RE: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.

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Minga, This is an all too common scenario I would bet. This letter/report needs to go to the district supervisor. While it may take awhile to affect your patient (IF it ever does), it puts the incident on notice AND it places a legal burden on that district to deal 1) with the interim principal ( WAY too callous, if it is was the last day of school) and 2) the bully and 3) the entire situation of bullying at that particular school. Good luck with the issue. SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: AboWoman@...Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:06:00 -0400Subject: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

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Minga,

What a nightmare for the kid and for you. I don't know if there is legal recourse, but this kind of inattention generally drives law suits. Can the child make a police report? Would that even help at this point or would it make the bullying worse when school or summer activities return?

Christian Mathisen, D.C.

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration whe n they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DCabowoman@...

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This is really irritating to hear this and to hear that the principle and those in charge are children themselves. Personally, I would get involved and contact the parents to talk about this. If they are ready to do something as well them I would right to as many authority figure around this school would and CC all of them so they all know they all got it and now what are they going to do about it and THIS LACK OF ACTION FROM THE PRINCIPLE. Then I would talk to the parents about sending one of these letters to the newspaper about this school as a CC as well describing everything you have said here and more. SEE it this opens some eyes and ears AND this brat of a kid REALLY needs a talking to by the police department to put a real scare into him... meaning a call to them as well after all the letters go out and

you see who response. Then I would send another stating who responded and who did not to point out how those that ignore this are just as responsible as those that did... I would shame them as well for not responding... This would probably all be done by the parent and orchestrated by your. ABUSE is not by just parents and it is everyone's obligation to get involved and turn this over to the same people that we would do so if it were a parent throwing there child to the floor injuring them. That is my two cents, now I need to cool off.

Doc Wiese

Eagle Point

Subject: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.To: oregondcs Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 12:06 PM

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily

bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers

or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DCabowoman@...

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Minga:

(1) I think you have a duty to report the child abuse/assault upon a minor. ORS Chapter 419B defines abuse to a minor to be any suspected criminal assault against a child or any injury caused by other than accidental means. There is no suggestion that only assaults upon children caused by adults need to be reported. (2) It sounds like allegedly the minor and others on his behalf have previously complained about the abuse/bullying, and the school district employees did nothing. Not only were they required to do something about the bullying/assaults, but they were also required, like you, to report it to law enforcement. I'd also write a letter to the school superintendant for the school district in which the student resides. (3) The school district also does have insurance (liability) which would cover this sort of injury. If the student had earlier complained of bullying, and especially if any of the previous instances were alleged to have been assaults that would have required the school employee to report and do something about the bullying, then the school violated a duty owed to the student. Duty, Breach of Duty, Harm Caused by the Breach are the 3 elements to a negligence cause of action.

G.

Gatti, Gatti, Maier, Sayer, Thayer, & Associates

1781 Liberty St. SE

Salem, OR 97302

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msmith@...

From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of AboWoman@...Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:06 PMTo: oregondcs Subject: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DCabowoman@...

[Guest guest]

HI Minga,I agree with Sunny and Christian. Yes, go to the District Supervisor; the Principal's handling of the situation is absolutely inappropriate. Also, yes a police report, by all means.When my son was in high school, his car was "keyed" ( long purposeful scratch mark) by a bully who had done it to other student's cars and also had beat up several students. My kids don't tell me the whole story but what I did hear is " took care of it; that guy never bothered anyone again at our school". Apparently my son laid him out with one well strategized punch or ?. I've heard similar scenarios frequently - the bullies only stop when someone frightens them enough or hurts them enough....usually I don't advocate force and your patient may need to learn martial arts.....I believe there is school insurance for such incidents and I'm not sure about Oregon.....Good luck!

Janet L Rueger, DCCertified in CraniopathyCertified BodyTalk Practitioner149 Clear Creek Dr., # 105Ashland, OR, 97520bodytalk@...

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

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Wow! Thanks for posting this info Mike. Good heads up for all of us. Larry L. Oliver, DC408 NW 7thCorvallis, ORfax www.heresco.com dro@... The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information which is confidential under applicable law and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, please notify Heresco Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:24 PMTo: AboWoman@...; oregondcs Subject: RE: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours. Minga: (1) I think you have a duty to report the child abuse/assault upon a minor. ORS Chapter 419B defines abuse to a minor to be any suspected criminal assault against a child or any injury caused by other than accidental means. There is no suggestion that only assaults upon children caused by adults need to be reported. (2) It sounds like allegedly the minor and others on his behalf have previously complained about the abuse/bullying, and the school district employees did nothing. Not only were they required to do something about the bullying/assaults, but they were also required, like you, to report it to law enforcement. I'd also write a letter to the school superintendant for the school district in which the student resides. (3) The school district also does have insurance (liability) which would cover this sort of injury. If the student had earlier complained of bullying, and especially if any of the previous instances were alleged to have been assaults that would have required the school employee to report and do something about the bullying, then the school violated a duty owed to the student. Duty, Breach of Duty, Harm Caused by the Breach are the 3 elements to a negligence cause of action. G. Gatti, Gatti, Maier, Sayer, Thayer, & Associates1781 Liberty St. SESalem, OR 973021- msmith@... From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of AboWoman@...Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:06 PMTo: oregondcs Subject: question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours. Hi All,Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, " NO Running! " and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) " Knock it off. " however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment. When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said " he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened. " When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, " If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself. " She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past. Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it. " I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number. Minga Guerrero DCabowoman@...

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yes, I agree. This was an eye opener. I had prev thought that we only had to report if it was an adult assaulting a minor. It makes more sense to view it as any assault.

thanks, Mike.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

question regarding students injured from bullying at school during school hours.

Hi All,

Have any of you ever treated a patient who's been bullied? In this case it's a middle school student (12 yr old male) who was injured at school during school hours in a bullying incident. The student was hurrying to class across a gym floor when a larger, older student (commonly known as a bully) came up from behind and pushed the smaller, younger student hard enough to knock him to his knees. The bully yelled, "NO Running!" and laughed as the patient fell.The 12 yr old skidded across the gym floor on his knees taking most of the skin off one knee and hurting his entire spine. The student states he couldn't get up for a few moments after the incident. He began shaking/trembling and his legs felt so weak he had to roll onto his side and lay there. ANother kid had an ipod and videoed the scene immed after the episode. Unfortunately not capturing the push and fall. The boy was afraid to go to teachers. He'd reported daily bullying to them and had experienced worse bullying. The teachers simply told the kids who pushed him into lockers daily, (kind of a sucker punch into the back, unanticipated, knocking him into lockers every day) "Knock it off." however, this prompted the bullys to escalate their punishment.

When I called the school to get information on insurance coverage, the principal told me her explanation was that the kids were 'joking around'. She said the kid who was injured needed to learn to advocate for himself better and come forward to authorities if he wanted help with the bullying. I asked the principal for an incident report and she said she'd have to get me one. It was her last day today. SHe was off for the summer. And she's an interium principal. She also said "he never even came to the office and reported it to me when it happened." When I questioned her further, she admitted it was the end of the school day and the boy did go home and tell his parents, who immediately called her. Still, she said, "If he expects help, he needs to learn to advocate for himself." She made this statement at least 3 times. I finally told her that it seemed normal for young kids to go to their parents when they're afraid to come to teachers or administration when they've been bullied without assistance in the past.

Any advice from anyone on the list would help. The principal refused to give me anyinsurnce info cause she said, 'It wouldn't cover it." I finally got her to give me a business person's name and number.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...