scat queen was the emperor's poop smells sweet was floaters vs sinkers

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hey, heidi--

> I've thought of doing a writup on it ... maybe under a pen name. <

ella fitzgerald? or some porn star. might boost sales <g>

re my mom's sweet-smelling loose poop

> It also is loose if you eat plums or hydrophilic fruit, or take

metamucil, in which case it isn't a bad sign at all. <

what about apricots? my mom eats a fair amount of LF (raw) apricot

butter, which is one of the few LF condiments i can get in her.

or honey?

i researched a little on the smell problem(?): breastfed babies have

sweet-smelling poop, but breast milk doesn't form part of my mom's

diet. i suspect that the sweet smell was due to undigested millet. i

couldn't get my millet to cook sufficiently w/sally's recipe and my

electric range, so i doubled the amount of water, and that seems to

have worked. and the only other sites i found re sweet-smelling poop

were about coprophagic dogs, who, according to the sites, are

attracted to the sweet smell of undigested grains. (from my

experience, though, i think that canine coprophagia has more to do

w/lack of vit K/alfalfa.)

thanks again, heidi--

allene

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>> I've thought of doing a writup on it ... maybe under a pen name. <

>

>ella fitzgerald? or some porn star. might boost sales <g>

I could see the theme song now ...

> It also is loose if you eat plums or hydrophilic fruit, or take

>metamucil, in which case it isn't a bad sign at all. <

>

>what about apricots? my mom eats a fair amount of LF (raw) apricot

>butter, which is one of the few LF condiments i can get in her.

>

>or honey?

I think those would make it softer (which is usually a good thing).

>i researched a little on the smell problem(?): breastfed babies have

>sweet-smelling poop, but breast milk doesn't form part of my mom's

>diet. i suspect that the sweet smell was due to undigested millet. i

>couldn't get my millet to cook sufficiently w/sally's recipe and my

>electric range, so i doubled the amount of water, and that seems to

>have worked. and the only other sites i found re sweet-smelling poop

>were about coprophagic dogs, who, according to the sites, are

>attracted to the sweet smell of undigested grains. (from my

>experience, though, i think that canine coprophagia has more to do

>w/lack of vit K/alfalfa.)

Interesting. Millet (and all grains) can be hard to digest ... making it into

more of a gruel is a good idea. BTW the Chinese have this

overcooked rice gruel they eat a lot, I made some (just boil some

rice for a long time in broth) and added a bit of meat and it was

quite good. I suspect it could be made with any grain, and

it seems to digest quite nicely.

It's interesting that undigested grains would smell SWEET though.

Maybe some reaction like happens in rice to make azuki? (if that

is the right word). Usually when grains ferment they go sour.

But if they split apart another way they would make sugars.

-- Heidi

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Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote >

<<BTW the Chinese have this overcooked rice gruel they eat a lot, I made some

(just boil some rice for a long time in broth) and added a bit of meat and it

was quite good. I suspect it could be made with any grain, and it seems to

digest quite nicely.>>

--- methinks it's called congee....

<<It's interesting that undigested grains would smell SWEET though. Maybe some

reaction like happens in rice to make azuki? (if that is the right word). >>

----- amazaki.... it's fermented rice... and yes, it becomes sweet... I really

like it... sometimes mix it with coconut milk to make a kind of

'coconut-milk-shake'... it's hard to believe, taste wise, that there's no added

sugar or other sweetener in there...

Dedy

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" Rundle " <Dpdg@b...> wrote:

> ----- amazaki.... it's fermented rice... and yes, it becomes

sweet... I really like it... sometimes mix it with coconut milk to

make a kind of 'coconut-milk-shake'... it's hard to believe, taste

wise, that there's no added sugar or other sweetener in there...

>

> Dedy

Dedy, do you make amazaki yourself or do you buy it? I've had it in

Japan at zen temples and such places - divine.... would love to

know how to make it!

