Re: bloating-- q for heidi or others

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In a message dated 10/9/03 5:12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Sounds like she has some major gut permeability issues. In cases like

> this, I can't recommend BTVC enough. (I know, I sound like a broken

record.)

I have it, I'm not sure I'll get her to read it, but I will try to get her to

follow the basic idea until symptoms go away.

Chris

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Heidi,

Thanks for the info. I'll pass it along to the mum.

I didn't catch the article on hormones apparently. I'll search the archives

for it later.

Thanks,

Chris

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Chris-

Sounds like she has some major gut permeability issues. In cases like

this, I can't recommend BTVC enough. (I know, I sound like a broken record.)

>Both sound very symptomatic of gluten intolerance to me, but get this-- she

>primarily reacts to MEAT, and seems NOT to react to BREAD!

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>Both sound very symptomatic of gluten intolerance to me, but get this-- she

>primarily reacts to MEAT, and seems NOT to react to BREAD!

>

>Does anyone have any idea what this could be? Could it still be a gluten

>problem despite the lack of specificity in that direction?

Yes, it could. Remember what someone was saying about cow stomachs being smooth

on a grain diet? That's basically what happens in human guts when they react to

gluten, the lining starts going smooth. And the digestion is horrid, so

hard-to-digest stuff causes bloating. And enzymes don't get produced. A lot of

people end up not being able to digest fats or meats (so of course they eat more

simple foods, like bread!!!). I always got sick off fatty meals, threw up even

-- now I hoard the fat off steaks. But it took a year or so to heal to that

point.

Also the typical gluten reaction takes 2 hours to 4 DAYS to show up, so it's

really difficult to make the connection. It took me 2 years to figure it out!

But some people DO have an IgA reaction to other proteins besides gluten, and

the symptoms are basically the same, it is thought (not as much study for other

proteins). Never heard of one to beef though. From an adaptive point of view,

that would be odd. Eggs and milk are pretty common, and corn and soy.

>Some other info that may or may not be relevant:

>

>About a month ago she got some sort of food poisoning (at least that was

>assumed, but not tested or proven in any way) where for a few days she was

bloated

>constantly with funny rumbling in her tummy. She believed this was from

>eating shrimp at a restaurant.

If she is gluten intolerant, she will have lots of bouts of " food poisoning " --

which may or may not have been from the food. I used to get it all the time. I

think it WAS a bacterial overgrowth, but whether it was because I had low

stomach acid, or didn't digest the food properly, or had bad biotics in the

first place I don't know. I.e. even if the shrimp WERE bad, they may not have

affected her if her gut flora and stomach acids and enzymes were ok.

>Her hormones are totally out of whack, topical progesterone is only offering

>her moderate relief, and she has an inverse period-- bleeding about 25 days a

>month.

Did you read the link I posted a few days ago? There are a mess of symptoms

listed there. Hormone problems are common. So are thyroid problems.

>She's been eating less bagels lately, but plenty of homemade cookies (white

>flour, sugar) and plenty of other crap.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions,

Only my standard -- go off ALL gluten for a week. Easier said than done, most

people go ballistic when you suggest it. It's easier to get them to " go on

Atkins " , which is a lot more restrictive, or on a purge or some such. Even if

it isn't the root problem (though statisically it's a good bet, about 1 in 5

people react to a degree that shows up on a blood test), gluten is really hard

on the digestive tract. Now with my family I just swapped cookies --- the cookie

jar is still full but it's full of sorghum cookies -- and they didn't complain,

or notice. So if she is eating storebought cookies, you could be sneaky and get

some storebought gluten free ones -- just switch junk food suppliers for awhile.

Switch pastas too (Tinkyada is good, some of the others are NOT). If she starts

feeling better she'll likely cut down on junk food, esp. if she starts digesting

fats/meat properly.

-- Heidi

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>>>>But some people DO have an IgA reaction to other proteins besides

gluten, and the symptoms are basically the same, it is thought (not as much

study for other proteins). Never heard of one to beef though. From an

adaptive point of view, that would be odd.

---->i'm way behind so maybe this has already been mentioned, but i believe

bovine plasma is or was often used as a carrier or something for certain

vaccines. i've read that this could lead to an immune response to beef.

apparently, beef allergy is one of the most common for *dogs* of all things.

how " natural " is that? they evolved on red meat. so there must be something

else at play causing an immune reaction to beef.

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>beef allergy is one of the most common for *dogs* of all things.

>how " natural " is that? they evolved on red meat. so there must be something

>else at play causing an immune reaction to beef.

I agree! Beef allergy just does not make sense.

Of course a lot of the hamburger you buy is old dairy cows,

and they have a lot of stuff in them besides beef ...

-- Heidi

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Jo-

_Breaking The Vicious Cycle_, a book written by Elaine Gottschall about

curing all forms of bowel disease through diet.

>Sorry if this has been asked and answered before I

>read this, but what's BTVC?

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