Re: Science News and diabetes

[Guest guest]

here's a related article on celiac and when wheat is first introduced into

an infant's diet:

On Wheat and Weaning

http://www.sciencenews.org/20020525/food.asp

interesting that weaning time can have such a strong effect on the

development of celiac disease in infantss. but i'd guess it would likely

develop later in life for those infants who are genetically predisposed...

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

>On Wheat and Weaning

><http://www.sciencenews.org/20020525/food.asp>http://www.sciencenews.org/200205\

25/food.asp

>

>interesting that weaning time can have such a strong effect on the

>development of celiac disease in infantss. but i'd guess it would likely

>develop later in life for those infants who are genetically predisposed...

It is the same in rats, who are easier to study! Some babies are

so sensitive they react to their mother's breast milk gluten (which

REALLY SHOULD NOT be in the breast milk, BTW, the mother probably

has leaky gut if that happens!). The lack of *diagnoses* makes

everything very speculative at this point ... a lot of people live with

the disease for 60 years or so and in this country, most are never

diagnosed at all.

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Extended breastfeeding and a gradual introduction of gluten-containing cereals

were independently protective, though breastfeeding’s benefit was roughly twice

the magnitude of that from slowly introducing children to cereal. Together,

these factors accounted for 45 percent of the risk of celiac disease among the

Swedish children, the scientists say­meaning that almost half of the cases among

the youngsters might have been prevented. Still to be answered, the scientists

note, is whether those cases would have been eliminated or just postponed.

------------

This also makes me wonder at the effect of economic policies (structuring

society

so most women have to return to work shortly after childbirth, in jobs that make

breastfeeding difficult) on social health. If extended breastfeeding protects

against T1 diabetes, celiac, and a host of other illnesses, maybe we should be

paying Mom's to stay home and be milk cows to SAVE MONEY in the health care

system. I think Sweden is one of those countries where a Mom gets to stay home

and enjoy her kid. Now THAT is a pro-family idea!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Could infant colic be a result of the nursing mother's leaky gut?

This seems to make sense to me, especially if gluten is getting

through to the infant. What do you think?

Sheila

>

> >On Wheat and Weaning

>

><http://www.sciencenews.org/20020525/food.asp>http://www.sciencenews.

org/20020525/food.asp

> >

> >interesting that weaning time can have such a strong effect on the

> >development of celiac disease in infantss. but i'd guess it would

likely

> >develop later in life for those infants who are genetically

predisposed...

>

> It is the same in rats, who are easier to study! Some babies are

> so sensitive they react to their mother's breast milk gluten (which

> REALLY SHOULD NOT be in the breast milk, BTW, the mother probably

> has leaky gut if that happens!). The lack of *diagnoses* makes

> everything very speculative at this point ... a lot of people live

with

> the disease for 60 years or so and in this country, most are never

> diagnosed at all.

>

> ------------

> Extended breastfeeding and a gradual introduction of gluten-

containing cereals were independently protective, though

breastfeeding's benefit was roughly twice the magnitude of that from

slowly introducing children to cereal. Together, these factors

accounted for 45 percent of the risk of celiac disease among the

Swedish children, the scientists say­meaning that almost half of the

cases among the youngsters might have been prevented. Still to be

answered, the scientists note, is whether those cases would have been

eliminated or just postponed.

> ------------

>

> This also makes me wonder at the effect of economic policies

(structuring society

> so most women have to return to work shortly after childbirth, in

jobs that make breastfeeding difficult) on social health. If extended

breastfeeding protects against T1 diabetes, celiac, and a host of

other illnesses, maybe we should be paying Mom's to stay home and be

milk cows to SAVE MONEY in the health care system. I think Sweden is

one of those countries where a Mom gets to stay home and enjoy her

kid. Now THAT is a pro-family idea!

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote on Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:00 AM

<<This also makes me wonder at the effect of economic policies (structuring

society so most women have to return to work shortly after childbirth, in jobs

that make breastfeeding difficult) on social health. If extended breastfeeding

protects against T1 diabetes, celiac, and a host of other illnesses, maybe we

should be paying Mom's to stay home and be milk cows to SAVE MONEY in the health

care system. I think Sweden is one of those countries where a Mom gets to stay

home and enjoy her kid. Now THAT is a pro-family idea!>>

----- many MANY years ago I lived in Holland... a young mother I knew was on a

one year paid maternity leave @ 80% of her last salary before the birth.!!!

here in the UK paid maternity leave is only 3 months... you can take another

three months unpaid... not very encouraging.

Dedy

[Guest guest]

>Could infant colic be a result of the nursing mother's leaky gut?

>This seems to make sense to me, especially if gluten is getting

>through to the infant. What do you think?

>Sheila

According to people on the celiac list, it happens. Some Moms got

diagnosed because their baby got sick! I'd expect that if gluten

gets through, so does a lot of other bad stuff though -- when the Mom

stopped eating gluten probably the leaky gut stopped too,

so I'm not sure what the baby would be reacting to, exactly.