Filippa

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><<BTW the Chinese have this overcooked rice gruel they eat a lot, I made some

(just boil some rice for a long time in broth) and added a bit of meat and it

was quite good. I suspect it could be made with any grain, and it seems to

digest quite nicely.>>

>--- methinks it's called congee....

Yep! That was it. Just couldn't think of the name.

><<It's interesting that undigested grains would smell SWEET though. Maybe some

reaction like happens in rice to make azuki? (if that is the right word). >>

>----- amazaki.... it's fermented rice... and yes, it becomes sweet... I really

like it... sometimes mix it with coconut milk to make a kind of

'coconut-milk-shake'... it's hard to believe, taste wise, that there's no added

sugar or other sweetener in there...

Yep again. Sheesh I'm not batting well on words today.

I think the concept of turning starches into sugars was known in the past ...

malt is from sprouted grain and it is SWEET. But amazaki IS sugar -- a starch is

a couple of sugars pasted together (to put it colloquially) and when you eat

starch it turns into sugar pretty quickly, which is why rice and potatoes have

such a high glycemic index.

-- Heidi

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filikara wrote -

<Dedy, do you make amazaki yourself or do you buy it? I've had it in Japan at

zen temples and such places - divine.... would love to know how to make it!>

---Even if I knew how to make it I wouldn't dare as I find it SOOOOO

addictive... I can eat a jar-full in one sitting....then I go into a blissful

'carb-coma'....

my local healthfood shops have organic amazaki made just of rice, or millet and

koji culture, that's all!... both delicious... .. mostly I stop and stare at the

jars on the shelves, sigh, tell myself off and leave... nobody in my family

likes it so can't share...

Dedy

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OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh I envy you. I'm sure we can't get here in

Australia. (Joanne (wes@...), I hope you're paying attention. I'm

placing my order now!!) ~ Filippa

> filikara wrote -

> <Dedy, do you make amazaki yourself or do you buy it? I've had it

in Japan at zen temples and such places - divine.... would love to

know how to make it!>

>

> ---Even if I knew how to make it I wouldn't dare as I find it

SOOOOO addictive... I can eat a jar-full in one sitting....then I go

into a blissful 'carb-coma'....

>

> my local healthfood shops have organic amazaki made just of rice,

or millet and koji culture, that's all!... both delicious... ..

mostly I stop and stare at the jars on the shelves, sigh, tell

myself off and leave... nobody in my family likes it so can't

share...

>

> Dedy

>

>

>

>

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Filippa,

found a few bits about Amazake [seems this is the official spelling as it means

sweet sake]

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/koji.html#Amasake - some instructions and this

bomb shell -- Amazake can contain a converted sugar content as high as 20 - 30%.

.... explains my carb-coma and addictive properties !!!

about Koji - http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/koji.html#Koji

both links are on Dom's site he of the kefir fame.

I'm surprised you can't find amazake down-under as there's a large Japanese

community in Oz... surely someone must import it or produce it locally?!

Dedy

Re: scat queen was the emperor's poop smells sweet

was floaters vs sinkers

OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh I envy you. I'm sure we can't get here in

Australia. (Joanne (wes@...), I hope you're paying attention. I'm

placing my order now!!) ~ Filippa

> filikara wrote -

> <Dedy, do you make amazaki yourself or do you buy it? I've had it

in Japan at zen temples and such places - divine.... would love to

know how to make it!>

>

> ---Even if I knew how to make it I wouldn't dare as I find it

SOOOOO addictive... I can eat a jar-full in one sitting....then I go

into a blissful 'carb-coma'....

>

> my local healthfood shops have organic amazaki made just of rice,

or millet and koji culture, that's all!... both delicious... ..

mostly I stop and stare at the jars on the shelves, sigh, tell

myself off and leave... nobody in my family likes it so can't

share...

>

> Dedy

>

>

>

>

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> OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh I envy you. I'm sure we can't get here in

> Australia. (Joanne (wes@...), I hope you're paying attention. I'm

> placing my order now!!) ~ Filippa

>

I'm on the look out too Filippa. Thanks for the inspiration Dedy, I'd never

heard of it before

Joanne

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" Rundle " <Dpdg@b...> wrote:

> Filippa,

> found a few bits about Amazake [seems this is the official

spelling as it means sweet sake]

Yes of course,how could I forget. 5 years out of Japan and my memory

is fading rapidly. pronounced " a-ma-za-keh " .

