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> Isn't there a Price quote, something about no animal in it's

> native state, eating native food, is overweight?

I don't know, but isn't every animal in its native state

working hard to find food, compete for mates, and

avoid getting eaten? Certainly animals stop, at any

given feeding, when they reach the capacity of what

their digestive system can properly digest at one time,

but do they truly not favor, when given a choice, the

more nutrient-rich, and more calorie-rich, including

carbohydrate-rich, food over other when it's available?

> Really, the appestat phenomenon is well-researched. People

> (and animals) DO know when to quit eating, normally. They eat

> according to their activity levels quite exactly. I didn't make it

up!

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that the appestat was

some wacko idea that you invented yourself. I just meant

that I think it's possible that over-eating on carbohydrates

when they were available in abundance, and getting fat

from them, was probably a natural process for primitive

humans. Anyway, see also pages 41 and 42 of the the

document at www.le.ac.uk/ieh/pdf/FORA2.pdf about

how the proportions of protein, fat and carbohydrates

in the diet play a role in appetite regulation.

> Now MY appestat doesn't work very well, but it used to.

> What broke it? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Could it just be that your metabolism is different from

what it was when you were a teenager? Doesn't that happen

to all of us with age?

> >You've never travelled in the third world have you.

> >They stop because they run out of food, and any food

> >they do have they worked very hard to get. In other

> >words, there's a lower ratio of carbohydrates consumed

> >to carbohydrates burned. I once watched a ino

> >friend eat two enormous plates full of rice in about

> >five minutes. There was no gluten at all in his dinner.

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> So was he fat?

He was basically thin all over except for a big belly.

> According to Ori, we DO gorge when we can. But I had a family of

> Philippinos across the street from me, and they ate huge meals.

> They did not work any harder than my family. And they were

> skinnier. They did not lack food and were not poor. They

> may have gorged, but they did not eat more than their bodies

> needed.

But you're basing the notion that they didn't eat more

than their bodies needed, on the fact alone that they

weren't fat. As I pointed out before, that's not

necessarily the case. As I understand it, the inos

are not one of those unusually healthy and longevous peoples

of the world to whom we look as an example of how best to eat.

> Which gets into lack of nutrients ... certainly lack of nutrients

is key!

Certainly, there are many factors in good nutrition besides

carbohydrate content or gluten.

> The issue with gluten is that for a lot of folks in interferes with

> absorption and so causes an artificial lack of nutrients. Besides

> the obvious one that white flour is nutrient-less.

Yes, but glycolysis uses up vitamins and minerals too.