Re: Purnes & high carb diets- More

October 15, 2003

In a message dated 10/15/03 5:41:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

katielong6@... writes:

> Basically, it really makes sense to me that basing our diets on those

> of primitive, healthy tribes would be the best way to go. However

> there was a great variety of foods and percentages of macronutrients

> between these tribes, mainly depending on location. Metabolic typing

> seemed like a good idea to me. Did any tribes eat a diet like the one

> I previously mentioned?

No.

Chris

October 15, 2003

,

I don't know much at all about purines but healthy people are sustained by a

variety of diets so there's probably not 'THE ONE' answer... it's a multi

faceted affair...

your cycle will return eventually... it took a while for it to stop and it'll be

a while before it comes back...

you asked <<Are healthy people predisposed to a diet low in purines? Are healthy

people predisposed to a low fat diet?>>

--- the answer is probably no....

you mentioned in a previous post that <<I eat vegetables, coconut products,

fermented grain porridges, some fruit (really only blueberries)>>

--- why do you only eat blueberries?

<<I do not consider my current diet to be " ideal " in that I believe it should

include more animal products (but I still am grossed out eating flesh foods

except for some fish once in great while, which I don't enjoy).>>

----- I was a vegetarian for 21 yrs and couldn't even touch 'dead animals'...

that's all turned 180 deg. 3 yrs ago... my health suffered badly and has

improved by going NT... give yourself time to go from being a vegan to NT...

have you tried cooking 'flesh' in a way that will not visually remind you it

used to be a sentient being?... making meat balls from grass-fed mince might be

easier than eating liver if you get my drift... also, try a variety of fish

recipes from different cuisines to make it more interesting including fish paté.

<<My problem comes in with this new diet which doesn't allow any of those foods.

Also my current diet is very high fat and wouldn't be " allowed " either.>>

---- if the shoe doesn't fit try another... if you can't achieve the desired

result with your 'new' set of tools, get another set... use that pinch of salt

you mentioned earlier... this new diet obviously doesn't suit you physically and

emotionally -- change it... you've taken the first steps to taking

responsibility for your own health and well being -- keep it up !

all the best,

Dedy

October 16, 2003

,

My mother is haveing very similar problems except she's quite a bit

older than you (77). She a very strong carb type.

She has become very sick eating animal fats (except for the raw

butter oil and some cream) She cannot tolerate raw dairy even

kefired. Fats like bacon will make her very, very ill. I've looked

for purine information for her and you're correct ..there isn't much

out there short of the gout stuff. She also has alkaline blood which

I can find next to nothing on that either and chronic systemic yeast

problems. She gets severe acid indigestion, stomach problems,

narcoleptic attacks, and fatigue when she eaten the wrong foods. And

it happens quickly.

This is what she can eat that does not bother her. It doesn't make

sense in terms of metabolic typing but she never seems to get ill on

these animal foods.

cod liver oil

lots of raw butter oil

small amounts of red meat cooked very, very rare or just raw and

warmed

raw lamb liver frozen into teeny pills (she cannot take them in a

tonic or gets heartburn)

homemade chicken broth with most the fat scooped off

egg yolk mixed with a bit of coconut oil and berries

She cannot eat salmon but will eat a low fat white fish with butter

oil drizzled on it.

I wish I had more information to tell you. I've really searched the

net for my mom including our university lib. system. I haven't come

up with much so it's kinda trial and error getting animal fats into

her body. She follows the metabolic plan but modifies it with what

she can.

I do recall Dr. Dr. Marasco's saying that he has been able to

eventually get people back on animal fats in one of his posts, When

you have time you may want to do a search on his name.

In terms of your periods beginning again I would wonder at your age

if you simply need to wait a bit longer. You're not that far past

puberty and maybe you simply threw your body back a few years

hormonally.

I remember at 17 I did not have regular periods but by the time I was

19 they were like clockwork.

I hope there's some pieces in here that will help you!

Take care,

Lynn

> My post didn't seem to get much of a response..

>

> I'll make it simple.

>

> Does anyone know much about purines- are many people sensitive to

> them? Are healthy people predisposed to a diet low in purines?

>

> Are healthy people predisposed to a low fat diet?

>

> Honestly I don't know much about purines other than that people

with

> gout or kidney problems need to avoid them. I also don't know if

low

> fat diets are actually good for some people.

>

> Basically, it really makes sense to me that basing our diets on

those

> of primitive, healthy tribes would be the best way to go. However

> there was a great variety of foods and percentages of

macronutrients

> between these tribes, mainly depending on location. Metabolic

typing

> seemed like a good idea to me. Did any tribes eat a diet like the

one

> I previously mentioned?

>

> I think I am more confused than when I first posted

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

October 16, 2003

Thank you for your advice, Lynn! I will keep this in mind as I try

out different animal foods. I don't know whether my tolerance of them

may be hindered because I have avoided them for so long. However, I

am not sure that I have a problem with animal fats in general. The

dairy reaction was, I assumed, just that- a dairy allergy of some

sort. I never actually felt sick after eating dairy. It was the rash

that clued me in that I may have an allergy to it. Dairy was actually

the first animal food I added to my diet (raw cheese), and it was the

main thing that improved my health. The only instant reaction I had

to any of the raw dairy was raw cows cream (unfermented), which gave

me some mucus. I had no problem with fermented cows milk products.