> http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/koji.html#Amasake - some

instructions and this bomb shell -- Amazake can contain a converted

sugar content as high as 20 - 30%. ... explains my carb-coma and

addictive properties !!!

> about Koji - http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/koji.html#Koji

So, is it bad for you? Or only if you want to eat low-carb.

> both links are on Dom's site he of the kefir fame.

>

> I'm surprised you can't find amazake down-under as there's a large

Japanese community in Oz... surely someone must import it or produce

it locally?!

>

> Dedy

Noted this on the site:

" My daughter who was born with " Shwachman-Diamond

Syndrome " , [pancreatic enzyme insufficiency as part of the

syndrome], use to crave amazake immensely. Amazake was her first

solid food, which I cultured from whole black glutinous rice,

because of the lack the traditional " sweet rice " [whole grain brown

glutinous rice] here in Australia. It helped her to gain weight at a

crucial time in her life. "

Is Dom in Australia then? Or is this someone else posting on his

site? I wonder where he/she got the koji culture from. I like the

idea of culturing the black rice (just LOVE black rice pudding).

Actually Dedy, I've never looked for it though I'm sure I would have

come across it in a health food shop as I have a habit of hanging

around in them and browsing. I'll have a look next time we go to

our Japanese grocer. Don't imagine it'll be a traditionally

fermented one though.

Just your mention of it sparked my memory of a beautiful wooden

temple hundreds of years old and sipping this divine sweet rice

drink! Mmmmmmmmmm

Filippa

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filikara wrote -

<< http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/koji.html#Amasake - some

instructions and this bomb shell -- Amazake can contain a converted sugar

content as high as 20 - 30%. ...So, is it bad for you? Or only if you want to

eat low-carb.>>

--- guess it's bad if you have problems with sugar [addiction and/or the isulin

metabolism]... if you make it into a sweet drink it is much more diluted.... if

like me, you like eating it as a pudding/dessert you might have problems...

<<Is Dom in Australia then? >

---- think he's in the US but will probably ship over or will know of someone

who does koji in Oz.

<<I'll have a look next time we go to our Japanese grocer. Don't imagine it'll

be a traditionally fermented one though.>>

---- it wouldn't be amazake if it wasn't fermented but it might be

pasteurised... no live enzymes... check THAT issue out when you find it.

Dedy

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> <<Is Dom in Australia then? >

He sure is. He lives in Adelaide.

Joanne

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hehe i used to live in adelaide before i moved to qld

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From: wes@... [mailto:wes@...]

Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 9:55 PM

Subject: Re: Re: scat queen was the emperor's poop smells

sweet was floaters vs sinkers

> <<Is Dom in Australia then? >

He sure is. He lives in Adelaide.

Joanne

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> hehe i used to live in adelaide before i moved to qld

>

Most queenslanders are from elsewhere aren't they? (I know Joanne's

a brizzy girl) ;-) Atleast that's the case on the Gold Coast

anyway! The classic introductory phrase when you meet someone on

the GC is " So where are you from originally then? " . It's very rare

to meet someone who says " I was born here " .

Filippa ;-)

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eheh yes very true.

though ive never actually met anyone local off the Board here yet.

as you mention most of them are not " close to home "

most people from australia ive spoken to from here hae been considerable

distance away from me.

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From: filikara [mailto:filippa91@...]

Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: scat queen was the emperor's poop smells

sweet was floaters vs sinkers

> hehe i used to live in adelaide before i moved to qld

>

Most queenslanders are from elsewhere aren't they? (I know Joanne's

a brizzy girl) ;-) Atleast that's the case on the Gold Coast

anyway! The classic introductory phrase when you meet someone on

the GC is " So where are you from originally then? " . It's very rare

to meet someone who says " I was born here " .

Filippa ;-)