Chris/n /Alkaline Reduced water

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I do not understand the terminology you have used. But I will do some

research to understand what your on about. However I do have a challenge for

you that I am sure your up for. See if you can make any sense out of this

information found here:

http://www.water4u.net/tech/tech.html

From my understanding you seem to suggest any health benefits from such

devices might not come from the alkaline so much as the water size. From my

understanding this is also the claim that the ionize water manufactures

people make. Saying that the water size hydrates the body more.

see here: "

Traditionally we have judged the properties of water from the standpoint of

pH, in other words whether water is acidic or alkaline. According to Dr.

Yoshiaki Matsuo PhD., a contributing the inventor of the ionfarms WATER

IONIZER unit, " In my opinion, redox potential is more important than pH. The

importance of pH is over emphasized. For example, the average pH of blood is

7.4 and acidosis or alkalosis are defined according to deviation within the

range of 7.4 +- 0.005. But nothing has been discussed about ORP, or

oxidation-reduction potential. "  

The pH of tap water is about pH 7, or neutral. When tap water is

electrolyzed into ionfarms WATER IONIZER, its reduced water has a pH of

about 9 and the oxidized water a pH of about 4. Even if you make alkaline

water of pH 9 by adding sodium hydroxide or make acidic water of pH 3 by

adding hydrogen chloride, you will find very little change in the ORP values

of the two waters. On the other hand, when you divide tap water with

electrolysis you can see the ORP fluctuate by as much as +- 1,000 mV. By

electrolysis we can obtain reduced water with negative potential that is

good for the body "

n

There is some difference in claims from your site recommendations and that

of the water ionize manufactures claims. I point to the claim from Natural

Plus plus:

" The flow-through alkalizes produce water that is still positively charged

at around +50mv. The flow-through systems just do not process the water long

enough for it to be medicinally useful. Why buy a shoddy substitute that

doesn¹t produce the desired results? "

However both the manufactures of the flow through types claim that the flow

through filter output reduced water at -250mv to -350mv and oxidized water

at +700mv to +800mv while everyone seems to agree that tap water is +400mv

So you see the conflict. Who is right?

n/Chris

Many people selling such devices seem to suggest many health benefits have

been noticed by those using them. Since they are not widely known/used in

the north, I have no idea but am interested to see what others have found by

actually using them and if there research claims hold water (pardon the

pun).

n have you tried both units in practice with any results?

Thank you both for your participation with this topic

Regards

Steve

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In a message dated 10/1/03 9:57:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

STEVEN.CARROLL@... writes:

> However I do have a challenge for

> you that I am sure your up for. See if you can make any sense out of this

> information found here:

>

> http://www.water4u.net/tech/tech.html

This article seemed a lot more sensible than the other stuff you posted. The

idea that pH is important is a certain crock of crap in my eyes, but the

stuff about reduction potential, and probably water size too, seems to make

sense.

I really don't understand how they can say water has a certain reduction

potential, given that what's in the water could react with a variety of

different

things in either oxidation or reduction reactions. But apparently they are

measuring it as some sort of average. I wonder how closely, then, this

approximates the reduction potential in the body, rather than in a lab.

Nevertheless, if people are getting great results with it, as is claimed,

it's probably a good thing.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> n,

>

> There is some difference in claims from your site recommendations

and that

> of the water ionize manufactures claims.

=======> Since it's not my site, I don't know any more about it than

you do, possibly less even, as I don't remember all the data I've

read on it, plus I may not have had time to research it that

thoroughly to begin with, so you'd need to ask the person who's site

it is.<===

I point to the claim from Natural

> Plus plus:

>

> " The flow-through alkalizes produce water that is still positively

charged

> at around +50mv. The flow-through systems just do not process the

water long

> enough for it to be medicinally useful. Why buy a shoddy substitute

that

> doesn¹t produce the desired results? "

>

> However both the manufactures of the flow through types claim that

the flow

> through filter output reduced water at -250mv to -350mv and

oxidized water

> at +700mv to +800mv while everyone seems to agree that tap water is

+400mv

>

> So you see the conflict. Who is right?

>

=======> I see what you mean! That certainly should be pointed out to

the author of each site, and I'd be curious to hear their reply.<===

>

> n/Chris

>

> Many people selling such devices seem to suggest many health

benefits have

> been noticed by those using them. Since they are not widely

known/used in

> the north, I have no idea but am interested to see what others have

found by

> actually using them and if there research claims hold water (pardon

the

> pun).

>

> n have you tried both units in practice with any results?

>

=======> Have not tried flow-through and don't know anyone who has. I

know someone who noticed that there's no smell to their BMs whenever

they drink the water, and when they don't drink it, there is. When I

first was drinking it, it was detoxing mercury so much that a fishy

taste would be discharged from my mouth a moment after taking a

swallow. (For someone I know who had worked with chemical solvents,

the taste was bitter.) What then happened was I had this

uncharacteristically super-rough period (time of month when woman's

body is in detox mode) where I suddenly craved it so desparately that

about a gallon a day of the stuff felt like it barely kept me from

dying of thirst! (At this point, I had worked through the detox taste

stage, and the water was now tasting like I always thought water

should taste. It seemed like the most wonderful and thirst-quenching

drink I'd ever had!) It was really cool. It fixed a low energy

problem I had. A friend of mine started drinking it and a pin hole

appeared in the skin over a giant lump on the back of the neck (that

had been there " forever " ), out

through which could be squeezed the stinking orangish white ointment-

consistancy contents, a bit more each day, till it was gone! So it's

basically a chelator that gets bad disease-causing stuff out of the

body. But remember the body needs to have enough food nutrients,

especially when detoxing. And those who can't aford a machine can

drink kombucha. Just make sure it's good kombucha.<===

>

> Thank you both for your participation with this topic

>

> Regards

>

> Steve