For all I know the rash could be from something else, but because I

also noticed some skin problems, I assumed it was the dairy. It

*could* be animal fats in general, though.

> She has become very sick eating animal fats

I can get a little sick eating too much of *any* fat.. not just

animal fat But it takes a *lot* of fat for me to feel sick. I

haven't tested eating a lot of animal fats as of yet. Though I did

eat a ton of sour cream one night with no problems.... and now that I

think about it, I also ate about a stick of butter a few times with

artichoke. I did notice a change in my skin again, but no stomach

problems. I think animal fats tend to make (my) skin oily (which

results in some pimples).. as opposed to vegetable fats which don't

seem to have this effect. Has anyone noticed this? Maybe I don't have

an allergy?

> She cannot eat salmon but will eat a low fat white fish with butter

> oil drizzled on it.

I don't have a problem with salmon. It is, in fact, the only fish I

eat most of the time.

> I do recall Dr. Dr. Marasco's saying that he has been able to

> eventually get people back on animal fats in one of his posts, When

> you have time you may want to do a search on his name.

Thank you, I will look into this. Though I don't seem to have any

real problems with it, it wouldn't hurt to try and improve my

absorption of animal foods.

> In terms of your periods beginning again I would wonder at your age

> if you simply need to wait a bit longer. You're not that far past

> puberty and maybe you simply threw your body back a few years

> hormonally.

> I remember at 17 I did not have regular periods but by the time I

was

> 19 they were like clockwork.

I had my period for about a year.. and surprisingly they *were* like

clockwork! Same day every month! Then I started exercising, but

couldn't keep my weight up at that point. I haven't had a period

since, even after gaining weight (which I have in the past, but

wasn't able to maintain it as a vegan).

>

> I hope there's some pieces in here that will help you!

Thanks Lynn!

> > My post didn't seem to get much of a response..

> >

> > I'll make it simple.

> >

> > Does anyone know much about purines- are many people sensitive to

> > them? Are healthy people predisposed to a diet low in purines?

> >

> > Are healthy people predisposed to a low fat diet?

> >

> > Honestly I don't know much about purines other than that people

> with

> > gout or kidney problems need to avoid them. I also don't know if

> low

> > fat diets are actually good for some people.

> >

> > Basically, it really makes sense to me that basing our diets on

> those

> > of primitive, healthy tribes would be the best way to go. However

> > there was a great variety of foods and percentages of

> macronutrients

> > between these tribes, mainly depending on location. Metabolic

> typing

> > seemed like a good idea to me. Did any tribes eat a diet like the

> one

> > I previously mentioned?

> >

> > I think I am more confused than when I first posted

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

October 16, 2003

Dedy,

> --- why do you only eat blueberries?

I simply don't have a taste for sweet fruits at ALL. I ate a low-

glycemic diet for awhile in the past for candida- which I found out I

don't have (I guess it was a moneymaking scam by another ND I saw in

the past- last I saw him he said I still had candida.. lol.. where

are the symptoms?) Because of this I lost my taste for sweet foods. I

don't even like most berries other than blueberries. Particularly

wild organic blueberries (frozen) from vitalchoice.com. I do like to

sweeten things with stevia.

> your cycle will return eventually... it took a while for it to stop

and it'll be a while before it comes back...

Actually it stopped suddenly when I started excercising regularly.

Before that it had been oddly regular (started the same day every

month) considering it was the first year I had it. I haven't had it

once since then.

> ----- I was a vegetarian for 21 yrs and couldn't even touch 'dead

animals'... that's all turned 180 deg. 3 yrs ago... my health

suffered badly and has improved by going NT... give yourself time to

go from being a vegan to NT... have you tried cooking 'flesh' in a

way that will not visually remind you it used to be a sentient

being?... making meat balls from grass-fed mince might be easier than

eating liver if you get my drift... also, try a variety of fish

recipes from different cuisines to make it more interesting including

fish paté.

Thanks for the ideas! I tried steak tartare about a week ago.. it

tasted nothing like meat, but as I chewed my first bite, I kept

thinking about how I was eating cow.. and I had to spit it into my

napkin. Luckily I had only ordered a sample of it! Oh well, I will

just have to be patient.

> ---- if the shoe doesn't fit try another... if you can't achieve

the desired result with your 'new' set of tools, get another set...

use that pinch of salt you mentioned earlier... this new diet

obviously doesn't suit you physically and emotionally -- change it...

you've taken the first steps to taking responsibility for your own

health and well being -- keep it up !

Thanks again, Dedy! You guys are great!

> ,

> I don't know much at all about purines but healthy people are

sustained by a variety of diets so there's probably not 'THE ONE'

answer... it's a multi faceted affair...

> your cycle will return eventually... it took a while for it to stop

and it'll be a while before it comes back...

> you asked <<Are healthy people predisposed to a diet low in

purines? Are healthy people predisposed to a low fat diet?>>

> --- the answer is probably no....

> you mentioned in a previous post that <<I eat vegetables, coconut

products, fermented grain porridges, some fruit (really only

blueberries)>>

> --- why do you only eat blueberries?

>

> <<I do not consider my current diet to be " ideal " in that I believe

it should include more animal products (but I still am grossed out

eating flesh foods except for some fish once in great while, which I

don't enjoy).>>