Re: Re: CR/F-F/etc Warrior Diet and exercise

[Guest guest]

it hink ppl take the word exercise too much to how it is viewed in todays

society.

exercise can also be you just being active.

( doing daily chores, walking ect ect )

exercise doesnt have to mean pounding yourself at the gym, doing long runs

ect

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From: filikara [mailto:filippa91@...]

Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: CR/F-F/etc Warrior Diet and exercise

How about Warrior Diet if you don't do exercise and have a fairly

sedentary life? I can't imagine gaining muscle if you don't do

anything to create muscle in the first place. I know he recommends

exercise 3 to 4 times a week but some people just can't motivate

themselves to exercise so is WD not for them?

Filippa

> Eating a big breakfast is NOT the Warrior Diet in any way.

>

> You will not lose muscle if you undereat during the day. Rather,

you will

> start gaining muscle. Undereating stimulates growth potential,

which is

> activated by overeating. The anabolic cycle can't be completed

without the latter

> part, and has an extremely low potential without the former part.

>

> Why don't you split breakfast in half and eat the other half for

lunch? The

> WD doesn't mean eating nothing for as long as you can, it means

undereating

> for 20 hours and overeating for four hours. Undereating just

means eating less

> than you normally would. Ideally you eat very small amounts and

most

> importantly you don't eat high-glycemic fruits, starches, or

sugar, but you start by

> just eating less.

>

> Eating a giant breakfast to try to hold you over through lunch

seems rather

> anti-instinctual. It would be more useful to eat whatever stops

your immediate

> hunger for breakfast and nothing more, and don't eat until you get

hungry

> again, but eat as soon as you do, and again, nothing more than

what you need to

> stop your hunger.

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/14/03 10:03:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

filippa91@... writes:

> How about Warrior Diet if you don't do exercise and have a fairly

> sedentary life? I can't imagine gaining muscle if you don't do

> anything to create muscle in the first place. I know he recommends

> exercise 3 to 4 times a week but some people just can't motivate

> themselves to exercise so is WD not for them?

If you're not exercising, you're not really doing the WD ;-)

Chris

[Guest guest]

>> > How about Warrior Diet if you don't do exercise and have a fairly

>> > sedentary life? I can't imagine gaining muscle if you don't do

>> > anything to create muscle in the first place. I know he recommends

>> > exercise 3 to 4 times a week but some people just can't motivate

>> > themselves to exercise so is WD not for them?

>>

>> If you're not exercising, you're not really doing the WD ;-)

>>

>> Chris

However, if you DO the diet you may find you have more energy and thus move more

(even if you aren't doing crunches). I get a LOT of exercise just doing house

stuff, though I don't usually call it exercise. I find now that if I eat a

" real " lunch I feel sedated -- kind of like if I sleep all day I feel just

awful. I don't do the kind of " Warrior exercises " Ori recommends -- at my age

and state of being I CAN'T do anything near that -- but I can do Taekwando move

and weights.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 10/15/03 2:40:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> then i just had a little kimchi and chicken stock about a half hour

> ago, and i can't believe how sleepy and unmotivated to exercise i am.

Really? I'd expect the protein to be energizing. Maybe it's the calcium?

> maybe for those of us doing the WD, our bodies have adjusted to not eating

> much during the day, and when we do, it drags us down? i don't think that

> applies to everyone though. lots of folks eat during the day and aren't

> sleepy or unmotivated. but maybe it would to those with sluggish digestion.

Well, you told me at the dinner before the WAPF conference that you had less

energy working out the more you ate before, and that was way before you

started the WD. Overeating stimulates the parasympathetic nervous system, which

is

not conducive to exercising by any means. Christie is simply not

*over*eating.

By the way, can you share your experience with the milk fast? Do you think

you benefited from it?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>>>>> ummm, can you elaborate on this? I have no problem being

motivated to exercise while eating meals during the day. And since nearly

everyone who exercises DOES eat meals during the day, I'm having trouble

following you here..

