or just an ordinary glass o milk, they would EACH have some form of dairy on it. That appeared to be the common denominator. As I studied diary, both McDougall and n Whittaker estimated dairy intake to be ~ 60% of an average American's daily protein intake. A food survey that I designed and have been using for the last 15 years shows an average of 3 - 8 times a day the average Oregonian uses some form of dairy daily. That is a lot of on-going heavy proteins and heavy fats and a MULTITUDE of synthetics with EACh intake. Each bite of dairy includes traces of 111 (yes, one hundred and eleven) synthetic medications. Well,actually about 28 of those are from the cow, let me not exaggerate. Those are the hormones designed to build a 600# animal in 15 months! The more I studied what is known about bovine proteins, the worse the picture came. Now, after reading just about anything and everything that has been printed about dairy and its' proteins and hormones, it seems to me that this food is a 'coating' for everything else. All of t his gluten and carbo research is good but I cointinue to wonder what it would be like if researched in bodies without the overlay of the dairy. Seems to me it would be VASTLY different story. Every auto=immune diseases can currently be shown to have a dairy influence .... would the body exhibit these symptoms if the dairy were not present? Before we go much further down the 'declare resolution of autoimmunity disturbances', we need to determine the validity of this influence. It could be one of the major components (beyond lack of chiropractic care) in our American tendency to whole-body disease. my 2 cents this gray am. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: tyna.moore@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000Subject: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Now Coffee is on the hit list. Cross reactivity with gliadin Ab. This is a good post:

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

Cyrex Labs has great information as well: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/Home/tabid/40/Default.aspx

It's not just about Paleo, it's not just about grains, it's about Autoimmunity (I diagnose it at least 3 times a week, at the minimum, far more prevalent than you'd think).

Giving up gluten, no problem. But coffee? That's tragic.

-Tyna , ND, DC

Core Wellness Clinic

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

Hey Sunny. This is kind of a chicken/egg discussion! Regarding lack of nutrients I totally agree--we as a society eat non-foods, food-like substances and denatured foods. What you actually are suggesting is that we eat whole and natural (at least that is my take), or as Chestnut says, "eat a genetically appropriate diet". I don't really think that "heaviness of animal proteins" are the problem, nor do I think animal proteins are necessarily in excess...in fact the data shows we are eating less protein and fat than 30 years ago, and a lot more carbs...and we are more sick and fat. I do think the "meat" is tainted with antibiotics, other toxins and raised in an inhumane manner heavy on grain which promotes excess arachadonic acid production by the animals and consumption by the consumer...but I digress.Simpy put, as Chestnut promotes, Eat well, Move well, Think well! ...And because it is lacking even in "whole and natural" foods, we should probably supplement appropriately. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: dcdocbrian@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:11:40 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Hi , To me, the leaky gut s/s are all pathonemonic of nutrient deficiencies ... Minerals are necessary for vascular integrity along the length of the vessels. Without a good, concisistent supply of all of the trace minerals, smooth muscle (vessel and intestinal walls) does not hold integrity well.... it breaks down and separates .... hence 'leaky' tone. Minerals and Ds and Cs and Bs are under consumed in this country and the allopathic kingdom just wants RDAs, long ago found to be inadequate for a thriving human. The human will survive, that's true, but it will not THRIVE....which is my preference. Then, add the heaviness of the animal proteins, given the level consumed daily and disease is in the making. The body is not able to serve itself...or protect itself. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: dcdocbrian@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:35:18 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Your treatment follows what I said about not being able to go back where you were but the need to be more stringent. Leaky gut is a result of poor nutrition, pathogens, irritantants, etc. It is also a cause of malabsorption, anemia and a trigger for autoimmune disorders (most if not all). The underlying inflammation caused by whaterver caused the the leaky gut as well the systemic inflammation from excess omega 6/3 ratio and chronic hyperinsulinemia (from excess carbs) and fructose (primarily from HFCS and sucrose) contribute. I personally would not be encouraging soy "milk" (phytoestrogens) as a replacement for the "bovine mammary secretion". Almond "milk"? Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: dcdocbrian@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:23:25 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Yes, that is a strong component ... but, to me, the leaky gut is about inadequate nutrition. As I take my fibro people off of animal's milk onto plant milks and increase the cellular fundamental nutrition levels, the gut stuff fades. Which is 'a cause' Idon't really care .... both are obviously needed. The changes of milk source stops the pain factors and the nutrition builds strength, physiology, energy, tissue integrity, the whole 9 yards. SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: dcdocbrian@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:28 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

My take is that it all starts in the gut! A leaky gut. And the leaky gut is the result of excessive exposure to one or many irritants, whether it be gluten, lectins, dairy, franken foods and/or other chemicals... Whatever it is in the affected individual is what it is. But once the gut is compromised then the real trouble begins. And after the trouble has been brewing for a time you can't just go back to where it started because the affected individual has been changed. You need to get more aggressive in restrictions and more "pure" in diet, lifestyle and exercise.My 2 cents. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: tyna.moore@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:09:23 -0700Subject: RE: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

All, Yes, it is about autoimmunity ..... how are we disturbing whole systems of our bodies? How are we upsetting whole applecarts of physiology? This is a question I began asking myself about 35 years ago as I served in the ICUs of some of our major hospitals. This question is how a I came to watch trays being served to patients and saw that many of them did not have meat on them but, to a tray, EVERY ONE of them had some form of dairy on it. Whether it was butter or ice cream or cream soup or just an ordinary glass o milk, they would EACH have some form of dairy on it. That appeared to be the common denominator. As I studied diary, both McDougall and n Whittaker estimated dairy intake to be ~ 60% of an average American's daily protein intake. A food survey that I designed and have been using for the last 15 years shows an average of 3 - 8 times a day the average Oregonian uses some form of dairy daily. That is a lot of on-going heavy proteins and heavy fats and a MULTITUDE of synthetics with EACh intake. Each bite of dairy includes traces of 111 (yes, one hundred and eleven) synthetic medications. Well,actually about 28 of those are from the cow, let me not exaggerate. Those are the hormones designed to build a 600# animal in 15 months! The more I studied what is known about bovine proteins, the worse the picture came. Now, after reading just about anything and everything that has been printed about dairy and its' proteins and hormones, it seems to me that this food is a 'coating' for everything else. All of t his gluten and carbo research is good but I cointinue to wonder what it would be like if researched in bodies without the overlay of the dairy. Seems to me it would be VASTLY different story. Every auto=immune diseases can currently be shown to have a dairy influence .... would the body exhibit these symptoms if the dairy were not present? Before we go much further down the 'declare resolution of autoimmunity disturbances', we need to determine the validity of this influence. It could be one of the major components (beyond lack of chiropractic care) in our American tendency to whole-body disease. my 2 cents this gray am. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: tyna.moore@...Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:41:26 +0000Subject: It's about more than Gluten...this one almost made me cry

Now Coffee is on the hit list. Cross reactivity with gliadin Ab. This is a good post:

http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2011/09/coffee-and-gluten-sensitivity-surprising-news.html

Cyrex Labs has great information as well: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/Home/tabid/40/Default.aspx

It's not just about Paleo, it's not just about grains, it's about Autoimmunity (I diagnose it at least 3 times a week, at the minimum, far more prevalent than you'd think).

Giving up gluten, no problem. But coffee? That's tragic.

-Tyna , ND, DC

Core Wellness Clinic

Portland, OR