Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Really Raw honey is good; so is Honey Gardens. I like Really Raw the best, and theirs seems to have the most significant amount of crispy-chewy stuff accumulated at the top, which is where all the bees wax/royal jelly/proppolis, etc is. I don't use it in very large amounts. Taking a teaspoon with a meal seems to help digestion sometimes. Taking it after a workout makes sense, even by itself, because you need the quick energy, and it doesn't impact blood sugar/insulin, I've heard. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Oh, and the brand IS important, because most honeys that claim to be unheated or unpasteurized, like raw cheeses, are not truly raw, but just heated to a lower temperature than usual. Moreover, just because it's not pasteurized doesn't mean it wasn't heated during extraction or heated for 20 minutes to thin it out. You really need to contact the company. Don't ask them if they eat their honey, but ask them " what temperature do you heat your honey too? " Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 I wonder what the best source of honey is. I have 'unpasteurized' darkish honey but I use it extremely sparingly...occasioanlly postworkout if I crave it. I'd bet this honey probably contains few of the benefits the studies you've shown mention, though. There are a variety of biological honey's out there in health stores but I can't differentiate between the various kinds. What kind do you use, Chris? - > 1)Royal jelly promotes growth and reproductive capacity, which is found in > raw unfiltered honey, but not in white sugar... > > 2)There are apparently *some* high mineral content honeys... > > Chris > ____ > > 1)Ou Daigaku Shigakushi. 1989 Nov;16(3):113-6. Related Articles, Links > > > [Physiologically active substances in the oral excreta produced by honey > bee--effects of royal jelly on silkworm] > > [Article in Japanese] > > Saikatsu S, Ikeno K, Hanada Y, Ikeno T. > > The effect of royal jelly on the growth, development, weight of a cocoon and > the number of eggs of the silkworm, Bombyx mori, was tested by the use of > artificial diets. The growth and developmental speed of the silkworm were > quickened by addition of royal jelly. The number of eggs increased markedly by the > feeding of raw royal jelly but not of boiled royal jelly. > ___ > 2)In Database: Biological Abstracts 1994/01-1994/06 > Title: Mineral content of the honeys produced in Galicia (North-west Spain). > Author, Editor, Inventor: -Otero-J-L {a}; Paseiro-P; Simal-J; > Cepeda-A {a} > Author Address: {a} Dep. Q.A. Nutr. Bromatologia, Fac. Veterinaria, 27002 > Lugo, Spain > Source: Food-Chemistry. 1994; 49 (2) 169-171. > Publication Year: 1994 > Document Type: Article- > ISSN (International Standard Serial Number): 0308-8146 > Language: English > Abstract: Sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, manganese, > phosphorus (phosphate), chlorine (chloride), silicon (silica), sulphur > (sulphate), and ash contents of 91 samples of raw honey from Galicia (NW Spain) were > determined. The mean ash content was 0.408%. Potassium was the most abundant of > the elements determined, with an average content of 1572 mg/kg (38.5% of the > ash). All mineral contents showed high coefficients of variation, ranging from > 0.34 (sodium, calcium, and sulphur) to 0.71 (iron). In general, the Galician > honeys studies have high mineral contents in comparison with honeys reported in > the literature. > Abstract Indicator: Y > Major Concepts: Biochemistry-and-Molecular-Biophysics; Economic-Entomology; > Foods-; Methods-and-Techniques; Nutrition- > Super Taxa: Oleaceae-: Dicotyledones-, Angiospermae-, Spermatophyta-, Plantae- > Organisms: ash- (Oleaceae-) > Taxa Notes: angiosperms-; dicots-; plants-; spermatophytes-; vascular-plants > Miscellaneous Descriptors: APICULTURE-; FOOD-CHEMISTRY; FOOD-PRODUCTS; > METHODS-; SUGAR- > Accession Number: 199497073404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Well, from a purely weightlifting perspective, you WANT to spike insulin post-workout. So I figure if it does spike insulin, at least that insulin will go to building LBM and not fat mass. -paul > Really Raw honey is good; so is Honey Gardens. I like Really Raw the best, > and theirs seems to have the most significant amount of crispy-chewy stuff > accumulated at the top, which is where all the bees wax/royal jelly/proppolis, etc > is. > > I don't use it in very large amounts. Taking a teaspoon with a meal seems to > help digestion sometimes. > > Taking it after a workout makes sense, even by itself, because you need the > quick energy, and it doesn't impact blood sugar/insulin, I've heard. > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 In a message dated 10/9/03 3:18:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emailforerinn@... writes: > The honeys at health food stores usually are all heated, filtered > types, even though many of them are extremely dark and say " raw. " I'm > terribly allergic to that stuff. I mail order truely raw, unfiltered > honey, usually fermented and by the case. Don't know what I'd do > without it. My body just loves completely unrefined foods, especially > when they're then fermented. It's like black and white. I must be very lucky living in the area I do, because I'm pretty sure that *all* of the raw honeys at the health food stores *I* go to are not heated. One store *only* carries Really Raw and Honey Gardens, both of which are truly unheated, and another only caries Really Raw and a few local ones, which explicitly claim to never have been heated on the label. While I would NOT trust a company to be unheated just because they saw raw (and " unpasteurized " even LESS!), I'm surprised that folks can't find Really Raw in the health food store. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 , The honeys at health food stores usually are all heated, filtered types, even though many of them are extremely dark and say " raw. " I'm terribly allergic to that stuff. I mail order truely raw, unfiltered honey, usually fermented and by the case. Don't know what I'd do without it. My body just loves completely unrefined foods, especially when they're then fermented. It's like black and white. --n > > 1)Royal jelly promotes growth and reproductive capacity, which is > found in > > raw unfiltered honey, but not in white sugar... > > > > 2)There are apparently *some* high mineral content honeys... > > > > Chris > > ____ > > > > 1)Ou Daigaku Shigakushi. 1989 Nov;16(3):113-6. Related Articles, > Links > > > > > > [Physiologically active substances in the oral excreta produced by > honey > > bee--effects of royal jelly on silkworm] > > > > [Article in Japanese] > > > > Saikatsu S, Ikeno K, Hanada Y, Ikeno T. > > > > The effect of royal jelly on the growth, development, weight of a > cocoon and > > the number of eggs of the silkworm, Bombyx mori, was tested by the > use of > > artificial diets. The growth and developmental speed of the silkworm > were > > quickened by addition of royal jelly. The number of eggs increased > markedly by the > > feeding of raw royal jelly but not of boiled royal jelly. > > ___ > > 2)In Database: Biological Abstracts 1994/01-1994/06 > > Title: Mineral content of the honeys produced in Galicia > (North-west Spain). > > Author, Editor, Inventor: -Otero-J-L {a}; Paseiro-P; Simal-J; > > Cepeda-A {a} > > Author Address: {a} Dep. Q.A. Nutr. Bromatologia, Fac. Veterinaria, > 27002 > > Lugo, Spain > > Source: Food-Chemistry. 1994; 49 (2) 169-171. > > Publication Year: 1994 > > Document Type: Article- > > ISSN (International Standard Serial Number): 0308-8146 > > Language: English > > Abstract: Sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, > manganese, > > phosphorus (phosphate), chlorine (chloride), silicon (silica), sulphur > > (sulphate), and ash contents of 91 samples of raw honey from Galicia > (NW Spain) were > > determined. The mean ash content was 0.408%. Potassium was the most > abundant of > > the elements determined, with an average content of 1572 mg/kg > (38.5% of the > > ash). All mineral contents showed high coefficients of variation, > ranging from > > 0.34 (sodium, calcium, and sulphur) to 0.71 (iron). In general, the > Galician > > honeys studies have high mineral contents in comparison with honeys > reported in > > the literature. > > Abstract Indicator: Y > > Major Concepts: Biochemistry-and-Molecular-Biophysics; > Economic-Entomology; > > Foods-; Methods-and-Techniques; Nutrition- > > Super Taxa: Oleaceae-: Dicotyledones-, Angiospermae-, > Spermatophyta-, Plantae- > > Organisms: ash- (Oleaceae-) > > Taxa Notes: angiosperms-; dicots-; plants-; spermatophytes-; > vascular-plants > > Miscellaneous Descriptors: APICULTURE-; FOOD-CHEMISTRY; FOOD- PRODUCTS; > > METHODS-; SUGAR- > > Accession Number: 199497073404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 nothing like a good Mead! r n wrote: >, > >The honeys at health food stores usually are all heated, filtered >types, even though many of them are extremely dark and say " raw. " I'm >terribly allergic to that stuff. I mail order truely raw, unfiltered >honey, usually fermented and by the case. Don't know what I'd do >without it. My body just loves completely unrefined foods, especially >when they're then fermented. It's like black and white. > >--n --------------------------------------------- Yound Living Essential Oils and more. http://my.youngliving.com/starwulf/ ---- Kill the Ego, Lose your Mind, Use your Brain! -richard aka: StarWulf & k(no)w one http://www.geocities.com/i_starwulf/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Wow! Now that sounds like a health food store that really is a HEALTH food store! At least in their honey department anyway. I remember when I first looked at the honey department at my local HFS, they seemed to have a zillion different kinds, but, whether pitch black or pale yellow, they were completely smooth and clear. Yuck. I always hated honey till I tried the real stuff. Cloudy and chunky and, if it's the fermentable kind, fluffy too! Come to think of it, I read that Really Raw is expanding pretty rapidly, so maybe it won't be long till it's everywhere! We should take a cue from them and start a chain of stores called Honestly Healthy Food. --n > In a message dated 10/9/03 3:18:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > emailforerinn@a... writes: > > > The honeys at health food stores usually are all heated, filtered > > types, even though many of them are extremely dark and say " raw. " I'm > > terribly allergic to that stuff. I mail order truely raw, unfiltered > > honey, usually fermented and by the case. Don't know what I'd do > > without it. My body just loves completely unrefined foods, especially > > when they're then fermented. It's like black and white. > > I must be very lucky living in the area I do, because I'm pretty sure that > *all* of the raw honeys at the health food stores *I* go to are not heated. One > store *only* carries Really Raw and Honey Gardens, both of which are truly > unheated, and another only caries Really Raw and a few local ones, which > explicitly claim to never have been heated on the label. > > While I would NOT trust a company to be unheated just because they saw raw > (and " unpasteurized " even LESS!), I'm surprised that folks can't find Really Raw > in the health food store. > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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