---->i was right in the middle of debating whether to go to the gym or not

when this post came in. i normally have no debate and feel like going, but

since having a snack i'm sooooo sleepy i just want to fall into bed. LOL

i just came off of a week-long milk fast, where i consumed nothing but raw

milk, cream, kefir and yogurt - drinking/eating it about every half hour or

hour as per " the milk cure " , and i was sleepy most of the time. yesterday

was my first day back on the WD, and i only had a few handfuls of nuts and a

few dried cranberries during the day and had great energy. today i had a raw

egg, a handful of nuts, and some swigs of kefir with my supplements in the

morning. then i just had a little kimchi and chicken stock about a half hour

ago, and i can't believe how sleepy and unmotivated to exercise i am.

maybe for those of us doing the WD, our bodies have adjusted to not eating

much during the day, and when we do, it drags us down? i don't think that

applies to everyone though. lots of folks eat during the day and aren't

sleepy or unmotivated. but maybe it would to those with sluggish digestion.

now, should i nap or go to the gym? LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

,

I'm glad you had good experience gaining weight. It makes perfect sense that

you gained muscle without exercise. This won't continue very long, but it's

reasonable that the exercise you already do without realizing it demands

muscle mass that your previous diet wasn't capable of creating.

However, it is unlikely that the WD would cause fat gain in people who need

to lose it. Probably the reverse.

Either way, you can't optimize your health without exercise, and Ori

Hofmekler is I think the first diet guru I've seen so far that has actually came

out

and said this, and made exercise actually part of the regime, rather than

trying to make money telling people what they want to hear-- that they can lose

weight and be healthy while putting in no effort whatsoever.

Chris

In a message dated 10/15/03 7:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

katielong6@... writes:

> I agree with this- however I found the WD to be very helpful for me-

> to gain weight! I would think if your goal is to lose weight (body

> fat) on the WD, exercise would be necessary. However if you actually

> need some body fat, you can do the WD without exercise. I guess this

> wouldn't apply to many except for underweight females.. since men

> need very little body fat.

>

> On a side note, I noticed that along with gaining much needed body

> fat, I also gained muscle without exercising. It is visible, and I am

> much stronger. Now I'll really be doing the WD when I start

> exercising..

>

[Guest guest]

>> now, should i nap or go to the gym? LOL <<

LOL... hmmm. Tough call. <G>

My rule of thumb is, if I didn't get enough sleep the night before, I nap. If I

did, I suck it up and go the gym. <G>

Exercise, of course, REALLY wakes you up!

So, which did you end up doing????

Christie

[Guest guest]

>>>>My rule of thumb is, if I didn't get enough sleep the night before, I

nap. If I did, I suck it up and go the gym. <G>

Exercise, of course, REALLY wakes you up!

So, which did you end up doing????

------->gym. LOL! but mainly because i was craving some milk and since i had

to go downtown to pick up some fresh milk, i figured i might as well stop by

the gym and workout. i felt fine once i got there!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/03 9:46:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> " Calling all couch potatos: If you're not getting regular exercise, you

aren'

> t following the Atkins Nutritional Approach. It's that simple. " (Chapter

22:

> Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable " , Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, Dr.

> Atkins.)

Well that's good to know. I haven't read the whole book but I flipped

through some of it, read the FAQs, etc, and he did seem to put down lots of the

myths like you don't have to eat veggies and whatnot. That said, WD seems to

incorporate exercise in a somewhat unique way, in that specific routines are

recomended etc.

But I wasn't trying to down Atkins or anything. I had in mind the Zone,

which does say right on the cover that you can lose weight without exercising.

I

think people get this as the take-away message from these books regardless of

what the author says, anyway.

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

I totally agree with that. But you *do* exercise, so the point is moot with

you. And I'm sure you agree there is more to health than weight loss.

Chris

In a message dated 10/16/03 12:15:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

hjillcoy@... writes:

> jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without

exercise.

> i've not varied my routine (athletic type yoga, walking, some ab work) one

> bit in the past year and have experienced large weight fluctuation as i

went

> from vegan to omni (with way too much wheat and yucky processed type

things)

> to healthy ominvore (NT type diet....i eat like suze who said she eats

meat,

> veggies, and taters basically). i started as vegan and carried a little

> extra weight on hips and thighs and esp. my stomach---it was not flat. i

> then went a little nutty when i came off the vegan diet and here i gained

> weight and put it onto my hips, thighs, butt. now that i am eating a high

> proportion of healthy meat, lots of veggies, and minimal carbs/starchy

things

> i am as lean as i was in high school and my stomach is quite flat. i still

> and always did eat with a large appetite and can easilyeat more than my dh.

> so i wanted to pipe in that i generally feel that diet is more important

than

> exercise

> as far as what we weigh. and this from someone who loves to exercise and

> insists on doing it every morning.

