Re: Reintroducing myself again

[Guest guest]

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> I managed to get some true essential oil of sambac, grandiflorum and

auriculatum - a lot of fun though a lot of mess and labor. Managed to get an

essential oil tuberose as well which is... frankly... deadly tuberose.

>

Hi Mr. P...

Outstanding....!

I have heard that the existence of these EOs, in this case the Jasmines,

is possible, but have never seen anything commercially available...Has

always been enfleurage, absolute, or some other solvent extraction

method...And of course, folks have taken a shot at tincturing the flowers...

One of the issues of EOs, as a class of essence, has always been the

" life " of the EO...If you have any of these left, have you noticed any

changes to them with the passage of time....?

Welcome Back...!

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W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Mr. P...

>

> Outstanding....!

>

> I have heard that the existence of these EOs, in this case the Jasmines,

> is possible, but have never seen anything commercially available...Has

> always been enfleurage, absolute, or some other solvent extraction

> method...And of course, folks have taken a shot at tincturing the flowers...

>

> One of the issues of EOs, as a class of essence, has always been the

> " life " of the EO...If you have any of these left, have you noticed any

> changes to them with the passage of time....?

>

> Welcome Back...!

>

> --

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> A.J.P. (GIA)

> http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

>

Thanks .

They were distilled from concrete, not fresh flowers - no jasmine fields here

sadly.

They have been improving in aroma with time so far (losing some edginess or

still notes i guess). I prefer them to the absolutes (which of course can be

wonderful). The absolute oils (unlikely though it sounds) smell less like the

flowers than the distillates. I was expecting thermal degradation and poor or

dull aromas based on the what i had read in a few popular essential oil books

but that turned out to be untrue.

The closest match to any of the distilled oils that is commercialy available is

the CO2 extract of sambac from China carried by WLA (the CO2 extracts of

concrete smell duller to me, comparabe to absolutes). This emphasizes certain

aspects of the scent of sambac flowers that are also emphasized in the sambac i

distilled.

I kept a bunch but sold most of what I made in order to keep it revenue-neutral.

Had to keep some of course to study, appreciate and allow to age.

I put some in very oxygen rich environments (tester vials with a drop, high surf

a exposure) as an experiment, the rest of course in full bottles in the dark.

The highly oxidized stuff changed moderately fast - the sambac went downhill

fastest and became rather acidic and sour after abut 5 months. The deliberately

oxidized grandiflorum held up well - softened a bit, has settled down into

something more like the aroma of an absolute.

Thanks for asking. It was a fun but messy and (I discovered) kind of dangerous

project.

[Guest guest]

Hi Beta S, it's nice to have you back. I remember when you were

playing with distilling the concretes, and I found it very

exciting. I wish you could blog about the experience. Perhaps

just gather the stuff you've published here and share it with the

world? ;-)

Anya McCoy

http://AnyasGarden.com

http://PerfumeClasses.com

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Beta S, it's nice to have you back. I remember when you were

> playing with distilling the concretes, and I found it very

> exciting. I wish you could blog about the experience. Perhaps

> just gather the stuff you've published here and share it with the

> world? ;-)

>

That's an interesting idea. Might be a pretty short blog...

It was worth the time for sure.

I have sampled the ruhs (fresh flower distillates) of sambac and grandiflorum

from white lotus's recent batch. The differences are pretty striking, though I

guess I

shouldn't be surprised.

I'll have to dig back and see if anyone here shared their impressions of those

WLA ruhs (though if anyone wants to share their reaction now I'd be interested).

[Guest guest]

Managed to get an essential oil tuberose as well which is... frankly... deadly

tuberose.

So nice to meet you Mr. P.

" ..........deadly tuberose? " Could you explain please?

Also, how much like rose does tuberose smell? or is it more of an earthy

scent with a hint of rose?

Or perhaps no rose scent to speak of ? In your experience this is a middle

note ?

Thank you....

Carole

[Guest guest]

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> Also, how much like rose does tuberose smell? or is it more of an earthy

scent with a hint of rose?

> Or perhaps no rose scent to speak of ? In your experience this is a middle

note ?

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>

> Thank you....

>

> Carole

>

Tuberose is in the lilly family - no relation to rose in any sense.

Hard to classify it as a particular note. It is not especially long lasting,

but it has such a high impact that it will likely influence the aroma of the top

and middle of any blend it is in.

Its smell... I don't know - maybe you should get a sample from someone. It is

very intense, heavy narcotic floral, green, pungent, a hint of methyl salicylate

(wintergreen) - strange dense aroma. To me, very much a rough material and not

charming at all by itself.

I was joking when I said " deadly " but what i meant is that this distilled oil is

just so intensely concentrated it is almost unbearable unless diluted (i find

tuberose absolute to be unbearably intense in pure form, and this is about 3

times " louder " ).

Nice to meet you too,