(and for those who want to start an argument here, I am NOT

saying that this is the only cause of infant colic! I'm sure

there are a ton of other reasons too).

Which ALSO sets me to wondering about cow milk. If a grain-fed

cow's stomach exhibits similar problems (getting smooth), do

the cows get " leaky gut " too? If so, how does THAT affect

the milk? This goes way beyond the issues of nutrient

levels. Actually, for me, if the cow is getting wheat and has

leaky gut, I'd be in the same boat as a kid with a celiac Mom ...

which would mean maybe some of the " milk allergy " isn't

to milk at all. Obviously I'm speculating here ...

The gut-brain thing got me thinking too ... I'm pretty sure

your gut knows what is " in there " and finding there is a whole

semi-brain devoted to it makes sense. Does the gut-brain

send back signals saying " don't eat this stuff " or " eat more

of this " and change the appetite? How does it change the need

for, say, seratonin if you are mainly only eating once a day?

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>here in the UK paid maternity leave is only 3 months... you can take another

three months unpaid... not very encouraging.

>

>Dedy

Here in the US you can take 3 months off and they are supposed not to fire you.

Back in the Paleoithic, you sat around camp and tanned hides or

tied your baby to your back and went looking for herbs. A really

good book -- " I should be glad of the pleasure of your company " --

has, in part, Sacajawea's take on the and expedition.

Guessed, of course, but an intelligent guess. Going on a canoe

trip with a newborn? No problem.

Really, our whole idea of an " economy " doesn't make sense

for how humans are made. It treats humans like little robots

designed for the feed and caring of corporations.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>>>>>------------

Extended breastfeeding and a gradual introduction of gluten-containing

cereals were independently protective, though breastfeeding’s benefit was

roughly twice the magnitude of that from slowly introducing children to

cereal. Together, these factors accounted for 45 percent of the risk of

celiac disease among the Swedish children, the scientists say­meaning that

almost half of the cases among the youngsters might have been prevented.

Still to be answered, the scientists note, is whether those cases would have

been eliminated or just postponed.

------------

----->it would be interesting if someone followed these babies into

adulthood to see if they developed celiac disease or T1 diabetes later on.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

RE: Science News and diabetes

>On Wheat and Weaning

><http://www.sciencenews.org/20020525/food.asp>http://www.sciencenews.org/20

020525/food.asp

>

>interesting that weaning time can have such a strong effect on the

>development of celiac disease in infantss. but i'd guess it would likely

>develop later in life for those infants who are genetically predisposed...

It is the same in rats, who are easier to study! Some babies are

so sensitive they react to their mother's breast milk gluten (which

REALLY SHOULD NOT be in the breast milk, BTW, the mother probably

has leaky gut if that happens!). The lack of *diagnoses* makes

everything very speculative at this point ... a lot of people live with

the disease for 60 years or so and in this country, most are never

diagnosed at all.

------------

Extended breastfeeding and a gradual introduction of gluten-containing

cereals were independently protective, though breastfeeding’s benefit was

roughly twice the magnitude of that from slowly introducing children to

cereal. Together, these factors accounted for 45 percent of the risk of

celiac disease among the Swedish children, the scientists say­meaning that

almost half of the cases among the youngsters might have been prevented.

Still to be answered, the scientists note, is whether those cases would have

been eliminated or just postponed.

------------

This also makes me wonder at the effect of economic policies (structuring

society

so most women have to return to work shortly after childbirth, in jobs that

make breastfeeding difficult) on social health. If extended breastfeeding

protects against T1 diabetes, celiac, and a host of other illnesses, maybe

we should be paying Mom's to stay home and be milk cows to SAVE MONEY in the

health care system. I think Sweden is one of those countries where a Mom

gets to stay home and enjoy her kid. Now THAT is a pro-family idea!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

At 05:42 AM 10/11/2003, you wrote:

>>>>>>------------

>Extended breastfeeding and a gradual introduction of gluten-containing

>cereals were independently protective, though breastfeeding’s benefit was

>roughly twice the magnitude of that from slowly introducing children to

>cereal. Together, these factors accounted for 45 percent of the risk of

>celiac disease among the Swedish children, the scientists say­meaning that

>almost half of the cases among the youngsters might have been prevented.

>Still to be answered, the scientists note, is whether those cases would have

>been eliminated or just postponed.

>------------

>

>----->it would be interesting if someone followed these babies into

>adulthood to see if they developed celiac disease or T1 diabetes later on.

I agree. In rats, they found that if they stopped the gluten after a certain age

and put them on a different diet that *fewer* developed T1 diabetes.

It makes more sense to me to identify which kids are at risk and

feed them sorghum. Celiac can be reversed, but once you lose your

pancreas it is GONE.

-- Heidi