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/03 12:18:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> What's hysterically funny is that I hated the Zone when I was a vegetarian

> too, becaues I thought it was too meat-centric. And now I think it's not

meat-

> centric enough. <G>

I guess you'd missed " The Soy Zone, " which, according to the flap, is " The

healthiest Zone diet ever! "

Chris

[Guest guest]

>> Either way, you can't optimize your health without exercise, and Ori

Hofmekler is I think the first diet guru I've seen so far that has actually came

out

and said this, and made exercise actually part of the regime, rather than

trying to make money telling people what they want to hear-- that they can lose

weight and be healthy while putting in no effort whatsoever. <<

" Calling all couch potatos: If you're not getting regular exercise, you aren't

following the Atkins Nutritional Approach. It's that simple. " (Chapter 22:

Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable " , Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, Dr.

Atkins.)

Christie

[Guest guest]

>> then i just had a little kimchi and chicken stock about a half hour

>> ago, and i can't believe how sleepy and unmotivated to exercise i am.

>

>Really? I'd expect the protein to be energizing. Maybe it's the calcium?

Chicken stock makes me sleepy too. Tryptophan maybe. Ori prefers

raw stuff during the day and I've been sticking more to jerky and

salads and fruit and nuts. I started having broths at night and they

knock me out! Also make me very full. But I love 'em.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without exercise.

i've not varied my routine (athletic type yoga, walking, some ab work) one bit

in the past year and have experienced large weight fluctuation as i went from

vegan to omni (with way too much wheat and yucky processed type things) to

healthy ominvore (NT type diet....i eat like suze who said she eats meat,

veggies, and taters basically). i started as vegan and carried a little extra

weight on hips and thighs and esp. my stomach---it was not flat. i then went a

little nutty when i came off the vegan diet and here i gained weight and put it

onto my hips, thighs, butt. now that i am eating a high proportion of healthy

meat, lots of veggies, and minimal carbs/starchy things i am as lean as i was in

high school and my stomach is quite flat. i still and always did eat with a

large appetite and can easilyeat more than my dh. so i wanted to pipe in that i

generally feel that diet is more important than exercise

as far as what we weigh. and this from someone who loves to exercise and

insists on doing it every morning.

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:In a message dated 10/15/03 9:46:20 PM Eastern

Daylight Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> " Calling all couch potatos: If you're not getting regular exercise, you

aren'

> t following the Atkins Nutritional Approach. It's that simple. " (Chapter

22:

> Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable " , Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, Dr.

> Atkins.)

Well that's good to know. I haven't read the whole book but I flipped

through some of it, read the FAQs, etc, and he did seem to put down lots of the

myths like you don't have to eat veggies and whatnot. That said, WD seems to

incorporate exercise in a somewhat unique way, in that specific routines are

recomended etc.

But I wasn't trying to down Atkins or anything. I had in mind the Zone,

which does say right on the cover that you can lose weight without exercising.

I

think people get this as the take-away message from these books regardless of

what the author says, anyway.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>> But I wasn't trying to down Atkins or anything. I had in mind the Zone,

which does say right on the cover that you can lose weight without exercising.

I

think people get this as the take-away message from these books regardless of

what the author says, anyway. <<

Yes, the Zone is one of my pet peeves for that reason too.

What's hysterically funny is that I hated the Zone when I was a vegetarian too,

becaues I thought it was too meat-centric. And now I think it's not meat-centric

enough. <G>

Some of us are just never happy.

Christie

[Guest guest]

yes, i do! (agree there is more to health)

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: ,

I totally agree with that. But you *do* exercise, so the point is moot with

you. And I'm sure you agree there is more to health than weight loss.

Chris

In a message dated 10/16/03 12:15:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

hjillcoy@... writes:

> jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without

exercise.

> i've not varied my routine (athletic type yoga, walking, some ab work) one

> bit in the past year and have experienced large weight fluctuation as i

went

> from vegan to omni (with way too much wheat and yucky processed type

things)

> to healthy ominvore (NT type diet....i eat like suze who said she eats

meat,

> veggies, and taters basically). i started as vegan and carried a little

> extra weight on hips and thighs and esp. my stomach---it was not flat. i

> then went a little nutty when i came off the vegan diet and here i gained

> weight and put it onto my hips, thighs, butt. now that i am eating a high

> proportion of healthy meat, lots of veggies, and minimal carbs/starchy

things

> i am as lean as i was in high school and my stomach is quite flat. i still

> and always did eat with a large appetite and can easilyeat more than my dh.

> so i wanted to pipe in that i generally feel that diet is more important

than

> exercise

> as far as what we weigh. and this from someone who loves to exercise and

> insists on doing it every morning.

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

yes, i do! (agree there is more to health)

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:,

I totally agree with that. But you *do* exercise, so the point is moot with

you. And I'm sure you agree there is more to health than weight loss.

Chris

In a message dated 10/16/03 12:15:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

hjillcoy@... writes:

> jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without

exercise.

> i've not varied my routine (athletic type yoga, walking, some ab work) one

> bit in the past year and have experienced large weight fluctuation as i

went

> from vegan to omni (with way too much wheat and yucky processed type

things)

> to healthy ominvore (NT type diet....i eat like suze who said she eats

meat,

> veggies, and taters basically). i started as vegan and carried a little

> extra weight on hips and thighs and esp. my stomach---it was not flat. i

> then went a little nutty when i came off the vegan diet and here i gained

> weight and put it onto my hips, thighs, butt. now that i am eating a high

> proportion of healthy meat, lots of veggies, and minimal carbs/starchy

things

> i am as lean as i was in high school and my stomach is quite flat. i still

> and always did eat with a large appetite and can easilyeat more than my dh.

> so i wanted to pipe in that i generally feel that diet is more important

than

> exercise

> as far as what we weigh. and this from someone who loves to exercise and

> insists on doing it every morning.

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

-

>jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without exercise.

There's no doubt about it. I think the issue is more whether you should do

without exercise, that's all.

-

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/03 1:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jopollack2001@... writes:

> It's only in his latest edition that Atkins says we

> must exercise. The edition of the book I started on

> (1997 I think?) says exercise is optional. This could

> be the edition you read.

No, I read *parts* of the one Christie (The " New " ...) quoted. Still, it

hardly matches the emphasis the WD puts.

What I like about the WD is the primary goal is not weight loss or even

general health, but vitality, mental and physical perfection.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/03 4:13:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> ROFL, yes, somehow I missed that.

>

> Is this for real?

Yeah, he claims that the reason the Okinawans live so long is they consume an

average of 100 grams of soy protein a day, because soy protein is lower in

essential amino acids than animal protein, and therefore stimulates less

insulin. He says if you worry about the phytoesterogens giving you cancer or

brain

degeneration, simply make sure to get 30% of your soy protein from processed

soy protein such as soy protein isolate.

Chris

[Guest guest]

--- ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > In a message

dated 10/15/03 9:46:20 PM Eastern

>

> Well that's good to know. I haven't read the whole

> book but I flipped

> through some of it, read the FAQs, etc, and he did

> seem to put down lots of the

> myths like you don't have to eat veggies and

> whatnot. That said, WD seems to

> incorporate exercise in a somewhat unique way, in

> that specific routines are

> recomended etc.

>

It's only in his latest edition that Atkins says we

must exercise. The edition of the book I started on

(1997 I think?) says exercise is optional. This could

be the edition you read.

Jo

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[Guest guest]

>I agree with this- however I found the WD to be very helpful for me-

>to gain weight! I would think if your goal is to lose weight (body

>fat) on the WD, exercise would be necessary. However if you actually

>need some body fat, you can do the WD without exercise. I guess this

>wouldn't apply to many except for underweight females.. since men

>need very little body fat.

I haven't found this at all. I've gained some muscle, lost some fat,

but I'm not gaining weight, and at the moment I'm not exercising

(due to a lot of complicated factors, including a cold). It's probably

an individual thing -- if you gain weight on it, you might need

to change the types of food a bit (and be sure you follow

the food order -- salad, then protein, then carbs, no sugar).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>Heidi,

>

>Couldn't you build up to it?

>

>-

Well sure, and I am. But when I first was recovering from

my second pregnancy, I couldn't even take the stairs

one at a time. Now I'm up to Taekwando. Leg lifts are

a bit away still, I think! And I've never in my life been

able to do a chin-up, but it's a good goal. But I can't

get to a gym at this point -- having kids makes it harder --

so I do what I can do without the equipment.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>> jumping in here but i *do* believe that you can lose weight without exercise.

i've not varied my routine (athletic type yoga, walking, some ab work) <<

But you ARE exercising. What you're saying is that if you address the diet you

won't have to CHANGE your amount of exercise. But I don't believe you can be

really healthy, and have HEALTHY weight loss, without some level of physical

activity. I don't think we're just talking about weight loss here. We are

talking about HEALTH.

Christie

[Guest guest]

>> I guess you'd missed " The Soy Zone, " which, according to the flap, is " The

healthiest Zone diet ever! " <<

ROFL, yes, somehow I missed that.

Is this for real?

Christie